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  • cactusruss
    Pro
    • Aug 2004
    • 731

    #31
    Re: Universal DH

    Originally posted by baconbits11
    i could live with this for this year only. I think though a lot of people will agree with me, but simply put - baseball with a universal DH is not baseball. The baseball the American League plays now, while it has its appeal, is not baseball.

    Glad The Show has the option though.
    Every baseball league in the world uses the DH rule except MLB National League and Japan's Central League. The DH has been normal baseball for over a couple generations now. Not having a DH is not normal baseball.

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    • baconbits11
      MVP
      • Oct 2014
      • 2608

      #32
      Re: Universal DH

      Originally posted by cactusruss
      Every baseball league in the world uses the DH rule except MLB National League and Japan's Central League. The DH has been normal baseball for over a couple generations now. Not having a DH is not normal baseball.
      Just because all other leagues have "sold out" does not make it "normal baseball".

      Just think about what you are saying...the DH means "designated hitter", which means you are choosing a player not normally starting to be "designated" to simply hit for a starting player. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

      Why not just let anyone who cannot hit, (let's say my shortstop (or any position you like) is a poor hitter but a great defensive player.), Let's just "designate" a player to hit for him too. Heck, let's replace the whole team with home run hitters who don't have to play the field.

      Sure, that sounds like "normal baseball" to me....

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      • reyes the roof
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2009
        • 11526

        #33
        Re: Universal DH

        Originally posted by baconbits11
        Just because all other leagues have "sold out" does not make it "normal baseball".

        Just think about what you are saying...the DH means "designated hitter", which means you are choosing a player not normally starting to be "designated" to simply hit for a starting player. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

        Why not just let anyone who cannot hit, (let's say my shortstop (or any position you like) is a poor hitter but a great defensive player.), Let's just "designate" a player to hit for him too. Heck, let's replace the whole team with home run hitters who don't have to play the field.

        Sure, that sounds like "normal baseball" to me....
        I’d like to see designated base runners too so I don’t have to watch Wilson Ramos run the bases looking like he has a refrigerator strapped to his back

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        • Madden08PCgmr
          MVP
          • Feb 2017
          • 2440

          #34
          Re: Universal DH

          Color me a purist. I hate the DH.

          I wipe out the DH in my franchises. Its more challenging to try to move runners along than having another guy standing up there hacking away.

          ... and this from a Seattleite who got to watch the best DH of all-time for the better part of 20 years.
          You want free speech?
          Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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          • SamC24167
            Pro
            • May 2019
            • 530

            #35
            Re: Universal DH

            Originally posted by reyes the roof
            I’d like to see designated base runners too so I don’t have to watch Wilson Ramos run the bases looking like he has a refrigerator strapped to his back
            ha ha i need this also for Yadi hes a great player but he runs like he is in quiksand .. but i ama Purist as well i love the no DH rule and the strategy that goes into it, becasue without it we would have never had Whitey ball or Larussa being the manager he was

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            • TheDarkKnightRises
              MVP
              • Apr 2015
              • 1060

              #36
              Re: Universal DH

              Originally posted by itsmb8
              Thats exactly why I asked, because I know its at least possible for them.

              Would be really nice to see an option for it when youre selecting the weather and broadcast style.
              That’s a good idea. They should give us the option to toggle DH on/off and fans on/off in exhibition mode.
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              • HollaMV7
                Rookie
                • Dec 2013
                • 263

                #37
                Re: Universal DH

                Originally posted by reyes the roof
                That seems incredibly unfair to the NL teams to make a switch now when they’ve already put their roster together. Fortunately it benefits the Mets because Céspedes can probably be an asset there.
                It benefits every single NL team having a DH. Hopefully it never goes away beginning this year.


                I agree on the shifts. No more than 2 players on any side of 2nd base.

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                • eric7064
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 1151

                  #38
                  Re: Universal DH

                  HATE the DH.

                  Just takes away so much strategy. Being a manager in the AL compared to the NL has to be a completely different experience. Just the deciding whether or not to pinch hit in a crucial situation is big time strategy.

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                  • mariner690
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 256

                    #39
                    Re: Universal DH

                    Originally posted by eric7064
                    HATE the DH.

                    Just takes away so much strategy. Being a manager in the AL compared to the NL has to be a completely different experience. Just the deciding whether or not to pinch hit in a crucial situation is big time strategy.


                    Almost nobody buys a ticket with the hopes of seeing a double switch. Especially nobody under the age of 50 when the other option is seeing a DH hit a 500 foot bomb.


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                    • countryboy
                      Growing pains
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 52732

                      #40
                      Re: Universal DH

                      Originally posted by mariner690
                      Almost nobody buys a ticket with the hopes of seeing a double switch. Especially nobody under the age of 50 when the other option is seeing a DH hit a 500 foot bomb.


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                      Kind of hard to make this argument when 3 of the top 5 teams in average attendance last year were National League teams with the Dodgers being the top dog and the Cardinals being second on the list.

                      Also 6 out of the top 10 were National League teams.

                      https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...019-misc.shtml
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                      • kehlis
                        Moderator
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 27738

                        #41
                        Re: Universal DH

                        Originally posted by mariner690
                        Almost nobody buys a ticket with the hopes of seeing a double switch. Especially nobody under the age of 50 when the other option is seeing a DH hit a 500 foot bomb.


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                        Man, all of those fans that have bought tickets to go see NL games have really been duped all these years. They should really do a better job at keeping up on the rules.

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                        • BleacherCreature
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 3160

                          #42
                          Re: Universal DH

                          The DH isn’t bad if you like watching half a player.


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                          • BoNity
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 333

                            #43
                            Re: Universal DH

                            Originally posted by BleacherCreature
                            The DH isn’t bad if you like watching half a player.


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                            Wouldnt watching a pitcher bat be watching half a player too? since they often cant hit

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                            • LowerWolf
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 12268

                              #44
                              Re: Universal DH

                              Assuming there's a season, it's a near certainty NL teams will get the DH this year. And when/if that happens, there won't be any going back; it will be made permanent in 2021.

                              As a kid who grew up watching the Braves on TBS, I was staunchly anti-DH for years. I've softened a bit recently, although I still prefer "NL" style rules without the DH. I like the strategy and - I realize this makes little sense - the lineup just flows better to me with the pitcher hitting 9th. But I understand and can even appreciate having an extra hitter with the DH.

                              For the videogame, I played with the DH on last year. I've started over several times this year and have flip-flopped between Auto and On. But I think I'm going to start my final dynasty with it on for both leagues.

                              Part of the reason I play franchise modes is for the stats. I'd rather accumulate batting stats for my hitters than my pitchers. And the rocket bunting pretty much eliminates sacrifices, which really hurts when you're playing with a pitcher in the lineup.

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                              • mariner690
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2011
                                • 256

                                #45
                                Universal DH

                                Originally posted by countryboy
                                Kind of hard to make this argument when 3 of the top 5 teams in average attendance last year were National League teams with the Dodgers being the top dog and the Cardinals being second on the list.



                                Also 6 out of the top 10 were National League teams.



                                https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...019-misc.shtml

                                Do the Dodgers lead the league in attendence because of how well their pitchers hit and all the amazing double switches Dave Roberts pulls off in the 7th inning? Or is it because they have great teams with great players in a huge market? People generally want to see the best athletes do what they do best.

                                Pitchers hit .128 and struck out 44% of their at bats last season. Baseball has a problem attracting young fans and increasing the times the ball is put into play. I doubt having the pitcher bunt a runner to 2b with 1 out attracts new fans to the game. Was it more enjoyable watching David Ortiz hit the past 15 years or Bartolo Colon hit 1 home run during that time?

                                Not to mention baseball is the only major sport that has two different set of rules. Imagine if the NBA only had the 3 point line in the Eastern Conference. Or the NFL only allowed teams to use a kicker in the NFC.
                                Last edited by mariner690; 05-12-2020, 12:51 PM.

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