MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

[My993C2]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

Remember the newspaper stories ? That was 2012 I think they were good now we got that radio show which was ok but drives me mad now.

MLB The Show 12 was the first iteration of the game I played and yes it had the newspaper stories.

[Scooter3]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

I won't buy MLB 2021 The Show unless They commit to franchise and or roster carry overs from 2021 to 2022.
If they do commit I will be OK with busting my hump creating players in 2021 for 2022.
Will not start from scratch every year.
Best case scenario new player models and carry-overs starting 2022.

While I’m not going to get angry that Y2Y saves are most likely not going to be in 21, this is seriously making me consider waiting until 22 to buy The Show and a PS5. This year, I spent countless hours preparing a roster for my franchise that I could play using 30 team control. I edited batting stances, pitching motions, CAP’s, equipment for every player, entered pitching edits, etc. I did this in the hopes that I could carry this roster forward and finally commit to a long-term franchise.

I buy the show every year without question but this might be the first time ever I will pass. I always enjoy adding some recently retired/overseas players to my rosters such as Jose Bautista, James Loney, Tim Lincecum, etc. and no Y2Y saves means I can’t even bring those players and their career stats into 21. If I buy 21. it might just be for DD and other modes which I honestly don’t use much and I’d just roll with 20 for my franchise. 21 could have significant franchise improvements but I’m still not sure I could abandon my roster and the players that would be lost.

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[Red_Ted_is_back]

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Sounds of the Show wasn't removed in '14.

The PS4 version had it, but because the PS4 OS didn't support .mp3 files, SDS was only able to allow users to work with music and sounds made available on the disc. Same with 15.

In 16, the PS4 OS added support of .mp3 files and Sounds of the Show "returned" to normal.

But again, SDS never took Sounds of the Show out of the game, they simply couldn't utilize it the way they had because the PS4 OS didn't support it.

My bad


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[BannaCricket]

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What upset me the most, is last year, they decided to disable roster control, after the trade deadline. That pretty much ruined the game experience for me. There is no reason for that, and it has the feeling of being nothing but a d*ck move.

[noseeumcreek]

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Expansion and season length option of 54 games.

Ideas like this is where it starts for me. Expansion and option to change season length is when you begin to make franchise mode really customizable. Expansion forces division format to change. The user should have say in what division sizes are and who are in them. Being able to change season length also leads to having choice to maybe get rid of inter league play if you want to. While I like the austerity of being able to play full long season like they do in the big leagues, many of us don’t have time to commit to that gameplay schedule.

Other comments about roster size, minor league depth, and such, also make sense.

[porch733]

I'm (NOW)  not buying '21. Period.

I've purchased this game 4 years in a row BECAUSE I could happily continue my franchise. This is exactly why I stopped buying anything EA Sports. All these games offer deep franchise functionality, then expect you to dutifully buy the yearly version of the game without being able to finish what you started. 

So, no thanks. MLB '20 is still working just fine, and will for many years. The incremental changes have never really amounted to much, and the game hasn't fundamentally changed in years, no matter how much marketing they throw at you.

This is easily the best sports game on the market (I'm not even a huge baseball fan). But enough is enough. There are still small bugs from years past that they can't seem to bring themselves to fix.

I'll spend my  $ on something else... 

[Caulfield]

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I'm (NOW) not buying '21. Period.

I've purchased this game 4 years in a row BECAUSE I could happily continue my franchise. This is exactly why I stopped buying anything EA Sports. All these games offer deep franchise functionality, then expect you to dutifully buy the yearly version of the game without being able to finish what you started.

So, no thanks. MLB '20 is still working just fine, and will for many years. The incremental changes have never really amounted to much, and the game hasn't fundamentally changed in years, no matter how much marketing they throw at you.

This is easily the best sports game on the market (I'm not even a huge baseball fan). But enough is enough. There are still small bugs from years past that they can't seem to bring themselves to fix.

I'll spend my $ on something else...

I agree with 90% of this sentiment except I never have felt anyone at Sony, EA or 2K expects me to dutifully purchase annually. that's my perspective anyhow

[The Kid 24]

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What upset me the most, is last year, they decided to disable roster control, after the trade deadline. That pretty much ruined the game experience for me. There is no reason for that, and it has the feeling of being nothing but a d*ck move.

What? I dont follow.

[Greencollarbaseball]

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They will have to seriously wow me with additions to franchise mode in 21 to get me to buy it and abandon my carryover franchise. I started it in 15 and am currently 11 seasons deep in playing every game. Otherwise I will treat mlb like I do madden and buy once every 3 years.


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[Armor and Sword]

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What? I dont follow.

There was a bug that occurred if you had chosen CPU Roster Control when setting up a franchise, it became disabled after the trade deadline. I am not sure if it was fixed (I think it was?) on 20.

[JoshC1977]

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There was a bug that occurred if you had chosen CPU Roster Control when setting up a franchise, it became disabled after the trade deadline. I am not sure if it was fixed (I think it was?) on 20.

Yes, it was patched...

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...tch-notes.html

[Armor and Sword]

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I agree with 90% of this sentiment except I never have felt anyone at Sony, EA or 2K expects me to dutifully purchase annually. that's my perspective anyhow

100% agree with that. No one has to buy a game every year.

I am going to copy and paste my true feelings and final thoughts for now (until we get more info on the new game) about Y2Y.

I think you have a few camps emerging here.

Those that feel Y2Y will come back again and that the reasons for ditching it outweigh the benefits for the long term growth of the game (better franchise mode, better rosters, ratings etc).

Then you have a camp that could give a rat’s *** about it and think it is no big deal and to be frank....who cares about that camp. They are not in the niche community we have here in terms of the every pitch, every inning, deep immersive franchise experience that we get from taking that approach and had this gift of a feature (Y2Y saves) so we can enjoy the “incremental” improvements to gameplay while continuing to enjoy our virtual baseball universe (and oh BTW the 10’s of thousands of hours that have been poured into classic/fictional/fantasy rosters by our incredible roster community here at OS).

And then you have the camp I fall into.....I think this post clearly states where I am at with all of it. And I am actually in a great place with the series, which has been nothing short of amazing for me going on 12 years and it will keep going no doubt!

I do not disagree with those sentiments what so ever in terms of maybe it needed to be done to advance the series.

The hope is the game is getting newer features that will hopefully make Franchise mode and rosters better than ever.

I have no ill will towards SDS if that is the plan and the vision.

I just think the tea leaves of the general direction of solo offline franchise mode players is a dying mode and type of player. Let’s be real about it.

I think SDS is a great developer. They have given us an amazing series of baseball games that I am still playing and enjoying immensely.

My sentiment is, it is just sad to see 10’s of thousands of hours of work.....vaporized on the move from PS4 to PS5 where we were all looking forward to carrying forward this incredible body of work.

Pure speculation on my part....but my spidey sense is tingling very strong that MLB 21 will not even come close to expectations in terms of expanded rosters and franchise “updates’ (as they now word it) to overcome the loss of Y2Y and the immense catalog of work that has been created over the last 7 cycles.

yeah and I know people love to come in and post “we don’t know”...but let’s be real...we do. Age and wisdom has some benefits folks.

I think the optimist in me hopes that by 2023 the game’s franchise mode will be a lot better. But again I question just really how much is going to fundamentally change from what we have now which IMO is a very strong, and deep franchise mode for a console game. Please do not compare The Show to OOTP baseball. A huge and common mistake made around here. We are talking about two different animals.

You see those of us (and it is a very small %) that play every inning and every pitch and every game are getting all this game has to offer in it’s current state and have been extremely happy playing our franchise and having the benefit of Y2Y to get the new gameplay improvements every year. It really was a landmark franchise feature and IMO the greatest feature ever introduced to console sport gaming.

So instead being an every cycle purchase for those of us immersed in our virtual baseball universe....it will be a once in every 3 or 4 cycle? I mean I played MVP 2005 for 5 straight years until I finally moved on to the PS3 and MLB The Show 2009.

Once 14 dropped on the PS4 I knew I could transfer my file every cycle. It was so awesome.

So.....think about what I have posted and then think about what really changed on the move to PS5 that would prompt the discontinuation of Y2Y and I am being candid and real....I do not expect it to return soon or if ever. Sorry to be that guy. But I am just being a realist and using my common sense.

What changed was it is being made for XBOX now and cross play across PS4/XBOX one and PS5 and XBOX X. That....right there is the reason the code is not going to work....or at least the bulk of the reason. My opinion. Not a fact. But I am pretty confident it had a huge amount to do with it being dropped.

And that is fine. I get it. I have no sour grapes about it actually. Why?

We have MLB 16-20 to enjoy for years and years on the PS4 and PS5 and we can check back in on how the series is doing in a few years.

Because I am sure the game should play great (although the three modes of play BS has me very concerned now as far as the core coding of the game moving forward and that is a whole other story and one that will not play out until people actually play the new game) as they always make a quality product. But I am not going to start over. I would have to be blown away to do that. And that can take cycles like it did on the PS4.

Going back and playing 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19 again.....the series did not feel next gen till 17.....and that was a transition year because 18 19 and 20 are clearly better titles in terms of game play (iMO).

So there we have it. No big deal. The world is not ending. We have previous titles to enjoy the hell out of.

I am not a DD player. I could care less about March To October. I am a long time hard core franchise player, who takes pure joy in the grind of playing 162...every year, for multiple years of franchise.

That is where my magic with baseball happens. Storylines, high's and lows, player development, draft picks coming up through the system, etc etc etc.

[lemarflacco]

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100% agree with that. No one has to buy a game every year.

I am going to copy and paste my true feelings and final thoughts for now (until we get more info on the new game) about Y2Y.

I think you have a few camps emerging here.

Those that feel Y2Y will come back again and that the reasons for ditching it outweigh the benefits for the long term growth of the game (better franchise mode, better rosters, ratings etc).

Then you have a camp that could give a rat’s *** about it and think it is no big deal and to be frank....who cares about that camp. They are not in the niche community we have here in terms of the every pitch, every inning, deep immersive franchise experience that we get from taking that approach and had this gift of a feature (Y2Y saves) so we can enjoy the “incremental” improvements to gameplay while continuing to enjoy our virtual baseball universe (and oh BTW the 10’s of thousands of hours that have been poured into classic/fictional/fantasy rosters by our incredible roster community here at OS).

And then you have the camp I fall into.....I think this post clearly states where I am at with all of it. And I am actually in a great place with the series, which has been nothing short of amazing for me going on 12 years and it will keep going no doubt!

I do not disagree with those sentiments what so ever in terms of maybe it needed to be done to advance the series.

The hope is the game is getting newer features that will hopefully make Franchise mode and rosters better than ever.

I have no ill will towards SDS if that is the plan and the vision.

I just think the tea leaves of the general direction of solo offline franchise mode players is a dying mode and type of player. Let’s be real about it.

I think SDS is a great developer. They have given us an amazing series of baseball games that I am still playing and enjoying immensely.

My sentiment is, it is just sad to see 10’s of thousands of hours of work.....vaporized on the move from PS4 to PS5 where we were all looking forward to carrying forward this incredible body of work.

Pure speculation on my part....but my spidey sense is tingling very strong that MLB 21 will not even come close to expectations in terms of expanded rosters and franchise “updates’ (as they now word it) to overcome the loss of Y2Y and the immense catalog of work that has been created over the last 7 cycles.

yeah and I know people love to come in and post “we don’t know”...but let’s be real...we do. Age and wisdom has some benefits folks.

I think the optimist in me hopes that by 2023 the game’s franchise mode will be a lot better. But again I question just really how much is going to fundamentally change from what we have now which IMO is a very strong, and deep franchise mode for a console game. Please do not compare The Show to OOTP baseball. A huge and common mistake made around here. We are talking about two different animals.

You see those of us (and it is a very small %) that play every inning and every pitch and every game are getting all this game has to offer in it’s current state and have been extremely happy playing our franchise and having the benefit of Y2Y to get the new gameplay improvements every year. It really was a landmark franchise feature and IMO the greatest feature ever introduced to console sport gaming.

So instead being an every cycle purchase for those of us immersed in our virtual baseball universe....it will be a once in every 3 or 4 cycle? I mean I played MVP 2005 for 5 straight years until I finally moved on to the PS3 and MLB The Show 2009.

Once 14 dropped on the PS4 I knew I could transfer my file every cycle. It was so awesome.

So.....think about what I have posted and then think about what really changed on the move to PS5 that would prompt the discontinuation of Y2Y and I am being candid and real....I do not expect it to return soon or if ever. Sorry to be that guy. But I am just being a realist and using my common sense.

What changed was it is being made for XBOX now and cross play across PS4/XBOX one and PS5 and XBOX X. That....right there is the reason the code is not going to work....or at least the bulk of the reason. My opinion. Not a fact. But I am pretty confident it had a huge amount to do with it being dropped.

And that is fine. I get it. I have no sour grapes about it actually. Why?

We have MLB 16-20 to enjoy for years and years on the PS4 and PS5 and we can check back in on how the series is doing in a few years.

Because I am sure the game should play great (although the three modes of play BS has me very concerned now as far as the core coding of the game moving forward and that is a whole other story and one that will not play out until people actually play the new game) as they always make a quality product. But I am not going to start over. I would have to be blown away to do that. And that can take cycles like it did on the PS4.

Going back and playing 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19 again.....the series did not feel next gen till 17.....and that was a transition year because 18 19 and 20 are clearly better titles in terms of game play (iMO).

So there we have it. No big deal. The world is not ending. We have previous titles to enjoy the hell out of.

I am not a DD player. I could care less about March To October. I am a long time hard core franchise player, who takes pure joy in the grind of playing 162...every year, for multiple years of franchise.

That is where my magic with baseball happens. Storylines, high's and lows, player development, draft picks coming up through the system, etc etc etc.

Jesus H Christ. You just wrote the obituary based on your "spidey senses", as you call them. Relax bro. Don't torture yourself. We'll be getting news soon enough. Could just be something as simple as changing the ratings system or roster constraints so y2y saves werent capable this year. Maybe it has to do with the next gen?

I just dont understand. They said "this year" , there wont be y2y saves and everyone is making these grandiose proclamations that the game is dead, they're not buying it next year , etc lmao

[jrnlgrn]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

Even if y2y saves did comeback, those that have been carrying over their franchises for many years are still out of luck. So let's say they brought back y2y for 22, it's unlikely a save from a game prior to '21 would be able to be carried over if re-implemented. All those players that have long running franchises starting prior to '21 are almost certainly going to have to eulogize those saves if they want to move on to the newest game. It's a decision everyone has to make on their own "Is what's new going forward worth stopping this thing i've built over years and years or do I stick with what I have"

[tribefanisu2003]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

Even if y2y saves did comeback, those that have been carrying over their franchises for many years are still out of luck. So let's say they brought back y2y for 22, it's unlikely a save from a game prior to '21 would be able to be carried over if re-implemented. All those players that have long running franchises starting prior to '21 are almost certainly going to have to eulogize those saves if they want to move on to the newest game. It's a decision everyone has to make on their own "Is what's new going forward worth stopping this thing i've built over years and years or do I stick with what I have"

So in your scenario, I actually don't mind if they say "yeah it's coming back, but your save files from 20 won't have any way of making it over to 22", that's actually ok with me personally, I'd still make the leap to 21, start a fresh new franchise and play that throughout the PS5's life cycle. But, if they can't confirm that it's coming back at any point? I'm not buying it again until they do confirm that it will be. In which case, I'll join the others that are saying "eh, I'll just stick with 20 then."

Now, I'm a bit different from Armor and countryboy and others, in that my carry over save is only in its 3rd season, so I have less detachment to my team than they do. However - after having Y2Y saves become a thing, I can't envision myself ever playing a baseball franchise again without it. Even if I only buy the game every other year, I can only see myself getting through MAYBE 3 seasons in that time, and even that is stretching it.

I love The Show, but I just can't see myself investing time in a baseball franchise mode where I have to start over every year. Madden and the future NCAA Football are a different story. You can get through 5-8 years in a single cycle with those games if you want, see your players develop, see the leagues really change with roster turnover, etc. But with MLB? You're drafting guys who are sometimes up to 4 or 5 seasons away from even playing on your MLB roster. So outside of simming several seasons, you'll never see these guys without the Y2Y save feature.