No Hitters

[PVarck31]

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I've never thrown a no hitter in any iteration on MLB The Show. Ever.

Two nights ago in my franchise I took a no hitter into the 9th with Triston McKenzie, which is the furthest I've ever gotten. Got the first out on a grounder to second, then gave up a gapper double. I was crushed.

[Doyoueven85]

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First off, thank you for this thread.. I say that because I recently pitched a no hitter for the first time in God knows how many years playing this game... and it felt sooo awesome to be able to achieve that and did not want to create a new thread for it, so thank you once again.

For me, Ive always played this game with classic pitching and hitting. With difficulties at all star plus for pitching and HOF for batting, and the stamina slider at 5 (default) and bullpen stamina slider at 2.

The trick is to always have good innings for as long as you can, usually keeping your pitches around 12 - 14 per inning so when the 3rd time around comes you’ll have some energy in tank when they really work the counts. This way you can get 6 or 7 innings out of your starter if he has a stamina rating of 80 - 85 for example...

For the no hitter I was pitching with Anthony DesClafanj, and I threw 106 pitches with 6 strikeouts, 2 walks and 1 hit by pitch. Obviously the next start he wasn’t fully recovered so I pitched only 5 innings with about 75 pitches and allowed 4 ER.

Good for you man and can I say for whatever reason DesClafani is a beast on this game. Or maybe it’s just us lol

[Doyoueven85]

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I definitely relate to the crushed aspect lol I used to, okay still do actually get like nervous, palms start sweating and everything. I do remember how absolutely bumped I was when I got one with Chris sale last year. It’s just a game but after all these years this series still fires me up

[TheWarmWind]

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Yeah that makes sense. Cheers!

With the stamina on 8, do you not see the starter staying in beyond 5-6 innings more often than is realistic? Do you bump the manager hook up at all to compensate, if so?

Manager hook is kind of a weird subject. Based on my testing raising manager hook can actually lead to relievers being left in more than they should.

You know how sometimes when the CPU is down they'll send in an already tired long relief pitcher and leave him in for far too long? This is caused by the logic of trying to protect certain pitchers in the bullpen for another night when the CPU team has a better chance. It makes sense sometimes, but it triggers FAR to often and far to aggressively at default settings, to the point where the CPU will never use the guys they are trying to protect.

Seems it's a combination of to low of stamina levels and too high of manager hook that causes this. I'm currently playing at 8/8/4 and the bullpen is used more liberally and freely then even at 8/8/5.

I know it seems backwards, but lowering the manager hook slider actually makes bullpen usage more active. I'm at the point now where I strongly recommend not playing any higher than 4.

I am not playing 21 (still on 20) but from what I hear it works the same in 21.

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[PVarck31]

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Unbelievably, I just threw a perfect game with Shane Bieber!

[Unlucky 13]

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Manager hook is kind of a weird subject. Based on my testing raising manager hook can actually lead to relievers being left in more than they should.

You know how sometimes when the CPU is down they'll send in an already tired long relief pitcher and leave him in for far too long? This is caused by the logic of trying to protect certain pitchers in the bullpen for another night when the CPU team has a better chance. It makes sense sometimes, but it triggers FAR to often and far to aggressively at default settings, to the point where the CPU will never use the guys they are trying to protect.

Seems it's a combination of to low of stamina levels and too high of manager hook that causes this. I'm currently playing at 8/8/4 and the bullpen is used more liberally and freely then even at 8/8/5.

I know it seems backwards, but lowering the manager hook slider actually makes bullpen usage more active. I'm at the point now where I strongly recommend not playing any higher than 4.

I am not playing 21 (still on 20) but from what I hear it works the same in 21.

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I'm playing on 20 too, and its been a weird issue for this edition of the game that I'd never really encountered before. Related is the weird way that the CPU pinch hits - or doesn't - for the pitchers too. Far too often they'll let a starter hit, and then pull him in the next inning. That's bad enough, but I see it with long relievers now too, and in games that aren't out of control even.

[lemarflacco]

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Manager hook is kind of a weird subject. Based on my testing raising manager hook can actually lead to relievers being left in more than they should.

You know how sometimes when the CPU is down they'll send in an already tired long relief pitcher and leave him in for far too long? This is caused by the logic of trying to protect certain pitchers in the bullpen for another night when the CPU team has a better chance. It makes sense sometimes, but it triggers FAR to often and far to aggressively at default settings, to the point where the CPU will never use the guys they are trying to protect.

Seems it's a combination of to low of stamina levels and too high of manager hook that causes this. I'm currently playing at 8/8/4 and the bullpen is used more liberally and freely then even at 8/8/5.

I know it seems backwards, but lowering the manager hook slider actually makes bullpen usage more active. I'm at the point now where I strongly recommend not playing any higher than 4.

I am not playing 21 (still on 20) but from what I hear it works the same in 21.

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I would disagree with this one in 21. If you put manager hook at like 8, they'll basically use a different reliever every inning and throughout a series , I haven't seen them overuse long relief guys this year in 21.

They still dont use the setup man enough IMO but its light years better. Ive seen the closer come in in the 9th when they're down or game is tied, seen them used setup men when they're behind as well.

I think they need to re-code the "setup man". They have them coded as a pitcher to come in with a lead before the save. They need to be designated as like high leverage relievers who are used just in close games , maybe 2 runs up or down, and maybe only in the 7th inning forward.

[DarthRambo]

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I would disagree with this one in 21. If you put manager hook at like 8, they'll basically use a different reliever every inning and throughout a series , I haven't seen them overuse long relief guys this year in 21.

They still dont use the setup man enough IMO but its light years better. Ive seen the closer come in in the 9th when they're down or game is tied, seen them used setup men when they're behind as well.

I think they need to re-code the "setup man". They have them coded as a pitcher to come in with a lead before the save. They need to be designated as like high leverage relievers who are used just in close games , maybe 2 runs up or down, and maybe only in the 7th inning forward.

This is spot on and exactly what I've been seeing for MLB 21. Much much better AI bullpen usage this year but still a ways to go.

What I did for each team was move both SU guys in the bullpen to MRP guys. I put the lowest rated, or worst bullpen guys in the SU spots since the AI does not use them much at all. This has helped a ton for sure!!

If you play 30 team control I highly suggest moving the SU guys into MRP roles. I moved them into the two MRP spots DIRECTLY above the SU spots in the pitching rotation screen fyi. Those two mrp spots appeared to be most used RP spots looking at games played with RP in those spots before. Usually those two spots had pitchers with highest usage.

The ultimate way to do things is switch controller over to AI team and manually manage their bullpen. Usually this means switch over while batting, schedule RP to come in. As soon as you get third out batting switch over to AI team so you get the notification whether you want to still bring in guy scheduled. Hit yes, and switch controller back over. The 3 batter rule now honestly makes this doable and actually work really well.

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[Mackrel829]

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I would disagree with this one in 21. If you put manager hook at like 8, they'll basically use a different reliever every inning and throughout a series , I haven't seen them overuse long relief guys this year in 21.

They still dont use the setup man enough IMO but its light years better. Ive seen the closer come in in the 9th when they're down or game is tied, seen them used setup men when they're behind as well.

I think they need to re-code the "setup man". They have them coded as a pitcher to come in with a lead before the save. They need to be designated as like high leverage relievers who are used just in close games , maybe 2 runs up or down, and maybe only in the 7th inning forward.

What are you currently using?

8 for starter stamina, reliever stamina, and manager hook?

[ZachenFoot]

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Been playing every edition since The Show 10 and I've still never gotten a no hitter or perfect game. I'm fine with it because the first one I do throw is gonna feel so dang good.

Appreciate the slider suggestions here too; I threw with Giolito last night and ended up feeling way better about when he started to get fatigued. I do 30 team control so I'm gonna try the bullpen set up to get SU guys more innings.

[Mackrel829]

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I've seen several people refer to an 8/8/4 set up in terms of pitching sliders. Can someone just confirm to me exactly what that it?

The 4 is CPU manager hook, but do the two right refer to human starter stamina and CPU starter stamina, leaving the reliever stamina at default? Or do the two eights mean that I should change both starter and reliever to eight for both human and CPU?

Thanks in advance!

[knucklecutter]

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I've seen several people refer to an 8/8/4 set up in terms of pitching sliders. Can someone just confirm to me exactly what that it?

The 4 is CPU manager hook, but do the two right refer to human starter stamina and CPU starter stamina, leaving the reliever stamina at default? Or do the two eights mean that I should change both starter and reliever to eight for both human and CPU?

Thanks in advance!

8 stamina for both starter and relief for both human and cpu and 4 for manager hook. I did some testing and saw a few instances where pitchers would stay out too long with hook at 4 and recommend the hook to be on 5 on the 21 version of the game. One example would be Aaron Nola having thrown 117 pitches after 7 innings and coming back in the 8th while their team was down 2-0. With the hook on 5 I've seen nothing of that sort. I believe 8/8/5 is the way to go in MLB 21.


Edit: 117 pitches not 127, sorry for the typo.

[Mackrel829]

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8 stamina for both starter and relief for both human and cpu and 4 for manager hook. I did some testing and saw a few instances where pitchers would stay out too long with hook at 4 and recommend the hook to be on 5 on the 21 version of the game. One example would be Aaron Nola having thrown 127 pitches after 7 innings and coming back in the 8th while their team was down 2-0. With the hook on 5 I've seen nothing of that sort. I believe 8/8/5 is the way to go in MLB 21.

Appreciate it!

What's the thought process behind raising the reliever stamina? They should only be staying in for one inning the majority of the time, sometimes two. Why is the boost needed?

[knucklecutter]

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Appreciate it!

What's the thought process behind raising the reliever stamina? They should only be staying in for one inning the majority of the time, sometimes two. Why is the boost needed?

Raising the stamina doesn't let them throw too many pitches, but what it does do is increase the amount of effective pitches they can throw. An example would be if at default 5 a relief pitcher can throw 35 pitches before being totally drained and he starts to fall off after 15 vs starting to fall off after 25. The same can be said for starters.

[knucklecutter]

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Also, the stamina increase helps with bullpen management. The hook, depending on the situation, is what decides how long a pitcher will stay out.