MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

[Caulfield]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

until I hear otherwise I'm going with the belief carry-over saves are just on a temporary hiatus and will resume by carry-over of 21 to 22. until I hear otherwise, officially. AFAIC the reports of the death of carry-over saves is greatly exaggerated. I know probably over 90% of carry-over guys wanted to continue but I've been wanting to reboot for a couple years now. I've gotten 6 more seasons further into with franchise than I normally would but my experience with it has grown stale and needs a breath of fresh air.
I think what's caused the hiccup from 20 to 21 is Xbox entering the mix. with a little more time, I trust the Studio will get this huge issue resolved satisfactorily. they have to know what separates them from EA & 2K is carry-over saves. and they are already behind the 8-ball in terms of sales versus what their competition pulls. I can't see that they would willingly fall further behind. I know in the interim that will be of little consolation to that aforementioned 99% but in the longhaul it will have proved to be vital if the Show is to grow beyond it's current smaller niche. I also believe this is a sign Diamond Dynasty cannot sustain that needed growth and now Sony will be ready to move forward with a better vision for franchise guys.

that's my Hot Take perspective anyways.
or hot garbage from other certain points of view lol


EDIT - and if Sony is really on top of things they will figure out how to continue 20 into 22 or figure out a way to continue with a patch from 20 to 21 before they stop supporting 21 w/patches

[TheWarmWind]

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Some of these have been mentioned already, but here's some things that drive me nuts with Franchise mode that need fixed:

1. Playoff Eligibility: This isn't really a thing anymore. At least not how it's done in The Show. Players don't have to be on the MLB Roster or IL as of 8/31 (there's was always a way around this when it was the rule). Players now simply have to be on the 40-man roster as of 8/31. Still, there's a workaround in real life, but I understand how this isn't feasible to adapt in The Show. However, having 40 players (plus any 60-day IL guys) is needed.

2. Playoff IL Glitch: It's been mentioned and it clearly needs to go. It's simple. Like I said above, if the player is on the 40-man roster or 60-day IL as of 8/31, he's eligible for the playoffs regardless of injury status.

3. Outrighted to Triple-A: Realistically, once out of options and outrighted, the player is removed from the 40-man roster. This isn't the case on The Show. They'll stay on the 40 and the CPU will just keep cycling them through Waivers year-after-year, even though they're 40 years old and 50 overall. This might be the biggest issue that I have. It's simply not realistic and hurts the CPU's roster management. I think this is a big reason why we see players not debut until their late 20s. An old, useless player basically has to retire before the CPU will give a roster spot to a promising prospect.

4. Bullpen Management: It seems the CPU LOVES going to the LRP guys and sticking with them for 2 or 3 innings, nearly regardless of endurance/energy or the situation. They'll come out if they get shelled or if it's on the 9th and it's a Save Opp, but other than that the CPU treats them as the sacrificial lamb too often.

5. Contracts: Why is my guy with 108 days of service asking for $830K? He doesn't have that leverage. Pre-Arb players should be asking for ~minimum salaries for Pre-Arb years. Also, why am I allowed to add a player to my 40-man roster, call him up, and still only pay him $70K? Once a player is called up or added to the 40-man roster, they should be making the league minimum. Arbitration players should understand that their previous salary is grounds for a raise based off of their performance and current service time. Too many times, they're asking for less and it's just silly economics of baseball.

There's some others like 5th SP usage in the Playoffs or not sending down slumping/declining players for more promising and younger players during the season as often as they show, but I think those can at least be explained as possibly realistic. The other stuff above is just poor logic/incorrect based on how MLB teams actually operate.

I have a solution for #4.

You need to turn up pitching staminas.

I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but the issue is that the CPU values maintaining effective pitches far too much (ie the point where pitches start to lose movement and accuracy).

They value maintaining it so much in fact, that most nights they'd rather trot out a guy who's already tired in order to try maintain their bullpen (which they never use) then try and win the game.

By raising stamina, you only push back the total number of pitches a pitcher can throw by a tiny amount, but the effective pitches are raised by a large amount. This makes the CPU much more willing to utilize their bullpen as opposed to constantly protecting them.

I've got all of the pitching stamina sliders set to 8, and even with cpu manager hook set locked at 5, it's a massive improvement. I still see a few headscratchers, but most of the time I agree with the CPUs decision-making.

I suspect that the pitching stamina sliders are too low at default because the base game is balanced for online play.

PS, with the staminas at 8, pitchers will lose pitch effectiveness when their number of pitches thrown is equal to their stamina attribute. There is some variance to this night to night, sometimes they can throw more, sometimes it's less, but on average they'll lose pitch effectiveness around that number.

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[orioles0615]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

Agreed with the first statement.

Second statement - "broken" is a strong term (but I get what you're driving at - there are 'bigger fish to fry'). The current mode actually DOES work well - but if you use poorly designed rosters (i.e. ones that don't have enough D/F potential players - which is, well, nearly all of them - including the most popular ones), then the mode has a lot of issues. Rosters and how they interface with a franchise mode boils down to the old saying "garbage in, garbage out"...and that's true with all sports games.



Agreed for the most part...but again, starting with a poorly designed roster made it a heckuva lot worse. Use a well-designed roster, and it isn't "stale" at all...in fact, it's quite dynamic in how things can unfold. But, yes, roster expansion and a re-tooling of the management AI is needed.

What is the best roster? Even the OSFM roster has a buttload of A potential guys

[dbekoscke]

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In March, when franchise improvements (or lack thereof) are announced, and if they are not anything really special and game-changing, I wonder if we as a community could get a #fixTheShowFranchise trending. I realize that our community vs Madden is a fraction of the size, but.... maybe....

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[Dice]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

Just make sure you don't remove Manage Only Mode

[jcar0725]

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until I hear otherwise I'm going with the belief carry-over saves are just on a temporary hiatus and will resume by carry-over of 21 to 22. until I hear otherwise, officially. AFAIC the reports of the death of carry-over saves is greatly exaggerated. I know probably over 90% of carry-over guys wanted to continue but I've been wanting to reboot for a couple years now. I've gotten 6 more seasons further into with franchise than I normally would but my experience with it has grown stale and needs a breath of fresh air.
I think what's caused the hiccup from 20 to 21 is Xbox entering the mix. with a little more time, I trust the Studio will get this huge issue resolved satisfactorily. they have to know what separates them from EA & 2K is carry-over saves. and they are already behind the 8-ball in terms of sales versus what their competition pulls. I can't see that they would willingly fall further behind. I know in the interim that will be of little consolation to that aforementioned 99% but in the longhaul it will have proved to be vital if the Show is to grow beyond it's current smaller niche. I also believe this is a sign Diamond Dynasty cannot sustain that needed growth and now Sony will be ready to move forward with a better vision for franchise guys.

that's my Hot Take perspective anyways.
or hot garbage from other certain points of view lol


EDIT - and if Sony is really on top of things they will figure out how to continue 20 into 22 or figure out a way to continue with a patch from 20 to 21 before they stop supporting 21 w/patches

I really hope that's the case, that carry over saves are just on a one year hiatus. I'm not saying I never have started multiple new franchises, but the show was always an automatic purchase for me due to the ability to continue my existing franchise and keep it going.

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[Scooter3]

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This is difficult to take seeing that I have been perfecting my players for what is almost a decade thousands of hours invested. I'm scooter here but BigKlu in the vault.
I'm hoping that this is a one time occurrence and we can transfer from 2021 and thereafter if so it's welcomed if this is a visual player upgrage.

If so this next year will be dedicated to recreating all of my players.

I would look forward to having the ability to choose the length of the season the length of each game I would enjoy going back to 1956 Not only with The Choice of 154 games and 16 Teams with all 1956 records in tack but also visually with the Fans in the seats wearing 1950 style suits and hats women in dresses.
I would really enjoy if they would introduce the teams with their location and Team names.
The Brooklyn Dodgers the Milwaukee Braves the Cincinnati Redlegs the New York Giants The Washington Senators.

Would like to see the flag waving and the hear our Stars Spangled Banner.

I would love my players in the game and offered as random faces that people could put a name to. This would replace the generic faces offered every year.
I have over 400 of these faces that I have been perfecting. They can choose any name that they feel matches the face. No red tape involved.

I would love to duplicate roster control in franchise player movement lineups pitching rotation manager roster import player everything that you can do in roster management.

Love Creating the following with the hopes of carrying them over in the future through the vault.

Players
Uniforms
Stadiums

I know it's a big list but one can still dream.


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[RogerDodger]

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The biggest asset of The Show’s franchise mode has always been the fact that while they’ve added very little, they’ve resisted removing anything. That’s why losing carry over saves is a significant loss in my opinion. I’d like to see them make some kind of reassuring comments for franchise fans over social media sooner rather than make everyone wait until March because it risks overshadowing the entire launch much like the mistake EA made with Madden this year. I’m really puzzled why they would do this.

[mattynokes]

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I have a solution for #4.

You need to turn up pitching staminas.

I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but the issue is that the CPU values maintaining effective pitches far too much (ie the point where pitches start to lose movement and accuracy).

They value maintaining it so much in fact, that most nights they'd rather trot out a guy who's already tired in order to try maintain their bullpen (which they never use) then try and win the game.

By raising stamina, you only push back the total number of pitches a pitcher can throw by a tiny amount, but the effective pitches are raised by a large amount. This makes the CPU much more willing to utilize their bullpen as opposed to constantly protecting them.

I've got all of the pitching stamina sliders set to 8, and even with cpu manager hook set locked at 5, it's a massive improvement. I still see a few headscratchers, but most of the time I agree with the CPUs decision-making.

I suspect that the pitching stamina sliders are too low at default because the base game is balanced for online play.

PS, with the staminas at 8, pitchers will lose pitch effectiveness when their number of pitches thrown is equal to their stamina attribute. There is some variance to this night to night, sometimes they can throw more, sometimes it's less, but on average they'll lose pitch effectiveness around that number.

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Thanks for the tip! I know that I have them turned up higher than most posted Sliders suggest, but I'll crack them all to 11 (haha, couldn't resist an amp joke). Can't wait to see what it does at 8!

However, I think my point still exists. Why should we have to tweak, use house rules, etc... to get realism? Shouldn't that already be how the game works? Anyways, here's to hoping that becomes a thing in MLB 21 and the Slider suggestion tides me over on MLB 20.

[Rocket32]

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In March, when franchise improvements (or lack thereof) are announced, and if they are not anything really special and game-changing, I wonder if we as a community could get a #fixTheShowFranchise trending. I realize that our community vs Madden is a fraction of the size, but.... maybe....

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Lets see if it even works for the Madden franchise mode crowd, I wouldn’t call it successful until we see what happens with Madden 22. Sure it pushed EA to add some smaller things to franchise throughout M21’s cycle but the real test IMO is if they show more commitment to significant franchise improvements with the next game then in recent years, or if EA’s approach is just back to business as usual.

[BrianMcNulty11]

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The more I edit my rosters on MLBTS20, the less I wanna preorder 21. I'm gonna need clarification on the roster carry-over stuff. It will suck bad if we can't even use rosters we spent weeks fine tuning.


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[Frostball]

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Was already on the fence about buying 21 now this may have sealed the deal

[zello144]

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This gives me no incentive to buy MLB 20 since there are no carryover saves into 21.

Was looking forward to importing my RTTS guys I've had since 14. Oh well as long as this leads to significant changes across all modes for the better I'm fine without carryover saves for this year.

[TripleCrown]

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However, I think my point still exists. Why should we have to tweak, use house rules, etc... to get realism? Shouldn't that already be how the game works? Anyways, here's to hoping that becomes a thing in MLB 21 and the Slider suggestion tides me over on MLB 20.

You’re right on the money. I understand for hitting & pitching the player skills is a huge variable but for runners speed, fielders reaction, arm strength (infielders & outfielders) etc.... all those can be timed & calculated I think pretty accurately. Some guys in the sliders section did and it’s a few click away from the default values.

[Jhack99]

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And I noticed that "Franchise and RTTS" only players dont get early access (standard pre-order) which used to get early access if I remember correctly. I wouldn't buy the higher versions if I were going to pre-order the game this year, or in future versions. I have dabbled in DD in the past but it doesn't intrest me anymore, and my bank account thanks me for this, especially considering the state of the current economy.

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