Minor League Call Ups and Send Downs

[rickpersak]

I'm just wondering how soon you guys all call up your minor league prospects and if calling them up too soon can be a negative thing?

Also, will sending a younger guy (say 24 or 25) back down to the minors negatively impact his attributes?

Thanks,

[Rmiok222]

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It messes with their morale typically, which brings their overall down a couple points. I usually wait to call up a prospect until I have a MLB injury, or when a have an expendable MLB player playing poorly I’ll call up a prospect to replace them.


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[MightyMaxxx13]

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I find anything before they reach ~70 overall tends to be a bit premature, and yes if you call them up too early it can screw with their development if they don’t perform. That being said, they also progress a lot faster if they do perform in the majors. If its a top prospect, I’d definitely say call them up when they’re ready and not just to fill a spot for a few weeks while someone is injured.

Also, if you know you are going to call a guy up mid-season I’d sign him to an MLB contract in the offseason (~570-580k). They will take a major morale hit if you call them up while theyre still making $60,000.

[rickpersak]

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Great, thanks for the quick responses guys! Another question I have is when does age typically start playing a factor in attribute regression?

I know in Madden it starts to hit HARD after age 29 but playing baseball vs. football is obviously different and you often see players playing into their mid-30's very productively.

That was another reason I asked the original question. If I see a prospect in the draft who's 22, looks like he'll be a stud, but wont be MLB ready for 4 or 5 years I would hate to draft him and only have him be a star for 4 or 5 years before regression starts to hit.

[MightyMaxxx13]

Re: Minor League Call Ups and Send Downs

Great, thanks for the quick responses guys! Another question I have is when does age typically start playing a factor in attribute regression?

I know in Madden it starts to hit HARD after age 29 but playing baseball vs. football is obviously different and you often see players playing into their mid-30's very productively.

That was another reason I asked the original question. If I see a prospect in the draft who's 22, looks like he'll be a stud, but wont be MLB ready for 4 or 5 years I would hate to draft him and only have him be a star for 4 or 5 years before regression starts to hit.

From my observation it looks like guys progress normally through age 27, then slowly from 28-29, level off from 30-33 then start to regress hard at 34.

[TripleCrown]

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Little story I posted months ago ...


Wanted to share something about morale in my franchise I found funny after all.

I’m in a Blue Jays franchise. I have a really good pitching prospect in Borucki who’s expectation was to be an Ace. So all first year in my franchise he was pissed off of not being an ace ( 1st starter in rotation) and had a big drop on his overall ( and spent most of the year in AAA).

The guy progressed pretty well ( he’s a B close to A). When he showed up in 2nd year training camp, his expection dropped to “Being part of Rotation”, a spot he earned. So now on my 2nd year, this guy is an 80 ovr all and he’s happy like an 81 :-)

Don’t know why and how that changed but found it funny. I was like, “hey kid, get back down to earth”. Loll

[Funkycorm]

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I don't call any prospect up until they are at least 78 overall and/or are rule 5 draft eligible and they are a piece of my future. I do a fair bit of simming and I would rather have a low 60s career minor leaguer be called up than lose some team control on a player to cover an injury.

Usually at 23-24 is when most players will get called up by me.

[kinsmen7]

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I don't call any prospect up until they are at least 78 overall and/or are rule 5 draft eligible and they are a piece of my future. I do a fair bit of simming and I would rather have a low 60s career minor leaguer be called up than lose some team control on a player to cover an injury.

Usually at 23-24 is when most players will get called up by me.

It's service-time manipulating GM's like you that are going to cause the next walkout/lockout!!!

[rickpersak]

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Players don't have that "Morale" tab unlocked until they've been in the MLB right? All of my prospects that are stiill in AA and AAA don't have that option to look at it.

[Funkycorm]

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Players don't have that "Morale" tab unlocked until they've been in the MLB right? All of my prospects that are stiill in AA and AAA don't have that option to look at it.

Correct once they have touched the Majors and have service time.

[Funkycorm]

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It's service-time manipulating GM's like you that are going to cause the next walkout/lockout!!!

Lol.

To be fair though I don't typically don't September call ups so I don't try to manipulate. You know too much...

[Caulfield]

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I find anything before they reach ~70 overall tends to be a bit premature, and yes if you call them up too early it can screw with their development if they don’t perform. That being said, they also progress a lot faster if they do perform in the majors. If its a top prospect, I’d definitely say call them up when they’re ready and not just to fill a spot for a few weeks while someone is injured.

Also, if you know you are going to call a guy up mid-season I’d sign him to an MLB contract in the offseason (~570-580k). They will take a major morale hit if you call them up while theyre still making $60,000.

I'd go as low as 65 but it would have to be a special case to go lower

[tessl]

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I'm just wondering how soon you guys all call up your minor league prospects and if calling them up too soon can be a negative thing?

Also, will sending a younger guy (say 24 or 25) back down to the minors negatively impact his attributes?

Thanks,

I doubt it would impact a prospect but some players in you look at morale will be negatively impacted by being in the minors.

I suspect if you call them up and don't play them it could stunt their progression because the won't accumulate many stats.

[moTIGS]

Re: Minor League Call Ups and Send Downs

Great, thanks for the quick responses guys! Another question I have is when does age typically start playing a factor in attribute regression?

I know in Madden it starts to hit HARD after age 29 but playing baseball vs. football is obviously different and you often see players playing into their mid-30's very productively.

That was another reason I asked the original question. If I see a prospect in the draft who's 22, looks like he'll be a stud, but wont be MLB ready for 4 or 5 years I would hate to draft him and only have him be a star for 4 or 5 years before regression starts to hit.

With those older prospects who are years away from being in the majors, I’ll often edit their ages down a few years to get around that. Especially after the first couple seasons, there are a lot of draft prospects who are 22-25 years old but have overalls in the 50s. Makes much more sense for them to be 18-19 IMO. At least then they might reasonably progress to the point that they’re MLB-ready before they hit 30 years old.

Some consider that a bit cheesy, I’m sure, but I consider if fixing a flaw in the game. Often prospects don’t enter the draft and are available in the following year’s draft class. They’re one year older but identical otherwise. They don’t get better by waiting. This strikes me as very unrealistic (as does the mere existence of a 25-year-old draftee).

[Therebelyell626]

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With those older prospects who are years away from being in the majors, I’ll often edit their ages down a few years to get around that. Especially after the first couple seasons, there are a lot of draft prospects who are 22-25 years old but have overalls in the 50s. Makes much more sense for them to be 18-19 IMO. At least then they might reasonably progress to the point that they’re MLB-ready before they hit 30 years old.

Some consider that a bit cheesy, I’m sure, but I consider if fixing a flaw in the game. Often prospects don’t enter the draft and are available in the following year’s draft class. They’re one year older but identical otherwise. They don’t get better by waiting. This strikes me as very unrealistic (as does the mere existence of a 25-year-old draftee).

You've seen one 25 years old?!?! That's crazy. I have never seen one over 23