Rephrased Ohtani question

[msmith05]

Since the other thread it looked like I had a mild stroke....DO you think they have figured out the two way ohtani or will it be the same as its been for years? And before you jump on me for "calling out developers", I think its been a fair question that this is year 3 they should be able to figure it out.

[JDL375]

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The easy fix would be just remove whatever coding restriction prevents positions players from pitching.

We see it in real MLB games all the time. Position players pitch in extras/blow outs. I've seen the Rays specifically take a pitcher off the mound, put him at a position, bring in another pitcher, and then put the previous pitcher BACK ON THE MOUND and sub in at that position.

I'd like to just be able to put anybody anywhere at anytime, like is an option in REAL LIFE. I think there are so many other factors at play now with bad jumps and guys playing out of position penalties that nobody is going to be able to loophole the system, which is what I'm assuming was the reason for preventing it in the first place.

If I want to pitch a position player who has bad pitching attributes, I'll just have to deal with negative performance. Same as if I want to play a guy out of position or put a pitcher at first base, for example.

But hopefully it's not a third year of the game forcing Ohtani into ONE role, when clearly he's going to be used in a dual role in real life. I think they've had enough time to figure this out.

[Therebelyell626]

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For me the biggest problem wasn’t how the system handled the restrictions. It was that shohei ohtani was basically useless as a pitcher because he would gas out within 3 maybe 4 innings tops because of the way the fatigue system is handled in the game. The fatigue penalty for DH should be super minimal considering they are only in the game for 3-4 at bats at best.

Last year there were consistently relievers with more innings pitched then ohtani in my franchise

[ninertravel]

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For me the biggest problem wasn’t how the system handled the restrictions. It was that shohei ohtani was basically useless as a pitcher because he would gas out within 3 maybe 4 innings tops because of the way the fatigue system is handled in the game. The fatigue penalty for DH should be super minimal considering they are only in the game for 3-4 at bats at best.

Last year there were consistently relievers with more innings pitched then ohtani in my franchise

Actually this would be true in real life. Hence why he only DHS not on days before and after he pitches.....

Just on this I guess the way at looking stats is the biggest issue I have, you can’t check out his stats as a hitter unless you really dig deep. But he can’t sort him as a position player.

They won’t let us play every player as 2 way going to restrict. All because of online and DD mode

[Therebelyell626]

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Actually this would be true in real life. Hence why he only DHS not on days before and after he pitches.....

Just on this I guess the way at looking stats is the biggest issue I have, you can’t check out his stats as a hitter unless you really dig deep. But he can’t sort him as a position player.

They won’t let us play every player as 2 way going to restrict. All because of online and DD mode

That’s all fine and Dandy. But in franchise he never bats the day before or after he pitches, and you still can’t get him passed the 4th inning. It’s ridiculous!

[Caulfield]

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if SDS didn't get two-way players fixed and Ohtani doesn't stay healthy or falters at hitting or pitching, then maybe SDS wont even bother working on making two-way players viable any more. a lot of eyes gonna be on Shohei this year, some pulling for him and some wanting him to fail. I still lean where I did 2 years ago: I believe his future lies as an everyday player. I think he can pitch but I figure he'll be more valuable to the Angels as a hitter. unless they just absolutely dont have the arms to make it w/o Shohei pitching. and thats certainly likely. in any event I figure he'll need to pitch 150 innings and get 300 PA's from him to really get Sony on the ball with two-way players. unless they already addressed and fixed.

[Culture Rot]

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I can't believe three years later this is still being discussed as a possible issue.

[Therebelyell626]

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I can't believe three years later this is still being discussed as a possible issue.

Well, technically the show ‘19 was the first year he was two way capable. In SDS defense it was the first time a player was eligible to be two way “in game” and probably didn’t realize the hitting fatigue would carry over, or simply didn’t know it would or know how to fix it time for release. Hopefully after a year of being able to work things out he can actually pitch more than 90-95 innings in franchise.

[Therebelyell626]

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if SDS didn't get two-way players fixed and Ohtani doesn't stay healthy or falters at hitting or pitching, then maybe SDS wont even bother working on making two-way players viable any more. a lot of eyes gonna be on Shohei this year, some pulling for him and some wanting him to fail. I still lean where I did 2 years ago: I believe his future lies as an everyday player. I think he can pitch but I figure he'll be more valuable to the Angels as a hitter. unless they just absolutely dont have the arms to make it w/o Shohei pitching. and thats certainly likely. in any event I figure he'll need to pitch 150 innings and get 300 PA's from him to really get Sony on the ball with two-way players. unless they already addressed and fixed.

Honestly, have to disagree with you here caufield. He actually looked really good his first and only year on the mound. While I agree it may be hard in the future to allow him to do both, his value with us is definitely as a front line starter. Especially with the addition of Rendon, and the fact that our farm system is full of position players. Add to the fact that our current rotation is full of guys who realistically are 4th or 5th Day starters. I say if we have to choose one if he pitches effectively let him start.

[Culture Rot]

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Two Way Players are in. No more of this, finally.

[Jr.]

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Two Way Players are in. No more of this, finally.

Did they say they can be used outside of the way Ohtani was used last year? That you can truly put them anywhere in the lineup or pitch them whenever you want?

[ninertravel]

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Two Way Players are in. No more of this, finally.

Where was this heard?

[Caulfield]

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Where was this heard?

in today's stream.

[ninertravel]

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in today's stream.

Ok but they say that the player has to have so many games first before they are eligible to be a 2 way player. so I am sure you could do this within the roster itself. and would have to only do it in franchise?

[ShowTyme15]

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Ok but they say that the player has to have so many games first before they are eligible to be a 2 way player. so I am sure you could do this within the roster itself. and would have to only do it in franchise?

pretty sure it will work just like the new MLB rule. Has to spend at least 20 or more innings out of his primary position to be designated as a 2 way player. That is how the rule is set up in real life, so I assume it will be the same in MLB 20.