Bullpen logic… ad nauseam

[ninertravel]

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Bigdawg1690 shared his bullpen setup with us in our slider thread. It lets the AI use MRP guys in the middle innings instead of always their LRP. You have to do 30 man control and set lineups to manual. Otherwise, they will reset the spots. We have tested this and the AI will bring in their MRP guys in tied or close games in the 5th or 6th innings.

They will even bring in their good RP when they are losing in a close game. They do a good job putting guys in who have full stamina over a guy who isn't full.

* Put your 3 lowest rated RP pitchers that have less than 40 stamina in the 3 LRP spots.

* Take out all the pitchers in the SU1 and SU2 spots.

* Put your closer in the closer spot like normal.

* Put your highest rated RP’s in the MRP spots.

This is a 13 pitcher setup. I have tried 12 before and it's good until you get into a season and most of the bullpen is tired from lots of games and extra inning games etc. My opinion, you really NEED 8 guys in the bullpen long term. Also the extra bench player never gets ABs anyway. Becomes a wasted roster spot in the MLB. Before the 3 batter rule I was switching controller over and manually managing their BP in games.

so What would happen with the actual LR guy though? the guy that can sometimes make a spot start. I am guessing we would have to lower his stamina rating.

ok Let's use the giants as an example

Won't the CPU always still go with Beede if it is before the 5 innings because his stamina is high?

LR Tyler Beede (the actual LR
LR José Álvarez (MR)
LR John Brebbia (MR)
MR Jarlín García (MR)
MR Dominic Leone (also can be a SU guy)
MR Tyler Rogers (SU Guy)
MR Jake McGee (sometimes can close but he is the SU guy)
CP Camilo Doval (CP, can rotate with Mcgee, problem is have to do this manually for the CPU BEFORE the game)

I wish it showed stamina for pitchers in the rotation that you can set before a game to change and babysit the CPU

[DarthRambo]

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so What would happen with the actual LR guy though? the guy that can sometimes make a spot start. I am guessing we would have to lower his stamina rating.



ok Let's use the giants as an example



Won't the CPU always still go with Beede if it is before the 5 innings because his stamina is high?



LR Tyler Beede (the actual LR

LR José Álvarez (MR)

LR John Brebbia (MR)

MR Jarlín García (MR)

MR Dominic Leone (also can be a SU guy)

MR Tyler Rogers (SU Guy)

MR Jake McGee (sometimes can close but he is the SU guy)

CP Camilo Doval (CP, can rotate with Mcgee, problem is have to do this manually for the CPU BEFORE the game)



I wish it showed stamina for pitchers in the rotation that you can set before a game to change and babysit the CPU

From what I can tell if they need to put in an actual LRP in an early blowout or SP injury early they will put in a RP with full energy regardless of stamina rating. Typically they will go 3ip regardless of stamina rating simply because the situation calls for it. This set up seems to go off of current energy levels more than anything. Often I would hear Boog say how so and so last pitched 3 or more days ago. So that guy who just pitched 3 innings won't be used again for a few days or so.

To be honest the LRP role isn't really needed in this game imo. If you need a spot start that's one thing. Not sure what the cpu does if they need a spot start tbh. Not even sure how you would check to see what they even did. Could manually injure a SP for them and see who they would start in his place.


EDIT- just to see...I manually injured Gerrit Cole before his scheduled start. With this same BP setup they inserted Nestor Cortes to spot start for him. Nestor is listed as a SP who was in the bullpen in the 2nd MRP slot fyi.
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[Foo4Everlong]

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Ad Nauseam?


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[Unlucky 13]

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So, this might be a question without an answer, but why was the CPU able to handle the bullpen so much better in older versions of the game. Especially on the PS3, but I think early editions on the PS4 too. I know that there have been several real life rules changes that have been discussed here, but something else has to have happened.

It used to be better. They used to handle the stamina issue SO much better, even sending guys down to AAA and calling someone else up if the BP was depleted. I remember being in the middle of a series, wearing out the CPU's pen, and having them do that after the second game. It was really smart about it. Are these issues connected to what's happened with Franchise Mode, bascially?

[PVarck31]

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So I played a couple games last night and I don't know if this is just a placebo effect, or it really worked, but all I did was raise the manager hook slider three clicks to the right and they used three pitchers in one game and four in the next. No CPU reliever pitched more than one inning. I was pretty surprised.

I don't know if it's as simple as that, because I'm sure people have tried this and it must have not worked well, but I can only go off what I saw in two games. I was like wow, did this actually work?

[jcar0725]

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So I played a couple games last night and I don't know if this is just a placebo effect, or it really worked, but all I did was raise the manager hook slider three clicks to the right and they used three pitchers in one game and four in the next. No CPU reliever pitched more than one inning. I was pretty surprised.

I don't know if it's as simple as that, because I'm sure people have tried this and it must have not worked well, but I can only go off what I saw in two games. I was like wow, did this actually work?

Do you remember if the order of how the relievers were worked in to the game made sense? And go Guardians....

[PVarck31]

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Do you remember if the order of how the relievers were worked in to the game made sense? And go Guardians....

I'm trying to recall, but I'm not 100% sure. In the first game, I was the Marlins and played the Mets. Megill Started for them, and I believe I knocked him out of the game in the 6th. I wanna say Lugo, May, and Peterson pitched. But I could be wrong in the order they came in. Or maybe even one of the names. But I did say to myself, damn they are using relievers instead of just one guy for three innings.

The other game I can't recall. I was falling asleep at that point, but I remember it being similar. Maybe it was just me not counting right, but I do know I was pleasantly surprised as the CPU's use of the bullpen.

I would give it a shot and see what happens.

And I see your Captains avatar. Do you live in NE Ohio?

[jcar0725]

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I'm trying to recall, but I'm not 100% sure. In the first game, I was the Marlins and played the Mets. Megill Started for them, and I believe I knocked him out of the game in the 6th. I wanna say Lugo, May, and Peterson pitched. But I could be wrong in the order they came in. Or maybe even one of the names. But I did say to myself, damn they are using relievers instead of just one guy for three innings.

The other game I can't recall. I was falling asleep at that point, but I remember it being similar. Maybe it was just me not counting right, but I do know I was pleasantly surprised as the CPU's use of the bullpen.

I would give it a shot and see what happens.

And I see your Captains avatar. Do you live in NE Ohio?

Absolutely ! Born and raised.

[PVarck31]

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Absolutely ! Born and raised.

Nice! Me too. I live about 45 minutes or so east of Cleveland. Been to a bunch of Captains games. We like to go to the Mentor and Willoughby area for dinner and shopping.

[soxfanbs91]

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When I play, I up CPU Manager Hook almost all the way and then put CPU reliever stamina low. I don't need to adjust the Player sliders as I manage it how I believe a team would. It is dumb that in close games the long-reliever will enter and pitch from like the 6th through the 8th.

[jcar0725]

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Nice! Me too. I live about 45 minutes or so east of Cleveland. Been to a bunch of Captains games. We like to go to the Mentor and Willoughby area for dinner and shopping.

Very cool. I'm a south sider. Strongsville/Brunswick area.

[PVarck31]

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Very cool. I'm a south sider. Strongsville/Brunswick area.

Nice. I don't get out to those areas much, but been through them before.

I used to live in Kent for college, then lived in a few place around Akron for like 15 years before coming back where I was born and raised. But the plan is to move back down that way, or to Florida. We aren't totally sure yet. I really hate the cold weather. My wife is from Akron/Barberton. So she want's to move closer to home now since she moved up here with me about 10 years ago.

Anyway, I'd try that slider and see what happens. Maybe it was just a coincidence or maybe there is something to it.

[jcar0725]

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Nice. I don't get out to those areas much, but been through them before.

I used to live in Kent for college, then lived in a few place around Akron for like 15 years before coming back where I was born and raised. But the plan is to move back down that way, or to Florida. We aren't totally sure yet. I really hate the cold weather. My wife is from Akron/Barberton. So she want's to move closer to home now since she moved up here with me about 10 years ago.

Anyway, I'd try that slider and see what happens. Maybe it was just a coincidence or maybe there is something to it.

I'm just reading up on what other people are doing before I mess with the sliders. I really don't like slider tweaking too much unless I have to.

[The Kid 24]

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So I played a couple games last night and I don't know if this is just a placebo effect, or it really worked, but all I did was raise the manager hook slider three clicks to the right and they used three pitchers in one game and four in the next. No CPU reliever pitched more than one inning. I was pretty surprised.

I don't know if it's as simple as that, because I'm sure people have tried this and it must have not worked well, but I can only go off what I saw in two games. I was like wow, did this actually work?

So your manager hook slider was 8 then? What do you have for SP & RP stamina?

[PVarck31]

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So your manager hook slider was 8 then? What do you have for SP & RP stamina?

I think I knocked them down one click. I will experiment with this later. Again, I could be totally off here. It may have just been a coincidence how it all went down. I've never messed with these sliders before so it was kinda on a whim. So please don't expect these exact results. I don't want to make anyone mad it me if this turns out not to work lol.