Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

I'm right there with you. I know some folks will say "who cares about expanded rosters?"; they want something flashy, and I get it.



But expanded rosters, even just 15-18 slots to accommodate a full A-ball, would hugely help in several areas. You can do a true representation of AAA and AA lineups, complete with all those marginal (D/F potential) guys. Those marginal guys are hugely important to how well the mode works because it allows for a proper flow of prospects through the systems. Essentially, it keeps the mode balanced. The added slots gives the wiggle room to add those 'flashy' young prospects down in A-ball without overloading systems with A/B potential prospects.



With the current 90-man rosters, roster creators often had to make tough choices between adding a bunch of prospects (which was horrible for franchise longevity) or staying more authentic in the upper minors (great for franchise longevity, but unpopular to those that wanted every 17 yr old 'prospect' added to their team's roster as an 'A' potential). This is one reason why Bacon's Fictional roster has been so well-received, he was able to craft a roster with loads of D-potential guys without people whining about "why so-and-so 'hot prospect' isn't in the roster" - and the result is a superior franchise experience.



The additional slots would allow roster creators to keep those marginal guys around while still adding a reasonable number of "high-end" prospects. By making this less of a conundrum, this ultimately begins to distill down into several areas:



1. Improved progression. With the lower potential guys cratering and dropping out of the minors, it opens up slots for the younger guys to get playing time in AA/AAA. More playing time = better progression. In other words, you're not seeing prospects be useless until they are 25/26 yrs old.



2. Younger/lower rated guys are cheaper. This adds up quickly, allowing teams to save several million each off-season. This gives team the budget space to lap up those veteran FAs. So, in theory, no more 35 yr old 88 OVR guys being left un-signed.



3. More "injury resistance". More players gives the system more flexibility to fill injury slots in both the high minors and major league level. Even simming games at 6 for the injury slider can sometimes result in some minor league systems getting devastated by injuries to the point where they don't have enough bodies for certain roles.



4. Better 40-man roster management. As the lower potential guys get flushed out, those better-developing younger prospects become more attractive to be added to the 40-man rosters earlier in their careers. So, none of that drivel where 79/80 OVR prospects are just hanging out off the 40-man rosters.



5. More challenging trade dynamics. Sorry...when you have a slew of A potential guys, it's WAY too easy to make really unfair trades in your favor. In a more balanced roster environment, you'll be thinking twice about trading one of your (few) A guys...even if he is a couple years away.



Ultimately...this ONE change makes the life of one's franchise experience (whether you play every game or simulate a lot) a lot better and makes it a critical need for the potential future of this series as a whole.

Outstanding post and why expanded rosters was #1 on the list. True full minors at A level ball is really that important to a long term franchise.

That really needs to be happening for 21 if indeed that is the reason they scraped Y2Y saves.

If you think about it. That is the most common sense reason they had to scrap it. Rosters would not be right moving from a 90 man roster save file to say a 104 man roster.

We will know soon enough.


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[countryboy]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

Outstanding post and why expanded rosters was #1 on the list. True full minors at A level ball is really that important to a long term franchise.

That really needs to be happening for 21 if indeed that is the reason they scraped Y2Y saves.

If you think about it. That is the most common sense reason they had to scrap it. Rosters would not be right moving from a 90 man roster save file to say a 104 man roster.

We will know soon enough.


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That is my hope.

If you expand the rosters from 90 to 110+, not only does the roster management of franchise need to be re-written, but so does the financial aspect of it so that it works out.

I know its not "smart" to do so, but I'm banking on expanded rosters being in '21 and the reason why Y2Y saves had to be "suspended" for the year.

[Armor and Sword]

Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

I agree with you in theory and with your questions that need to be answered.



I am just a lot more pessimistic than most. I have seen nothing in the modern gaming scene that leads me to have any thought than this is the end of sports gaming for the sim crowd. My feeling is that a lot will be taken out or dumbed down for the sake of "bringing players to the game" There is no reason to not expect them to fully embrace the DD and microtransaction practices that are prevalent in every facet of gaming today.



They will tout analytics and numbers what have you. But it all comes down to the all mighty dollar. While the Devs may love the game and want to put out a great Baseball product. They, in reality, have very little say over their product. Especially as a first party studio. SDS has removed more than they have added this generation and a lot of it was done without notice or attention.



I love '20 and have loved the Franchise as a whole. Ive played since 2007. But for me and in my opinion this is the sign on the wall that its over for me. Do I hope I am wrong? Of course I do. Am I saying that '21 is going to suck. Of course not. Well at least not as a product. It may actually suck for a lot of us. I just don't see any real improvements coming to "our" crowd. I think the trend going forward will be "quicker, easier, shorter, spend money" This trend has already been getting pushed to the forefront every year since the introduction of DD.



I truly hope they are successful in whatever they do. I don't begrudge them making money. But until proven otherwise, I will assume the worst and just be happy with what I have.

Brother I want you to be wrong. But like you, reading the tea leaves have not looked good with the trend of console sports gaming.

Lets hope our boys from SDS buck the trend!!


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[TheWarmWind]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

Having worked in the IT field since the 80s it bothers me when I hear "technically we can't do it."

That is almost always not true when it comes to database mgt and software. What it really means is "we don't want to spend the time and money to write and test an API to transfer data.

It is what it is, but anything can be done..it just may not be worth their investment.

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I suspect time is the culprit. A one year development cycle in this day and age is crazy.

They've talked about it before, about how their time has to be strictly budgeted, and how features they want to implement (like build-a-stadium) just aren't feasible.

They probably discussed finding a way to bring cash overs into their new systems. The discussion probably lasted 5 minutes and ended with "we just can't afford the time". It was probably the right decision too.

This is all supposition of course, but plausible.

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[pantherfan076]

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Agreed! I am so happy with how 20 plays on the PS5 that I will be totally happy continuing my franchise this upcoming year instead of starting new with 21. If they confirm that Y2Y saves will continue fresh with 22 then I’ll get 21 down the line.


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My thoughts EXACTLY! I still don't have a 4k TV so no point in the PS5 yet... I take my PS4 with me when I travel and don't want to be spoiled at home and think I'm looking at PS3 graphics when I'm not.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

If expanded rosters isn't part of the "revamp" then I'm going to be disappointed, as it has personally been my top priority for changes to franchise and knew after speaking with devs that it wasn't possible with how the infrastructure of their franchise coding was written.

So that is the first thing I want to hear. Obviously there are other things I want, but for me personally it begins and ends with expanded rosters.

They add expanded rosters, after having time to think, I will likely pick up '21. If not, then I don't know that there is anything they could add, without expanded rosters, that would make me end my carryover and start fresh.

Gameplay elements, overhaul of fielding being most significant thus far, will also play a part in which version of MLB The Show I'm playing come April 20th.

Time will tell.

I agree.

Expanded rosters and better scouting are the 2 things that would potentially sway me to take moving on under further consideration.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

I agree.

Expanded rosters and better scouting are the 2 things that would potentially sway me to take moving on under further consideration.

Not to quote myself but also would love to see better progression and regression.

[jrnlgrn]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

What do you mean by losing year-to-year franchise saves? M

It means you won't be able to transfer your current franchise progress over to The Show '21.

[Caulfield]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

Not to quote myself but also would love to see better progression and regression.

I think one means that would help achieve that end: offensive potential, and defensive potential. that wouldn't be a catch all solution but it's at least a start

[Caulfield]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

If expanded rosters isn't part of the "revamp" then I'm going to be disappointed, as it has personally been my top priority for changes to franchise and knew after speaking with devs that it wasn't possible with how the infrastructure of their franchise coding was written.

So that is the first thing I want to hear. Obviously there are other things I want, but for me personally it begins and ends with expanded rosters.

They add expanded rosters, after having time to think, I will likely pick up '21. If not, then I don't know that there is anything they could add, without expanded rosters, that would make me end my carryover and start fresh.

Gameplay elements, overhaul of fielding being most significant thus far, will also play a part in which version of MLB The Show I'm playing come April 20th.

Time will tell.

I don't know if it's expanded rosters that's the culprit (I hope it is) but I've a feeling some type major addition is responsible for a hiatus on carry-over saves. as bad as covid was last year, and continues so, I just can't imagine it was the only contributing factor

[Kotter]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

I’m only one year into my Bacon Fictional franchise, but I am heartbroken to hear about the lack of Y2Y saves. Im that invested in it.

I’m looking forward to the new franchise improvements in 21, but if they can’t confirm Y2Y saves will be back in 22 then I’ll probably stick with 20. It plays so well on PS5.


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[tessl]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

So, to try to see a bright side to this I was playing The Show last night and in noticed that I could choose to use a Show19 or Show20 Roster and slider. SO if I had a roster from the Show19 I could use that in my Show 20 game.

So this got me thinking. Sony said no carryover Franchise saves, but it did not say anything about rosters or sliders. What that could mean is that I could download say Bacon's roster onto my PS4 for The Show20, then in The Show21, use that roster but save it as a Show21 roster. Then I can use it in my franchise.

I mean it doesn't allow me to carryover my existing franchise roster, but that may allow us to start new franchises with the rosters that we want. But perhaps you could export and import your rosters from your existing franchise into just a Show20 Roster then upload that into 21.

Just hopefully thinking.

I'm using an original SDS roster in my carry over relocated franchise. If I could simply save that roster and continue I would do that and buy the 21 version. The other option would be a confirmation they will have carry over saves in 2022.


What I won't do is throw it all away and return to one year franchise mode.

[countryboy]

Re: Carry-over File Saves in MLB 21 .... What exactly do we Lose ?

The more I play my carryover franchise in ‘20, the more dejected I become at the fact that carryover saves are not in for ‘21.

And not knowing until April what franchise changes are in for ‘21 to even make a decision on whether to quit or continue just adds to the frustration.




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[JHedges2]

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And not knowing until April what franchise changes are in for ‘21 to even make a decision on whether to quit or continue just adds to the frustration.

This is exactly where I am at. I want to play, but also--I have a strong sense of it being a waste of time at this point.

[jcar0725]

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Isn't it pointless to have a deep minor league system if we don't have carry over saves?

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