AI Bullpen usage logic is the worst

[DarthRambo]

I started a franchise and decided to just play one random game per calendar day to start. As I hit late April in my season, playing with and against a bunch of teams already I noticed one common major flaw.

As I look at the bullpens of every team, the setup guys have pitched 2-5 innings, while long relief guys and middle guys wo are much lower overall have pitched 3-5x the amount of innings.

When playing a game the AI will bring in the LRP nearly every game regardless of score. They refuse to bring in their setup, 7th and 8th inning guys unless they are ahead. If the game is tied or they are down by just even one run they will bring in some scrub to pitch the 7th or 8th, or even 9th if losing or tied.

This is completely flawed and unrealistic. I know that irl these setup guys will pitch nearly every other day. I brought in Hembree for the Red Sox and in late April, it was only his second appearance!

The only way to remedy this is to do what I do. Switch sides on controller to manage the bullpen for the AI. It helps but kind of annoying. That really difficult at least.

I mean, I much rather see Hembree pitch the 8th inning of a tie game, who I manually brought in for the AI. Whereas they seriously were going to bring in Brandon freaking Workman. Who btw, energy half depleted probably because they pitch him every game.

I noticed it being a problem before but this year's game is the worst I've seen it. It really is an immersive killer when late in games the AI fumbles their bullpen logic in a tight game.

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[knich1]

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I started a franchise and decided to just play one random game per calendar day to start. As I hit late April in my season, playing with and against a bunch of teams already I noticed one common major flaw.

As I look at the bullpens of every team, the setup guys have pitched 2-5 innings, while long relief guys and middle guys wo are much lower overall have pitched 3-5x the amount of innings.

When playing a game the AI will bring in the LRP nearly every game regardless of score. They refuse to bring in their setup, 7th and 8th inning guys unless they are ahead. If the game is tied or they are down by just even one run they will bring in some scrub to pitch the 7th or 8th, or even 9th if losing or tied.

This is completely flawed and unrealistic. I know that irl these setup guys will pitch nearly every other day. I brought in Hembree for the Red Sox and in late April, it was only his second appearance!

The only way to remedy this is to do what I do. Switch sides on controller to manage the bullpen for the AI. It helps but kind of annoying. That really difficult at least.

I mean, I much rather see Hembree pitch the 8th inning of a tie game, who I manually brought in for the AI. Whereas they seriously were going to bring in Brandon freaking Workman. Who btw, energy half depleted probably because they pitch him every game.

I noticed it being a problem before but this year's game is the worst I've seen it. It really is an immersive killer when late in games the AI fumbles their bullpen logic in a tight game.

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It is a problem that I hope SDS fixes. The CPU finally brought in the CP in a non-save situation in 9th in my game. This was first fime two months in to season. I think the biggest problem is the SU slots not being used properly by CPU.

[DarthRambo]

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It is a problem that I hope SDS fixes. The CPU finally brought in the CP in a non-save situation in 9th in my game. This was first fime two months in to season. I think the biggest problem is the SU slots not being used properly by CPU.

Yes, I agree that it is mainly the SU and CP roles that aren't used properly. And I've never seen the AI bring in the closer in the 9th in a non save situation.

It really kills the immersion when in a game, especially close games. And to make matters worse, they are doing the same crap in simmed games if you look at box scores. Idk if this is something they can patch or not, but man I would scream with joy if it was.

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[Lilly Of The Valley]

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Yes, I agree that it is mainly the SU and CP roles that aren't used properly. And I've never seen the AI bring in the closer in the 9th in a non save situation.

It really kills the immersion when in a game, especially close games. And to make matters worse, they are doing the same crap in simmed games if you look at box scores. Idk if this is something they can patch or not, but man I would scream with joy if it was.

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Have ZERO Set-up Men.
4-MR
2-LRP
Put best 2-MR, @ MR slot #1,2.
They will mow be used properly (Holds).
Put 3rd best MR @ LRP # 1 Slot.

[Guys_WhoGame]

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Have ZERO Set-up Men.
4-MR
2-LRP
Put best 2-MR, @ MR slot #1,2.
They will mow be used properly (Holds).
Put 3rd best MR @ LRP # 1 Slot.

What would the set up be for a 8 man bullpen?

[boxers]

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Are there any differences when you change reliever stamina and/or manager hook? I have reliever stamina at 4 and I have definitely seen the closer come in non-save situations but this could be coincidence (rather than sliders).

[JDL375]

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I just played a 3 game series against Baltimore, and I believe they brought in the same reliever 3 games in a row and he pitched at least 3 innings in every game. His energy red-lined but he was somehow hitting his spots perfectly.

lol

[JHodges57]

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I just played a 3 game series against Baltimore, and I believe they brought in the same reliever 3 games in a row and he pitched at least 3 innings in every game. His energy red-lined but he was somehow hitting his spots perfectly.

lol

I don't think the tired factor really has as much impact as it should and the confidence factor is really overpowered. I've seen pitchers who are completely tired go 3 innings more without any problems. Confidence was way up though. IMO, I don't care how confident you are, once a person is exhausted, they don't perform as well.

[BatsareBugs]

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There is no consequence for letting a pitcher's energy drain out. The only time I've ever seen something like that was ASB 2002 where if a player's energy was completely drained, it was only a matter of time before they injured something.

[DarthRambo]

Re: AI Bullpen usage logic is the worst

Have ZERO Set-up Men.
4-MR
2-LRP
Put best 2-MR, @ MR slot #1,2.
They will mow be used properly (Holds).
Put 3rd best MR @ LRP # 1 Slot.

I will try this when I get home. If this fixes it, then I will be thrilled. Thanks for the tip!!

I just played a 3 game series against Baltimore, and I believe they brought in the same reliever 3 games in a row and he pitched at least 3 innings in every game. His energy red-lined but he was somehow hitting his spots perfectly.

lol

Yeah this is the crap they do that really bothers me. It's honestly damn near kills the game for me. It certainly kills a lot of the immersion within a game. Especially when it's a tight game late innings. What kind of feeling will I have when it's the playoffs and the AI are blowing games cause of this? I'm not going to feel like I earned my World Series win if this bullpen logic isn't fixed.

That's honestly what bothers me most. I want to earn my wins, not have them handed to me cause they wanna leave a pitcher in for 3 innings of relief in a tie ball game.



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[Hellquist]

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I don't think they tired factor really has as much impact as it should and the confidence factor is really overpowered. I've seen pitchers who are completely tired go 3 innings more without any problems. Confidence was way up though. IMO, I don't care how confident you are, once a person is exhausted, they don't perform as well.

This 1000000000000000000000000000000%

I was going to make a thread about this very thing, but this is the #1 pet peeve I have with the last iterations of this game. The AI bullpen logic needs to change in 2020. Seems like energy affects nothing. Confidence seems to be the only factor in performance. It doesn't matter if the energy is gone, the confidence up? He will pitch as long as the AI decides to take him out. It's irritating.

You are spot on with the being exhausted part. The confidence thing is so stupid and a bit illogical. If my arm is weak because the AI decided to have the pitcher throw 150 pitches (just throwing out a number) because his confidence is at 90% in the 4th inning, it has to have some affect, but not on this game. I know what I just typed is exaggerated, but you get what I am saying. It's illogical and unrealistic.

[JHodges57]

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This 1000000000000000000000000000000%

I was going to make a thread about this very thing, but this is the #1 pet peeve I have with the last iterations of this game. The AI bullpen logic needs to change in 2020. Seems like energy affects nothing. Confidence seems to be the only factor in performance. It doesn't matter if the energy is gone, the confidence up? He will pitch as long as the AI decides to take him out. It's irritating.

You are spot on with the being exhausted part. The confidence thing is so stupid and a bit illogical. If my arm is weak because the AI decided to have the pitcher throw 150 pitches (just throwing out a number) because his confidence is at 90% in the 4th inning, it has to have some affect, but not on this game. I know what I just typed is exaggerated, but you get what I am saying. It's illogical and unrealistic.

On the other side of the coin, if their energy is 100% and their confidence is 0 they will get shelled. So, it does support the idea that the ONLY factor is the confidence.

[Caulfield]

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I just wish there were 29 separate (& very different) A.I.'s, I dont much like it that it feels like the same mgr. is running every team

[i am the messenger]

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Well they are busy putting out a 2005 throwback Orioles Sammy Sosa card in Diamond Dynasty so this is going to have to wait until the PS5 comes out.

[Brewers 15]

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Well they are busy putting out a 2005 throwback Orioles Sammy Sosa card in Diamond Dynasty so this is going to have to wait until the PS5 comes out.

Oh so true !!