The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

[eric7064]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

I've seen you make this statement before. Curious what do you find as a fair price for these DLC/micro-tranactions that would ultimately need to be purchased yearly by the consumer.

Id personally be comfortable paying $100 a year for OOTP type depth with the gameplay of the show. Not sure I would play any other sports game at that point.

I know people say we should not have too. And I agree, but I gladly would hand over $100 over every year for that type of upgrade.

[CBoller1331]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

I don't think I can stress this point enough -- SDS claims that the data show that franchise users rarely make it through one year, and they use that as an excuse to NOT make improvements to the mode but RATHER drum up "more ways to play" as the so-called improvements.

SDS, TAKE A STATS CLASS.

It's at least as likely -- hell, almost certain -- that the stat represents USER DISSATISFACTION WITH THE MODE. Why go longer than a year when all the cpu-generated prospects suck, or the cpu makes horrible trades, or scouting sucks, or generational talents languish in free agency...?

Data is just data. SDS should reach out to see WHY the numbers are what they are.

I don't think that is the case. While the mode is a little bit bare bones, I think the fact that the season is a 162 game marathon is a much bigger reason why people do not make it a full season. It's hard to make 162 games not feel repetitive. That's why, while MTO certainly has its problems, I think it's a decent idea to make a full season mode feel a bit more manageable. I definitely see how it is not be what the hardcore-every-pitch-of-every-game crowd is looking for though.

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[SmashMan]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

I don't think I can stress this point enough -- SDS claims that the data show that franchise users rarely make it through one year, and they use that as an excuse to NOT make improvements to the mode but RATHER drum up "more ways to play" as the so-called improvements.

SDS, TAKE A STATS CLASS.

It's at least as likely -- hell, almost certain -- that the stat represents USER DISSATISFACTION WITH THE MODE. Why go longer than a year when all the cpu-generated prospects suck, or the cpu makes horrible trades, or scouting sucks, or generational talents languish in free agency...?

Data is just data. SDS should reach out to see WHY the numbers are what they are.

You think people rarely make it through one season because of issues that have most effect in later seasons? Not sure that logic tracks.

[KSUowls]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

You think people rarely make it through one season because of issues that have most effect in later seasons? Not sure that logic tracks.

I think the logic is sound, buy I think that other things need to be included.

If you play 1 season and then start noticing issues in ladder seasons then you don't have a reason to continue playing those ladder seasons.

The other thing that I would add, is if the franchise mode lacks depth from the start (as has long been the case) then people are going to get burned out on it even before they get to those long term issues.

I think there definitely is a bit of "if you build it they will come" with franchise. In this case they aren't building it and people aren't coming.

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[Madden08PCgmr]

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I've seen you make this statement before. Curious what do you find as a fair price for these DLC/micro-tranactions that would ultimately need to be purchased yearly by the consumer.

Thats a hard question to answer.

Would I be sold a jersey bundle? Or individual jerseys?

Would I pay to belt homers over the right field Kingdome wall?.. you had better believe it!! How much? Depends how authentic it is.

I think it would come down to; is this the only way to justify the man hours to put these things in teh game (for SDS) or is it just blatant price gauging?

.. a PC release solves all of this. Fans would (eventually) do this work for SDS.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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The other thing that I would add, is if the franchise mode lacks depth from the start (as has long been the case) then people are going to get burned out on it even before they get to those long term issues.

I think there definitely is a bit of "if you build it they will come" with franchise. In this case they aren't building it and people aren't coming.

They never should have cut out season mode.

[SmashMan]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

I think the logic is sound, buy I think that other things need to be included.

If you play 1 season and then start noticing issues in ladder seasons then you don't have a reason to continue playing those ladder seasons.

I don't know what SDS' data shows exactly, just going off this poster's phrasing of "claims that the data show that franchise users rarely make it through one year", which (if true) reads to me as if users don't even make it for a complete season, not that they backed out mid-way through another year or whatever.

People just aren't going to notice issues that pop up later if they tap out before getting there.

The other thing that I would add, is if the franchise mode lacks depth from the start (as has long been the case) then people are going to get burned out on it even before they get to those long term issues.

I think there definitely is a bit of "if you build it they will come" with franchise. In this case they aren't building it and people aren't coming.

Lacks depth for who, though? For me, you, and probably most of the guys here who have been playing The Show for years and years? Yeah.

For the player who maybe just plays DD and is thinking about getting into Franchise, or someone who usually just plays exhibition casually, or even a former season mode player...is it lacking depth for them? Are they overwhelmed by the options that currently exist?

[Fuimus Troes]

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You think people rarely make it through one season because of issues that have most effect in later seasons? Not sure that logic tracks.

The assumption is that people know how messed up the mode is long-term. I don't think that's some hidden bit of info that only comes to light AFTER a full season. Seeing prospect attributes post-draft is enough, sometimes.

These forums exist. People know the problems are there. They still start new franchises because franchise is there.

Yes, the logic tracks.

[Fuimus Troes]

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For the player who maybe just plays DD and is thinking about getting into Franchise, or someone who usually just plays exhibition casually, or even a former season mode player...is it lacking depth for them? Are they overwhelmed by the options that currently exist?

You don't create a franchise mode with those people in mind.

That's how you make a great franchise mode.

[jrnlgrn]

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Thats a hard question to answer.

Would I be sold a jersey bundle? Or individual jerseys?

Would I pay to belt homers over the right field Kingdome wall?.. you had better believe it!! How much? Depends how authentic it is.

I think it would come down to; is this the only way to justify the man hours to put these things in teh game (for SDS) or is it just blatant price gauging?

.. a PC release solves all of this. Fans would (eventually) do this work for SDS.

I guess this is where the idea loses me. Would feel more like the company doesn't value my $70 enough to provide me with the best product they can. I just don't trust a company to not gouge us for things that should be standard parts of mode.

Like classic stadiums make sense as DLC as that's more of a niche thing as with some throwback jerseys. A throwback jersey can go either way though as if a team regularly wears certain throwbacks they should be part of the game by default.

If it's true extra items being added then DLC/micro-transations are easier to take. If it's just content being cut for the sake of making money on it then that's where I get hung up.

[Armor and Sword]

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I guess this is where the idea loses me. Would feel more like the company doesn't value my $70 enough to provide me with the best product they can. I just don't trust a company to not gouge us for things that should be standard parts of mode.

Like classic stadiums make sense as DLC as that's more of a niche thing as with some throwback jerseys. A throwback jersey can go either way though as if a team regularly wears certain throwbacks they should be part of the game by default.

If it's true extra items being added then DLC/micro-transations are easier to take. If it's just content being cut for the sake of make money on it then that's where I get hung up.

With the amount of money generated by DD we should never have to pay extra for any of it.

Period.


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[Funkycorm]

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I'm convinced pay-to-play is the only way franchise modes will improve going forward. For all sports titles.. and I am completely fine with that.

I am not convinced it's the way to go. Most free to play and pay to win or unlock "cool things" games are just flat out bad. Look at fortnite, path of exile, and others. They are horrible games in my opinion.

I think pay to play ideas for franchises are a bad idea and would actually make the gameplay worse. You would make it almost like a subscription it sounds like. You would run into so many more issues with this.

There isn't a way to make franchise better without just commiting to it as a company and we know sports title companies won't because it is not their money maker. But would making these things purchases make them huge money makers? No. If I want an enhanced franchise, I buy it once for $50. But if I want a full team of superstar players I pay $200. This is an example. I don't spend a penny on modes like DD.

This is the inheritant problem with this idea. It may make them more money but still won't out perform what they do now with a year their yearly sales of players buying the game for franchise mode.

I understand your premise in this but this is not a solution.

[jrnlgrn]

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With the amount of money generated by DD we should never have to pay extra for any of it.

Period.


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Oh yeah totally agree.

Madden08 has mentioned the idea a few times and I was just curious to hear more on their thoughts.

Unless someone show me otherwise, micro-transations are just a way to further increase revenue and make investors happy. These sports titles weren't struggling prior to these card collecting games.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Oh yeah totally agree.

Madden08 has mentioned the idea a few times and I was just curious to hear more on their thoughts.

Unless someone show me otherwise, micro-transations are just a way to further increase revenue and make investors happy. These sports titles weren't struggling prior to these card collecting games.

Not at all. Not the good ones at least.


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[Madden08PCgmr]

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This is the inheritant problem with this idea. It may make them more money but still won't out perform what they do now with a year their yearly sales of players buying the game for franchise mode.

I don't believe that would be the case, if they did it right, and offered solid content.

All these sports titles could have done more for themselves if they hadn't pigeon holed themselves into the same box. Madden especially. They could have 3 or 4 standalone games that could be profitable. They could have a coach game, a franchise game, a career game. Same with baseball.

Teh bread and butter will always be 'arcade' version. That shouldn't be universally tied to teh rest. And they've done themselves, and us, a ridiculous disservice making it that way.