The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

[Armor and Sword]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

I've said it many times;

If monetization is the only way to get the things we want (jerseys, managers, stadiums, logos..) then I'll pay.

I've got my Visa card in hand, ready to swipe for roster customization tools. $50.. $100.. $150... name your price, SDS!!!

There are simply not enough of “us” to make the ends justify the means for what you want.

And I certainly do not want to have to pay for things that should be in the only console simulation MLB baseball game.

I am quite content with what I have on MLB 16-20 on the PS4 Pro. Anything more for me moving forward will be gravy. And my expectations are so very low now. The direction is quite clear.

Diamond Dynasty is the absolute priority. Online competitive play is the absolute priority. That is where most of the resources and development are going...and have ben going for a little while.

Someone mentioned MLB The Show has the worst franchise mode of the major sports. I will disagree.

Maddens owner mode stinks.

NBA 2K customization is top of the line.....but it is riddled with bugs. I mean game breaking bugs where playing long term franchises are virtually impossible.

I think NHL has done a great job with expansion mode and scouting. But has a lot to be desired as far as presentation and their franchise feeling alive.

MLB’s Franchise mode in it’s current state needs work. Make no mistake. But I have had more than enough tools to have a fantastic franchise experience as a play every pitch every inning player.

Y2Y saves was what gave this game the true edge. And content that has been created over the PS4 era has been second to none.

I would love a customization suite that Chase talks about......but it is useless for me if we are losing all the content that has been labored over the last 6 years. Such a shame. I was really looking forward to the content carrying on.

This roster community will be starting from ground zero. And before someone chimes in and say’s “not confirmed” get real, realize that Y2Y was the way we moved things. It’s gone. And that roster import feature will be to. The silence on that question which has been asked multiple times.....speaks loudly.

Now....if the removal of Y2Y allows all these great “updates” we have all been clamoring for, for franchise mode and creation. I am all for it.

But I know better.

This is going down a path of cross play, cross gen this, online competitive that.

Sorry to be negative Nancy.....just being real and honest. I am not going to sit here and act like I cannot see what is going on.

Thank god we have that library of MLB 16-20 to play for years and years to come. So I am good.

Hoping for the best for the future of this franchise though. Make no mistake. I hope I have to eat a lot of crow for not believing!!!

But I doubt it.

Gameplay wise....I am sure they will pump out a great game. They always do. And maybe one day in a few years.....I will want to start over if it is that worth it too.

Peace.

[orioles0615]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

I'm wondering if the video for last week was pulled due to high expectations of the community?

Reading the social media from MLB Show asking what questions people have its really clear people have high expectations and are demanding things like 3 team trades, more trade spots, improved ai, relocation etc.

I'm just curious if after reading the sky high expectations the community has after hearing of a franchise "revamp " that they paused the video for now?

Obviously pure speculation, but the other videos have been in line with order they posted for info, with DD picking right up. They mentioned new videos every Tuesday and Thursday in February....

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My initial thought was they were going to re shoot it because Tatis just got his new contract. But who knows. I am so glad OOTP exists, each year The Show for me just keeps getting more boring and I feel like I am done with it after a month.

[Therebelyell626]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

As Armor said, NHL has made some great strides over the last couple of years. Although hockey is only like my 4th favorite sport to watch, the NhL series is the sports title I most look forward to now each year. Although gameplay is not on par with the show it still provides much more things to do and manage when I am not on the ice. Gameplay can only take you so far, otherwise it just feels like I am playing a bunch of play now games. I need to feel like their are story lines playing out off the field to keep my interest in the gameplay going. Otherwise what does it matter if I just hit two home runs in a game with Mike Trout.

Also like Armor said, my expectations are very low. Lower than they have ever been for sports gaming as a whole. In the fortnite/ gta V era online modes are king. Why wouldn’t they be. No one is going to turn away millions of 14-25 year olds willing to hand over their or their parents hard earned cash. It is what it is. I am not denying the devs passion for this title, but at the end of the day it is still a profession. I think if the suits at Sony could just completely eliminate the resources and time put in to franchise mode completely they probably would. There really is no milk to be had from that bull so to speak.

Even when the franchise news drops I am not expecting anything big or ground breaking. I think it’s also very telling we did not get a video last week. Call me cynical but experience tells me that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... you know the rest:

[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Thank god we have that library of MLB 16-20 to play for years and years to come. So I am good.

I'll be good with that, once we get the roster tools we need. Thats all I really care about.

I can't go on building rosters the way we are. Not in comparison to the tools available with the other sports titles.

[jrnlgrn]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Having to make a game run on old hardware has to be holding back some features. If you just want a fancy coat of paint and fluff to give the illusion of new then they can continue as is. If you want smarter AI and other things that need processing speed then you need a system that can handle it. Until PS4 and the Xbox (whatever it was called prior to now gen) become just legacy editions we’ll never get a revamped franchise. That's if they even decide to put the effort into franchise to begin with. So hopefully in 2 or 3 years if the motivation from the people in charge deem it acceptable we'll finally get a vastly improved franchise. Until then the under the hood things will lag behind and remain mostly the same.

[eric7064]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

There are simply not enough of “us” to make the ends justify the means for what you want.

And I certainly do not want to have to pay for things that should be in the only console simulation MLB baseball game.

I am quite content with what I have on MLB 16-20 on the PS4 Pro. Anything more for me moving forward will be gravy. And my expectations are so very low now. The direction is quite clear.

Diamond Dynasty is the absolute priority. Online competitive play is the absolute priority. That is where most of the resources and development are going...and have ben going for a little while.

Someone mentioned MLB The Show has the worst franchise mode of the major sports. I will disagree.

Maddens owner mode stinks.

NBA 2K customization is top of the line.....but it is riddled with bugs. I mean game breaking bugs where playing long term franchises are virtually impossible.

I think NHL has done a great job with expansion mode and scouting. But has a lot to be desired as far as presentation and their franchise feeling alive.

MLB’s Franchise mode in it’s current state needs work. Make no mistake. But I have had more than enough tools to have a fantastic franchise experience as a play every pitch every inning player.

Y2Y saves was what gave this game the true edge. And content that has been created over the PS4 era has been second to none.

I would love a customization suite that Chase talks about......but it is useless for me if we are losing all the content that has been labored over the last 6 years. Such a shame. I was really looking forward to the content carrying on.

This roster community will be starting from ground zero. And before someone chimes in and say’s “not confirmed” get real, realize that Y2Y was the way we moved things. It’s gone. And that roster import feature will be to. The silence on that question which has been asked multiple times.....speaks loudly.

Now....if the removal of Y2Y allows all these great “updates” we have all been clamoring for, for franchise mode and creation. I am all for it.

But I know better.

This is going down a path of cross play, cross gen this, online competitive that.

Sorry to be negative Nancy.....just being real and honest. I am not going to sit here and act like I cannot see what is going on.

Thank god we have that library of MLB 16-20 to play for years and years to come. So I am good.

Hoping for the best for the future of this franchise though. Make no mistake. I hope I have to eat a lot of crow for not believing!!!

But I doubt it.

Gameplay wise....I am sure they will pump out a great game. They always do. And maybe one day in a few years.....I will want to start over if it is that worth it too.

Peace.

The Show is worse than madden. It's not close imo.

I play 6+ seasons a year in a show cycle (40ish games a season) and I am currently in 2037 in a Madden franchise with a friend. So I play both religiously.

In madden there are not constant workarounds I have to deal with. Upping prospect ratings every year or else they will never debut, consistently checking CPU rosters to make sure they are working properly. I have to dip my hands in many different functions of the mode. In Madden I can trust the game to work as intended.

The CPU uses like 2 relievers all year. There are so many issues in the Show's franchise mode. The actual game is 10000% better than madden. But I honestly do not see where people think The Show actually has a more in-depth mode, or where they think its "better".

For those that actually get semi-deep into the Show they know there are many issues the deeper you get into a franchise.

Madden is not great. But has quite a bit more in terms of franchise than MLB in nearly every facet of the game.

[Jolly Roger]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

What I find interesting is that, sure, fantasy team modes based on card collecting/transactions are obviously very popular, but...look at all these "simulator" games that are out there. Farming Simulator, Truck Simulator, that Jurassic Park game where you try to build a successful park...what this tells us is that people also really enjoy games in which they have to manage various administrative tasks as part of a broader program or goal. I know when I lived in the UK for a year, Football Manager seemed almost as popular as FIFA/PES.

I mean...c'mon Show...just try to make Franchise mode more engrossing and see what happens. I think if you build it, we will come.

[My993C2]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Not saying franchise players should not be asking for a better franchise mode. But the MLB The Show series will never come remotely close to what you can do in the "Out of the Park" baseball game. If people want a deep franchise baseball simulation, OOTP can do it now. You just need to give up on all the fancy in game, game play graphics the MLB The Show game gives us.

[MDL2JC]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

All I truly want in Franchise Mode, is the ability to change the amount of games and innings you play in a season like we use to be able to do in Season Mode. I don’t like to simulate games but I can never dedicate the amount of time it requires to play a full 162 - 9 innings. Since the Show 17, the most games I’ve been able to finish in Franchise is about 40 games.

I don’t understand why they’ve never been able to add this tiny addition since they removed season mode.


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[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Not saying franchise players should not be asking for a better franchise mode. But the MLB The Show series will never come remotely close to what you can do in the "Out of the Park" baseball game. If people want a deep franchise baseball simulation, OOTP can do it now. You just need to give up on all the fancy in game, game play graphics the MLB The Show game gives us.

I agree with that, overwhelmingly... but I don't own a 4k tv to stare at graphics from World Series Baseball '95.

[tessl]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Logo creation already exists in the game. If you checkout farmers logo you will find the one I created with the existing art program in the game. It's a windmill with the sun in the background. It's an easy program to work with once you figure out how to use it.

Carry over saves is one of very few make or break options in the game. It's not a franchise if you can't carry it over. They need to provide a detailed explanation of why the eliminated carry over and whether it will return.

I'd hate to throw away my current carry over but would probably do so if they guaranteed carry over saves would resume in mlbts22. Anything short of that and I'll have to pass on mlbts21 which will be first time I haven't bought the game on day one.

[Ranger Fan]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Just rotate the inner league schedule. The reluctance to address this simple issue is mind boggling. Put the same options in MOM as the options in any other mode. Right now there are no rain delays or plyer challenges. Stop having guys hit the damn ball to the wall unless its Fenway and runners stop for a single. A much better AI for automated base running is needed, Fix the bullpen usage where CPU relievers don't have 100 appearances at end of the year. Put more injuries in the game. To many day to day. Very few players especially pitchers make it through all their starts. Its amazing how 15 years ago we had options like Build a park, Rain Delays, Expansion but here we are with this generation and the experts cant figure out or care about little stuff like rotating a damn schedule

[Cide]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Not saying franchise players should not be asking for a better franchise mode. But the MLB The Show series will never come remotely close to what you can do in the "Out of the Park" baseball game. If people want a deep franchise baseball simulation, OOTP can do it now. You just need to give up on all the fancy in game, game play graphics the MLB The Show game gives us.

Probably not for long. OOTP has been trending towards microtransactions with the perfect team mode the last couple years and they just got bought out by a Korean mobile game company. It's not looking good for simulation sports fans in general sadly.

[MetsFan16]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

It’s clear that DD earns SDS more money than franchise does. The player base is larger and the microtransactions is just money straight into their pocket.

It’s sad for the Franchise Players here but that is just the nature of business.

Now, SDS should also be able to recognize that Franchise still has loyal users and I’m sure a lot of players at least dabble into the mode. If they were to focus energy and resources into the mode, it could reach great heights. Maybe with the introduction to Xbox, the resources will grow exponentially to allow them to do so.

I have a few wishes for franchise that would greatly improve it in my opinion,
Rotating inter league schedule, revamped Scouting that brings young players up to MLB stardom quicker (you see more and more 20-21 year olds making an impact in the majors today than you did 10 years ago), Commissioner options that allow you to change rules and realign divisions/playoff structures throughout the life of the franchise.


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[Armor and Sword]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Not saying franchise players should not be asking for a better franchise mode. But the MLB The Show series will never come remotely close to what you can do in the "Out of the Park" baseball game. If people want a deep franchise baseball simulation, OOTP can do it now. You just need to give up on all the fancy in game, game play graphics the MLB The Show game gives us.

And actually playing. I am content with what I got right now.

And OOTPB is a tremendous simulation no doubt. They do an amazing job for that type of game.


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