The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

[Funkycorm]

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Well what people don't understand with the 'who cares what other people spend doesn't effect you comments'' is that them spending money on that mode is what is making them money and why it is effecting you THUS no need to work on franchise mode at all.. and all the focus can be on the DD mode.

but anyway if people are happy with people spending money on DD mode then don't complain that franchise mode is being ignored all the time because not caring is part of the reason.

I dont think this is a fair argument.

Why can't someone like both? Can I not be a fan of DD and franchise both? Will a black hole form if I play both in the same gaming session?

Also as a consumer of a product don't I have the right to complain about it?

Also as a consumer, don't I have a right to spend my money how I choose?

You don't like it, that's cool but there are plenty who do and plenty who play DD without spending money.

Don't get me wrong, I don't personally spend any money to play DD but there is no reason to judge someone who does or blindly insult them. Accept that they enjoy it and move on.

[ninertravel]

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I dont think this is a fair argument.

Why can't someone like both? Can I not be a fan of DD and franchise both? Will a black hole form if I play both in the same gaming session?

Also as a consumer of a product don't I have the right to complain about it?

Also as a consumer, don't I have a right to spend my money how I choose?

You don't like it, that's cool but there are plenty who do and plenty who play DD without spending money.

Don't get me wrong, I don't personally spend any money to play DD but there is no reason to judge someone who does or blindly insult them. Accept that they enjoy it and move on.

The thread is about the future of franchise mode and the lack of attention to it.. I am just stating the reasons why their is lack of attention to it. but people want to bring the 'who cares what others do with their money it doesn't effect you' comment in. DD mode wouldn't be a issue with most if BOTH modes got the same focus. DD mode is 90% focus. it's all they talk about in trailers. promotions. and when you install the damm game.. and it's the first stream they cover and the first info we always get.

You only gotta look at Madden to see how they haven't seen a franchise mode since madden 12 and my fears are that the show is heading that way too. with Y2Y saves gone, season mode also gone. we are slowly heading that way.

and if we keep just saying 'who cares what others are doing with DD mode how they spend their money' then what you are saying is you don't care about franchise mode getting things added to it. it's like people that say 'it's only a game' what you are saying is 'it doesn't matter. I mean would you care if your baseball team spent $400 million dollars on a player for 10 years?? and say 'who cares won't effect me or the team'

I don't really play RTTS only a little I have. but if all the focus was on that I would have the same issues.

[SmashMan]

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I think there’s a major overestimation of how much attention DD gets.

What’s really updated there throughout the year? Pictures on cards and custom scenario moments? I’m not going to say it’s no work at all, but let’s not also pretend like there are a ton of resources being spent here.

Someone creating a new virtual Bryce Harper card for DD isn’t stopping them from updating something like AI trade logic or scouting in franchise.

[Rocket32]

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Well what people don't understand with the 'who cares what other people spend doesn't effect you comments'' is that them spending money on that mode is what is making them money and why it is effecting you THUS no need to work on franchise mode at all.. and all the focus can be on the DD mode.

but anyway if people are happy with people spending money on DD mode then don't complain that franchise mode is being ignored all the time because not caring is part of the reason.

I’m not sure what your point or goal here is though. We all know that modes like DD are a big reason why franchise modes are getting less and less attention, so yes you’re right the more money people spend on DD does effect us but what can we really do about it? We can sit here and hate on DD and the people who play it all we want but it is what it is. We aren’t gonna convince most of the online players to stop playing the game their way.

You can’t stop people from spending their own money how they want. The DD crowd doesn’t really come around OS anyway so you’re only talking to other franchise players. I wouldn’t say we’re happy to see people spend money on DD....just that complaining about it at every chance won’t change it.

[CBoller1331]

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The thread is about the future of franchise mode and the lack of attention to it.. I am just stating the reasons why their is lack of attention to it. but people want to bring the 'who cares what others do with their money it doesn't effect you' comment in. DD mode wouldn't be a issue with most if BOTH modes got the same focus. DD mode is 90% focus. it's all they talk about in trailers. promotions. and when you install the damm game.. and it's the first stream they cover and the first info we always get.

I'm pretty sure DD is actually the last stream this year. And FWIW, as far as I can tell the only major change to DD making it easier for offline players to earn XP or something.

You only gotta look at Madden to see how they haven't seen a franchise mode since madden 12 and my fears are that the show is heading that way too. with Y2Y saves gone, season mode also gone. we are slowly heading that way.

I'm not sure what your talking about here....Madden didn't get rid of franchise...it might leave quite a bit to be desired like other franchise modes nowadays, but they didn't scrap it all together

and if we keep just saying 'who cares what others are doing with DD mode how they spend their money' then what you are saying is you don't care about franchise mode getting things added to it. it's like people that say 'it's only a game' what you are saying is 'it doesn't matter. I mean would you care if your baseball team spent $400 million dollars on a player for 10 years?? and say 'who cares won't effect me or the team'

I don't really play RTTS only a little I have. but if all the focus was on that I would have the same issues.

At the end of the day, I totally get the frustration. Franchise mode needs some upgrades and it hasn't really gotten much attention. I just think that insulting people who prefer a different mode or making them the enemy isn't the way to go

[Armor and Sword]

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The thread is about the future of franchise mode and the lack of attention to it.. I am just stating the reasons why their is lack of attention to it. but people want to bring the 'who cares what others do with their money it doesn't effect you' comment in. DD mode wouldn't be a issue with most if BOTH modes got the same focus. DD mode is 90% focus. it's all they talk about in trailers. promotions. and when you install the damm game.. and it's the first stream they cover and the first info we always get.

You only gotta look at Madden to see how they haven't seen a franchise mode since madden 12 and my fears are that the show is heading that way too. with Y2Y saves gone, season mode also gone. we are slowly heading that way.

and if we keep just saying 'who cares what others are doing with DD mode how they spend their money' then what you are saying is you don't care about franchise mode getting things added to it. it's like people that say 'it's only a game' what you are saying is 'it doesn't matter. I mean would you care if your baseball team spent $400 million dollars on a player for 10 years?? and say 'who cares won't effect me or the team'

I don't really play RTTS only a little I have. but if all the focus was on that I would have the same issues.

Dude....dude...DUDE!!!!! Come on. You lost me with that statement. I am in Year 6 of my Dolphins “Franchise” on Madden 21. It is the best time I have had with a Madden franchise mode since Madden 2007 on the PS2. Yeah.....it is a good franchise mode. I am also one who thought Madden 12’s franchise mode was sterile and lifeless and filled with some annoying bugs, crappy menus....it sucked for my money.

Quite possibly the most overrated franchise mode and Madden game for that matter I have ever seen. Gameplay stunk to boot.

Come on.

[RonnieDubs78]

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As for the future of franchise mode, I'm anxious for April 1st (or whatever the date may be) to see what its store for '21.

Call me a hopeless romantic or whatever, but I don't buy the notion that franchise mode is a dying mode that will at some point be replaced. Maybe it is and eventually will, but until that day comes, I'll continue to be anxious to see whats new and hold out hope for whatever personal improvements that haven't been implemented, to be added at some point in the not so distant future.

I believe Stockholm Syndrome is the correct terminology for you and MLBTS.

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[ninertravel]

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I'm pretty sure DD is actually the last stream this year. And FWIW, as far as I can tell the only major change to DD making it easier for offline players to earn XP or something.



I'm not sure what your talking about here....Madden didn't get rid of franchise...it might leave quite a bit to be desired like other franchise modes nowadays, but they didn't scrap it all together



At the end of the day, I totally get the frustration. Franchise mode needs some upgrades and it hasn't really gotten much attention. I just think that insulting people who prefer a different mode or making them the enemy isn't the way to go

in 2012 or whatever it was EA didn't want the word 'franchise' used I can search for it if you like but they wanted it as 'connected careers' and that first year it was only 1 user not 32 team control. they copped a lot for it and had to bring in 32 team control but it takes 30 mins to create it. (yes I timed it)

[Funkycorm]

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The thread is about the future of franchise mode and the lack of attention to it.. I am just stating the reasons why their is lack of attention to it. but people want to bring the 'who cares what others do with their money it doesn't effect you' comment in. DD mode wouldn't be a issue with most if BOTH modes got the same focus. DD mode is 90% focus. it's all they talk about in trailers. promotions. and when you install the damm game.. and it's the first stream they cover and the first info we always get.

You only gotta look at Madden to see how they haven't seen a franchise mode since madden 12 and my fears are that the show is heading that way too. with Y2Y saves gone, season mode also gone. we are slowly heading that way.

and if we keep just saying 'who cares what others are doing with DD mode how they spend their money' then what you are saying is you don't care about franchise mode getting things added to it. it's like people that say 'it's only a game' what you are saying is 'it doesn't matter. I mean would you care if your baseball team spent $400 million dollars on a player for 10 years?? and say 'who cares won't effect me or the team'

I don't really play RTTS only a little I have. but if all the focus was on that I would have the same issues.

You say that you are discussing the reasons franchise has had a lack of attention but you say the bold below. Clearly insulting anyone who feels different than you about their money being spent their way. It's not constructive. Its insulting.

I feel sorry for all those people that spend $$$$$ on a sports game then a new one comes out and just think of all the cash they wasted on digital cards that become 100% useless after 6 months when they could have bought 5 video games with that real money.

Actually why should I feel sorry for them more money then brains those people!

I care about franchise. What I am saying is why can't I care for both franchise and DD? This is not an absolute. It's a game where people enjoy different modes and yes RTTS is actually pretty fun.

And I will keep saying people can spend the money they earn how they choose.

DD type modes came around because they saw people liked it and to attract a younger audience, who like video games probably more than my generation does. I have 2 boys and they love gaming.

You also don't have to spend a penny to enjoy DD.

Also madden has a franchise mode to it. Yes they made some changes and learned from mistakes but it is there. And 12 had horrible game play. LBs were like rocket ships. Plus progression was bad as well. Made franchise horrible.

Also I am an Indians fan. We don't spend money on players lol.

[Red_Ted_is_back]

The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

I don't know what SDS' data shows exactly, just going off this poster's phrasing of "claims that the data show that franchise users rarely make it through one year", which (if true) reads to me as if users don't even make it for a complete season, not that they backed out mid-way through another year or whatever.

People just aren't going to notice issues that pop up later if they tap out before getting there.



Lacks depth for who, though? For me, you, and probably most of the guys here who have been playing The Show for years and years? Yeah.

For the player who maybe just plays DD and is thinking about getting into Franchise, or someone who usually just plays exhibition casually, or even a former season mode player...is it lacking depth for them? Are they overwhelmed by the options that currently exist?

Not countering anything you said personally, I just picked a quality post in the discussion that was on the topic to which I wanted to reply and went with it.

The whole ‘most players don’t get through a year’ is absolutely a valid claim by the devs. Attrition is a normal thing for any game.

To draw some comparisons to other games’ ‘franchise equivalents’:

PS4 Mortal Kombat 11 story: 42% of people have only made it to halfway

Astro Bot Rescue Mission: 15% of people completed the campaign

Red Dead Redemption 2: 32% of people have completed the campaign

Skyrim PS4: 18% of people completed Dragonslayer (the last of the main quests)

The Last of Us PS4: 40% completed the campaign

Obviously there are niche markets like those who are wholeheartedly dedicated to multi year franchises and RsTTS, those of us who live and breathe this game. But the return on investment just isn’t there to justify the dev time.

It is what it is. For now, until ultimate team modes start the downward trek on the product life cycle curve. The game itself will probably have completed its life cycle before that happens.

Remember though, where there’s an unhappy niche, there’s an opportunity for another product to meet their needs.


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[ninertravel]

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You say that you are discussing the reasons franchise has had a lack of attention but you say the bold below. Clearly insulting anyone who feels different than you about their money being spent their way. It's not constructive. Its insulting.





I care about franchise. What I am saying is why can't I care for both franchise and DD? This is not an absolute. It's a game where people enjoy different modes and yes RTTS is actually pretty fun.

And I will keep saying people can spend the money they earn how they choose.

DD type modes came around because they saw people liked it and to attract a younger audience, who like video games probably more than my generation does. I have 2 boys and they love gaming.

You also don't have to spend a penny to enjoy DD.

Also madden has a franchise mode to it. Yes they made some changes and learned from mistakes but it is there. And 12 had horrible game play. LBs were like rocket ships. Plus progression was bad as well. Made franchise horrible.

Also I am an Indians fan. We don't spend money on players lol.

Fair enough I be see your point on insulting them. I guess I have a thing about saving money.

I think madden 12 was the last good madden their is a YouTube video actually showing why it’s the last good madden (but not great) just look at everything that’s been taken out every 2 or 3 years I try and give madden ago and see everytine it takes 30 mins to start a 32 team control franchise. And for god sake it took them 5 years to be able to
Put a LS in that position on the depth chart if they were a TE, that drove me crazy, couldn’t create non rookie CAP so you would have 35 year old rookies ect, all this was on ps2 days. many wouldn’t care but I did. I’ve given up on madden even ign stopped given it 9 out of 10 this year calling it “best madden ever”

[countryboy]

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I believe Stockholm Syndrome is the correct terminology for you and MLBTS.

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You are a classless piece of **** for making this type of reference.

Absolutely disgusting.

[Fuimus Troes]

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Actually why should I feel sorry for them more money then brains those people!

The God of Irony has a wicked sense of humor.

[Therebelyell626]

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if you were laying $5 down to get a card that is mike trout. I see no problem with that at all you are paying for what you want.

if you are laying down $5 in a 1 in 100 chance of getting Mike Trout then I see that as a problem and that is designed in a way like a slot machine (you remember when NBA2k did this???) so you end up paying $100 and still not getting what you want. and that's what these modes are designed to do. and in my opinion ONLY (many others might agree or NOT agree) it is like gambling and I don't agree to it. this I have a major problem with

different to making one bet on a horse race... I am more compare it to slot machines in casinos. not sporting bets, I will clarify here.

I’m a franchise guy myself. I don’t even touch DD. But in all fairness every card has a “buy now” price. So technically you could just buy enough Stubbs to get the mike trout card you want. Not saying I disagree but technically there is a hole in your argument

[Therebelyell626]

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Here’s my thoughts on the matter. Every single, and I mean every single industry in the entire worlds main goal is, “how can we make the most off of a product with spending as little as possible to produce it”. So why is anyone surprised that game development isn’t any different. All you have to do is watch one episode of shark tank, and the first question they always ask when it’s a manufactured product is “what’s the cost per unit”? Followed by “what’s your total sales”? I am not convincing myself that DD is the problem anymore. Because truth be told even if DD didn’t exist they would still be trying to sell as many units with as little resources dedicated as possible. That’s business 101.

Franchise modes use to sale games. It simply doesn’t anymore. I have long accepted it.