AI Bullpen usage logic is the worst

[bigmike0077]

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is it safe to assume this wont be fixed this year?

Im a franchise guy and i play most games- Kinda kills the immersion for me

[Lilly Of The Valley]

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is it safe to assume this wont be fixed this year?

Im a franchise guy and i play most games- Kinda kills the immersion for me

I don't think they will ever fix it.

[Mephiskapheles]

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Yes, the 3rd or 4th best, MRP

should go in LR-Slot # 2.



I do not see them fixing anything.

Best thing to do is quick manage

each game you do not play.

Simulate Fwd. to 3rd, 5th, and 7th Inning(s).



This way, you can manage the

LRP usage, in blow-outs. I also manage the 8th Inning, for the winning team if game is close, to get proper L vs R match-ups.



I basically play this game like a text SIM.

I honestly, rarely even play the actual game,

except Retro Mode on Beginner level.

Just so I understand, it looks like this in order of best relievers

MR 1 (setup)
MR 2 (setup)

Then after those

LR 1
LR 2
LR 3
MR 3
MR 4

When not winning, the CPU uses LR 1-3 first correct? Is that why we’re doing this this way?


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[Hellquist]

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I am doing my Dodgers franchise now. My very first series against the Diamondbacks, the AI is killing their bullpen. I manage my bullpen pretty damn well, so my relievers have like 80% energy, but the AI? They are half dead, so because of their incompetence, I am getting free hits and runs because they are stupid for having their relievers in too long.

For the first time ever, I do not have a large bullpen. I typically have a lot of relievers and "two closers." I have Eric Gagne and Kenley Jansen as my closers. My bullpen is basically Joe Kelly, Caleb Ferguson, Pedro Baez and Julio Urias. They are super fresh, while the Diamondbacks who have more relievers can barely pitch because they are in so long and have no little to no energy.

The bullpen logic and the slow as molasses fielding are the worst things abou this game.

[Caulfield]

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Wont do much good for those already playing on Legend but when you get into the other teams bullpen, has anybody bumped the setting up to the next level to see how you fare? I play on dynamic so I cant but I probably have less issues with other teams bullpen mgmt. than some people are seeing

[The Kid 24]

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Wont do much good for those already playing on Legend but when you get into the other teams bullpen, has anybody bumped the setting up to the next level to see how you fare? I play on dynamic so I cant but I probably have less issues with other teams bullpen mgmt. than some people are seeing

I doubt difficulty level has anything to do with it.

[Caulfield]

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I doubt difficulty level has anything to do with it.

I was just thinking that on a harder difficulty relievers would deserve to be pitching longer and not just be in there because of bad a.i. But really it probably just opens up another can of worms worse than the original problem :shrug:

[NYJin2011tm]

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AI BP usage must be managed by the Mets manager!

[Caulfield]

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AI BP usage must be managed by the Mets manager!

oh remember, they fixed that. it was Eiland's fault. Octogenarian to the rescue! lmao

[tytyboogie]

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Just so I understand, it looks like this in order of best relievers

MR 1 (setup)
MR 2 (setup)

Then after those

LR 1
LR 2
LR 3
MR 3
MR 4

When not winning, the CPU uses LR 1-3 first correct? Is that why we’re doing this this way?


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so after trying this set up listed for a while i was still running into issues in games that werent close..Lrp1# seems to always come in first choice no matter what score is (this happens before the 8th inning in games cpu is winning or losing) so i decided to have all LRP slots empty..just go for 7 man BP using both set up slots(SU1# for true set up guy and SU#2 for a lefty specialist) who seems to get a occasional nod vs. a lefty batter prior to 8th inning. and then ordering the Mrp slots with slot #1 and #2 using the remaining best pitchers.and slot #3 uses the "long reliever" and slot #4 with worst Rp. so wanted to see what happens and what desicions are made. im getting decent results
so far but need more games. to see what patterns are still happening.

[Mephiskapheles]

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so after trying this set up listed for a while i was still running into issues in games that werent close..Lrp1# seems to always come in first choice no matter what score is (this happens before the 8th inning in games cpu is winning or losing) so i decided to have all LRP slots empty..just go for 7 man BP using both set up slots(SU1# for true set up guy and SU#2 for a lefty specialist) who seems to get a occasional nod vs. a lefty batter prior to 8th inning. and then ordering the Mrp slots with slot #1 and #2 using the remaining best pitchers.and slot #3 uses the "long reliever" and slot #4 with worst Rp. so wanted to see what happens and what desicions are made. im getting decent results

so far but need more games. to see what patterns are still happening.

Sounds reasonable. So who are they using first before the 8th in this setup, the first MR? If so that makes sense to put the best non setup guy in the first MR spot. Do you see them using the setup guys in the 8th and 9th?


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[The Kid 24]

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so after trying this set up listed for a while i was still running into issues in games that werent close..Lrp1# seems to always come in first choice no matter what score is (this happens before the 8th inning in games cpu is winning or losing) so i decided to have all LRP slots empty..just go for 7 man BP using both set up slots(SU1# for true set up guy and SU#2 for a lefty specialist) who seems to get a occasional nod vs. a lefty batter prior to 8th inning. and then ordering the Mrp slots with slot #1 and #2 using the remaining best pitchers.and slot #3 uses the "long reliever" and slot #4 with worst Rp. so wanted to see what happens and what desicions are made. im getting decent results
so far but need more games. to see what patterns are still happening.

Sounds reasonable. So who are they using first before the 8th in this setup, the first MR? If so that makes sense to put the best non setup guy in the first MR spot. Do you see them using the setup guys in the 8th and 9th?


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Very interested to hear more.

[tytyboogie]

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ive hated the BP logic for years so i try anything i can over time..so im gonna be keeping track/notes in my physically played games who comes in, when and the score so i can test this out.. im not sure if the "true" long reliever should be in slot 3 or 4 honestly..as far as setup guys have gone the cpu so far still only uses set up #1 in winning situations in 8th however ive seen a left hp in setup#2 has been used in earlier innings for matchups more than once..and i think this is happening only cuz they happen to be the only Lhp out of the pen on these rosters.(i play mngr hook 5 untill SP comes out and then hook goes to 8)im trying to peak at box scores from cpu vs. cpu games to see what pitchers are used there as well to see what slots they are in. on a side note i was thrilled to see the cpu put in the closer in a tie game in the 9th inning of my NYY/Sea game the other night. pleasent surprise.

[Mephiskapheles]

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ive hated the BP logic for years so i try anything i can over time..so im gonna be keeping track/notes in my physically played games who comes in, when and the score so i can test this out.. im not sure if the "true" long reliever should be in slot 3 or 4 honestly..as far as setup guys have gone the cpu so far still only uses set up #1 in winning situations in 8th however ive seen a left hp in setup#2 has been used in earlier innings for matchups more than once..and i think this is happening only cuz they happen to be the only Lhp out of the pen on these rosters.(i play mngr hook 5 untill SP comes out and then hook goes to 8)im trying to peak at box scores from cpu vs. cpu games to see what pitchers are used there as well to see what slots they are in. on a side note i was thrilled to see the cpu put in the closer in a tie game in the 9th inning of my NYY/Sea game the other night. pleasent surprise.

I’m going to go with that and see what happens. I’m also going to try raising hook slider with relievers. It kills me that they leave a reliever in with no confidence and I get free hits and runs.


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[JTommy67]

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I generally refrain from too much criticism, as there is usually more than enough to go around, but can't help but to point out how ridiculous it is that such a prominent flaw is allowed to persist while patch after patch addresses numerous non-gameplay issues. Bullpen management is a MAJOR feature of modern baseball and failure of the cpu-controlled teams to properly respond to game circumstances should be at the TOP of the list for things to remedy. Sticking a LRP in when the cpu is down two runs and allowing him to get shelled for three innings may have been a problem in 2010, but it's inexcusable in 2019.

The most important part of this game is what happens on the field. When that's no longer a priority, I don't think players can be blamed for getting increasingly agitated.

Awful.