Question for franchise mode users

[tessl]

At the beginning of the season the game automatically sets my 26 man roster and it is never the same as the one I prefer. If I send a man down to the minors even prior to spring training it forces me to use a option for that player.

For example I have a first baseman who I am developing with the intent of him being an everyday MLB player. At the beginning of the offseason I sent him to A ball. Then I renewed his contract. Spring training starts and he is on the MLB roster again. If I send him down it used an option. After three seasons I'm forced to keep him in MLB and can't develop him any further without exposing him to waivers.

This is contrary to how MLB works IRL.

Is there a workaround for this?

[CBoller1331]

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At the beginning of the season the game automatically sets my 26 man roster and it is never the same as the one I prefer. If I send a man down to the minors even prior to spring training it forces me to use a option for that player.

For example I have a first baseman who I am developing with the intent of him being an everyday MLB player. At the beginning of the offseason I sent him to A ball. Then I renewed his contract. Spring training starts and he is on the MLB roster again. If I send him down it used an option. After three seasons I'm forced to keep him in MLB and can't develop him any further without exposing him to waivers.

This is contrary to how MLB works IRL.

Is there a workaround for this?

That is actually how it works IRL if I'm not mistaken....that's why many prospects who are close but still need work in the minors are left off the 40-man rosters and are invited to Spring Training as NRIs. The Rule-5 draft adds a wrinkle where players can be left off the 40-man for like 4-5 years after signing/being drafted, but after that they are eligible to be selected by another club in the Rule 5 draft in December. (those numbers could be off, but I know it changes for drafted players and International free agents.

That's why in order for Spring Training to be worth playing (for my tastes) they would have to add NRIs in the future

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[tessl]

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That is actually how it works IRL if I'm not mistaken....that's why many prospects who are close but still need work in the minors are left off the 40-man rosters and are invited to Spring Training as NRIs. The Rule-5 draft adds a wrinkle where players can be left off the 40-man for like 4-5 years after signing/being drafted, but after that they are eligible to be selected by another club in the Rule 5 draft in December. (those numbers could be off, but I know it changes for drafted players and International free agents.

That's why in order for Spring Training to be worth playing (for my tastes) they would have to add NRIs in the future

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This is the guy's second year. He was drafted in the 2019 amateur draft. I'm beginning the 2021 season. I went back to the beginning of the 2020 off season, removed him from the 40 man roster and he was immediately claimed off waivers.

[CBoller1331]

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This is the guy's second year. He was drafted in the 2019 amateur draft. I'm beginning the 2021 season. I went back to the beginning of the 2020 off season, removed him from the 40 man roster and he was immediately claimed off waivers.

Yeah I guess I should have noted that the Rule-5 draft is not implemented correctly in the game. I believe every player not on the 40-man is eligible in game. There is no 4-5 year "safe" period in the game.

And yeah that's why you dont add someone to the 40 man until you know he is really close to big league ready because by removing him he gets placed on waivers, and adding him too soon would use up his option years before he is potentially ready

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[tessl]

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Yeah I guess I should have noted that the Rule-5 draft is not implemented correctly in the game. I believe every player not on the 40-man is eligible in game. There is no 4-5 year "safe" period in the game.

And yeah that's why you dont add someone to the 40 man until you know he is really close to big league ready because by removing him he gets placed on waivers, and adding him too soon would use up his option years before he is potentially ready

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It would be nice instead of spending time on worthless options like retro mode and critical situations they would fix the boilerplate things that are broken in the game.

[Funkycorm]

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To my knowledge the rule 5 is implemented correctly.

It is 4 or 5 years safe depending on age being off the 40 man roster before they become draft eligible. If you sim years into the future you will see it work correctly as the number of eligible players grows each year across the league.

As far as the options go for the OP prospect, if you added that player to the 40 man from the get go the game will put him on the mlb roster for spring training and it will cost you an option to send him down each time.

What I do is never put any prospect on the 40 man until they are near MLB ready or I want to keep them long term and they are rule 5 eligible.

You develop that player for 3 to 4 years in the minors, AA is the best for this, before adding them to the 40 man.

These rules are correct to my knowledge and are there to keep teams from roster hoarding players MLB ready away from other teams.

Also make sure your roster management options are all set to manual.

[kinsmen7]

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Yeah I guess I should have noted that the Rule-5 draft is not implemented correctly in the game. I believe every player not on the 40-man is eligible in game. There is no 4-5 year "safe" period in the game.

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I think it has more to do with the rosters that we use (ie. Ridin's full minors, etc.) and the fact that it's literally impossible to have those players with the correct year that they were drafted/signed implemented, than it has to do with the rule-5 draft not being implemented into the game correctly, but I could be wrong.

[Funkycorm]

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I think it has more to do with the rosters that we use (ie. Ridin's full minors, etc.) and the fact that it's literally impossible to have those players with the correct year that they were drafted/signed implemented, than it has to do with the rule-5 draft not being implemented into the game correctly, but I could be wrong.

This is correct. It is one of the many downsides to the rosters in this game especially custom rosters.

It's why as I said above that the number eligible increases each year in the game.

The draft if implemented correctly it just takes a few years to be fully functional.

[TheWarmWind]

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This is the guy's second year. He was drafted in the 2019 amateur draft. I'm beginning the 2021 season. I went back to the beginning of the 2020 off season, removed him from the 40 man roster and he was immediately claimed off waivers.

If he was put on the 40 man roster, either by you or the CPU, the rule 5 no longer applies. They can be claimed of waivers if removed. If he's on the 40 man he uses up an option if he is not on the 26 man to start the MLB season, no matter what. I'm 90% sure that's how it works in real life.

Also I'm just going to dump this link here for future reference: https://forums.operationsports.com/f...ent-guide.html

[CBoller1331]

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I think it has more to do with the rosters that we use (ie. Ridin's full minors, etc.) and the fact that it's literally impossible to have those players with the correct year that they were drafted/signed implemented, than it has to do with the rule-5 draft not being implemented into the game correctly, but I could be wrong.

Yep I've used custom "full minors" rosters and seen some wonky stuff. I guess it makes sense how things down the road work more like real life. So I suppose I rescind my "isnt implemented properly comment" and change it to "doesn't work well with custom rosters"

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[Funkycorm]

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Yep I've used custom "full minors" rosters and seen some wonky stuff. I guess it makes sense how things down the road work more like real life. So I suppose I rescind my "isnt implemented properly comment" and change it to "doesn't work well with custom rosters"

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Unfortunately it is a universal flaw amongst all rosters, custom and default, that most of the rule 5 eligible players don't show up for a few years.

Combine that with the default rosters in 20 being sub par and sharing the same big flaw of inflated potentials that every other current real roster has and it makes franchise seem less realistic rules wise for a few years.

I actually still use my 2019 end of year roster for any franchise I start on 20 because it fixes the potential problem that all the current real updated rosters have. What I am referring to is that in 3 to 5 years all teams have multiple 90 plus overall players and you have players in their prime with 85 overall ratings sitting untouched in free agency. Even bottom dwellers will have a few 90 overall players and entire MLB rosters will have players 80 plus even coming off the bench.

It just sucks that we can't really fix this rule 5 draft issue the first 3 to 4 seasons.

[tessl]

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To my knowledge the rule 5 is implemented correctly.

It is 4 or 5 years safe depending on age being off the 40 man roster before they become draft eligible. If you sim years into the future you will see it work correctly as the number of eligible players grows each year across the league.

As far as the options go for the OP prospect, if you added that player to the 40 man from the get go the game will put him on the mlb roster for spring training and it will cost you an option to send him down each time.

What I do is never put any prospect on the 40 man until they are near MLB ready or I want to keep them long term and they are rule 5 eligible.

You develop that player for 3 to 4 years in the minors, AA is the best for this, before adding them to the 40 man.

These rules are correct to my knowledge and are there to keep teams from roster hoarding players MLB ready away from other teams.

Also make sure your roster management options are all set to manual.

I've known that's how it is supposed to work but my memory - which isn't perfect - is that in a previous version of the game you had to put your first year players on the 40 man or they would be in the rule 5 draft.

I checked and it appears you are correct.

The second issue is options. It appears the only players on the 40 man who use an option when they don't make the 26 man out of spring training are players the user sends down to the minors. I have multiple players on my 40 man who didn't make the 26 and still have 3 options. It does seem a little odd that the cpu picks my 26 but not a huge issue. There were only 2 players I sent down and none of the players the cpu excluded from the 26 used an option. I'm pretty sure unless MLB changed the rule everybody who is on the 40 but doesn't make the 26 uses an option. There is also a way for a player to get a 4th option.

Seems like it would be a relatively easy fix. Thanks for the helpful reply.

[Red_Ted_is_back]

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It would be nice instead of spending time on worthless options like retro mode and critical situations they would fix the boilerplate things that are broken in the game.

Retro mode: agreed, waste of time but it didn’t take long to develop. From memory one guy worked on it one night in his own time and it was almost done.

Critical situations: absolute necessity to ensure the longevity of Franchise mode. Along with year to year saves, probably the best feature in the game.

But in essence, I agree. Spend more time fixing what’s under the hood than decorating the hood.


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[tessl]

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Retro mode: agreed, waste of time but it didn’t take long to develop. From memory one guy worked on it one night in his own time and it was almost done.

Critical situations: absolute necessity to ensure the longevity of Franchise mode. Along with year to year saves, probably the best feature in the game.

But in essence, I agree. Spend more time fixing what’s under the hood than decorating the hood.


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Critical situations only helps people who sim a lot of games. If I was simming games I'd buy OOTP. To spend developer time on that when boilerplate MLB rules aren't being followed in franchise is poor decision.

[countryboy]

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Critical situations only helps people who sim a lot of games. If I was simming games I'd buy OOTP. To spend developer time on that when boilerplate MLB rules aren't being followed in franchise is poor decision.

And some people choose to sim and play games to help get through a 162 game season. Your individual style of play doesn't solely dictate what is right for, nor how the game should be played by, the Show consumer base as a whole.

What "boilerplate MLB rules" aren't being followed?

If a player is on the 40 man roster and he is not on the teams active 26 man roster on Opening Day, then he must be optioned to the minor leagues.