Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

[sportomatic75]

You dont see THAT MANY slow pitchers on the base paths always anymore. I think it’s time for San Diego Studio to count in the factor that most pitchers can run and hit nowadays in the NL. This needs to be throttled and made apparent in MLB 22 The Show


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[countryboy]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

You dont see THAT MANY slow pitchers on the base paths always anymore. I think it’s time for San Diego Studio to count in the factor that most pitchers can run and hit nowadays in the NL. This needs to be throttled and made apparent in MLB 22 The Show


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They do have speed attributes

When looking at their player card, press square (not sure Xbox) to toggle between hitting and pitching attributes


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[Mackrel829]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

Some have some pretty solid hitting stats too. Michael Lorenzen being one of them.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

most pitchers can run and hit nowadays in the NL.

Pitchers as a whole this year are hitting .110/.148/.142
with 12 home runs and 52 doubles in 3160 plate appearances. They strike out 45% of the time. Some pitchers can hit, most absolutely suck with a bat.

As far as running, some can run well, but I'd argue most pitchers are pretty below average speed wise.


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[tessl]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

Pitchers as a whole this year are hitting .110/.148/.142
with 12 home runs and 52 doubles in 3160 plate appearances. They strike out 45% of the time. Some pitchers can hit, most absolutely suck with a bat.

As far as running, some can run well, but I'd argue most pitchers are pretty below average speed wise.


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The DH from little league through high school, college and the minor leagues have caused this. The Cardinals have had two pitchers injured swinging the bat this season. You never used to see that.

Pitcher have become to baseball what field goal kickers are to football - one dimensional. MLB should have said no to Charlie Finley's idea of the DH. They only reason he did it was because he relocated the A's from Kansas City to Oakland thinking attendance would improve and when it didn't he cooked up some gimmicks designed to improve attendance.

Oh, and pitchers to have a speed rating. Turn on runner window and you will see it.

[DarthRambo]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

My opinion, but the DH just needs to be in the NL too. If a pitcher can actually hit then fine put him in the lineup or use him to pinch hit. No sense in getting these guys hurt swinging a bat or like Lorenzen on Reds pulling hamstrings running bases.

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[countryboy]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

My opinion, but the DH just needs to be in the NL too. If a pitcher can actually hit then fine put him in the lineup or use him to pinch hit. No sense in getting these guys hurt swinging a bat or like Lorenzen on Reds pulling hamstrings running bases.

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DH will be in the NL next year, most likely.

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

DH will be in the NL next year, most likely.

Hope there’s an option to turn it off, if so. Having the DH takes away some strategy. For me.....don’t like it.

[countryboy]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

Hope there’s an option to turn it off, if so. Having the DH takes away some strategy. For me.....don’t like it.

I would imagine the option would remain as it is currently in the game.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

The DH from little league through high school, college and the minor leagues have caused this. The Cardinals have had two pitchers injured swinging the bat this season. You never used to see that.

Pitcher have become to baseball what field goal kickers are to football - one dimensional. MLB should have said no to Charlie Finley's idea of the DH. They only reason he did it was because he relocated the A's from Kansas City to Oakland thinking attendance would improve and when it didn't he cooked up some gimmicks designed to improve attendance.

Oh, and pitchers to have a speed rating. Turn on runner window and you will see it.

Little League doesn't use the DH, High School it can be (and often is) used for a position other than Pitcher, and the upper minors don't have a DH if both teams are NL.

But even so, pitchers have always sucked at hitting, hence the change being proposed over 100 years ago. The DH has widened the gap a bit, sure, but in the last year before the DH in the AL, hitters league wide hit .146. Compare that to, say, 1996 when the DH has been in place in a variety of leagues for a generation, and NL pitchers hit .147. Even 10 years ago, pitchers hit .142. NL pitchers even hit .131 in 2019. This has been a weird season for pitchers hitting. The AL actually has a higher pitcher batting average than the NL (thanks Ohtani).

Players in general also get hurt swinging more than they did before because swings are more violent. Though I think it's actually calmed down in recent years compared to how often it happened 10 or so years ago as more guys work on flexibility as opposed to just strength, and build their swings to be sustainable. But pitchers, who are focused on pitching on their off days and in the offseason, aren't really working on their swings.

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[DarthRambo]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

Hope there’s an option to turn it off, if so. Having the DH takes away some strategy. For me.....don’t like it.

My personal opinion, but I do not think by having a DH you lose any more strategy than the NL has. Sac bunt opportunities are rare these days. A good handful of AL teams do bunt over runners still as well. Sure you pinch hit for your pitcher after 5 or 6ip but big deal. AL pitchers are only going 5 or 6ip too. And they pinch hit just as much, if not more than the NL teams do.

Maybe 15-20 years ago there was a loss of strategy when small ball was more prevelant around the entire MLB not just NL. But anymore it's homeruns or strikeouts. If these guys could bunt we wouldn't see all the crazy shifts.

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[DonkeyJote]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

My personal opinion, but I do not think by having a DH you lose any more strategy than the NL has. Sac bunt opportunities are rare these days. A good handful of AL teams do bunt over runners still as well. Sure you pinch hit for your pitcher after 5 or 6ip but big deal. AL pitchers are only going 5 or 6ip too. And they pinch hit just as much, if not more than the NL teams do.

Maybe 15-20 years ago there was a loss of strategy when small ball was more prevelant around the entire MLB not just NL. But anymore it's homeruns or strikeouts. If these guys could bunt we wouldn't see all the crazy shifts.

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I agree. I think there's different strategy, but not less.

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[Karle]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

The addition of the DH in the American League in 1973 eliminated the advantages enjoyed by good hitting pitchers like Earl Wilson who was on the 1968 Detroit Tigers. That year he had 7 home runs in only 88 at bats. He was even used a few times as a pinch hitter.

Regardless of what happens with the DH and the National League going forward, I hope we will keep the ability to turn the DH off in franchise.

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[kinsmen7]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

The addition of the DH in the American League in 1973 eliminated the advantages enjoyed by good hitting pitchers like Earl Wilson who was on the 1968 Detroit Tigers. That year he had 7 home runs in only 88 at bats. He was even used a few times as a pinch hitter.

Regardless of what happens with the DH and the National League going forward, I hope we will keep the ability to turn the DH off in franchise.

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DH vs. no DH is always an entertaining conversation. Not an argument here, just a few points regarding the player referenced, as well as his team.

-Sure, he hit 7 HR's that season, but is being able to hit .227 with a .253 OBP really an advantage? He was also a career .195/.265/.369 hitter. I guess, if you consider that the pitching staff as a whole that year (Including Earl) managed to hit .146 over the span of 438 plate appearances, with a combined 7 HR's/30 RBI.
-If we're going for the strategy argument, based on bunting runners over, over those 438 plate appearances, the Tigers combined for a total of 29(!!!) sacrifice bunts, meaning that only 6% of plate appearances by pitchers for the Tigers that season actually resulted in a successful bunt moving runners over.

[canes21]

Re: Why do pitchers not have speed attributes?

The whole point of the DH is to make the offense better, right? For the fans? We have enough stats that show the DH basically adds no extra run output per game. You have to play close to 10 games for the DH teams to score 1 extra run over the non-DH teams.

I'll never understand this push for the DH when the data is right in our faces and shows there is no significant difference when a lineup replaces the pitcher with a DH.

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