The Supplication of a Once Y2Y Franchise Player

[Caulfield]

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...So when I found Bacon's roster I was thrilled to jump right in with this fictional world where the players had actual historic stats and a really good foundation. The only thing that hindered me was the fact that since he had carried the save over for the roster for many years there were like 3yrs of blank stats for all of the players.

that's eerily scary, Nostrabaconus accurately foresaw the covid years?

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[Bullit]

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that's eerily scary, Nostrabaconus accurately foresaw the covid years?

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Actually the gaps were created because the only way he could simulate stats and service time was to create players and sim franchise into the future and then export them out of that franchise and import them into the fictional roster. Nobody, me included really understand the effort Bacon put into these rosters. It is really a heartbreak to loose them and the literally hundreds of classic rosters, I have been downloading all of them, even if I have no real intention of playing them for a while if ever. Just so I can have them in '20 "just in case"

[Bullit]

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I wish you could have told that to my dad in 1983.
after I cried because Santa didn't get me the E.T. video game for Christmas 1982, when I finally did get it and knew immediately how awful it was, my dad still forced me to play it all summer of '83
maybe if it had a carry-over feature from Atari 2600 of yesteryear to today's PlayStation, that would be enough to make it enjoyable lol

That explains so dam much about you. It now all makes sense. You poor damaged soul.

[Culture Rot]

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Probably stating the obvious, but maybe not anymore. That’s exactly how they want you to feel. They want you to have your little experiences on the current game, milk it for what it’s worth, and the second they put out something new, they want you to have to buy it. This is how all sports games operate now. The feature hasn’t been left out due to programming laziness I’m afraid.

[Caulfield]

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...They want you to have your little experiences on the current game, milk it for what it’s worth, and the second they put out something new, they want you to have to buy it.

Y2Y carry-over saves is the best way to insure this though. I think Sony knows that also too as well, and while it may or may not ever return, I'd be stunned if SDS didn't at least try to make that happen

[JTommy67]

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Y2Y carry-over saves is the best way to insure this though. I think Sony knows that also too as well, and while it may or may not ever return, I'd be stunned if SDS didn't at least try to make that happen

The variable being left out of this discussion is the relatively miniscule popularity of franchise mode and RTTS compared to Diamond Dynasty.

https://forums.theshow.com/

There are actually 17x as many posts in the DD forum as franchise/RTTS combined. If this is indicative of actual interest, I'd say there's little chance they would devote significant resources to these game modes, or to spend time bringing back a feature they identified as costly to maintain from year to year. The pattern is well-established: when they get rid of a gameplay mode, feature, or option it doesn't return.

Hope I'm wrong. But look at this from 30,000 feet. In the past 15 years, have they added any in-depth options that opened up strategy, managerial options, or franchise development? We still have the lame ratings adjustments from different coaches/managers instead of actual strategical attributes or style preferences, terrible bullpen AI, the same tired flaws in the sim engine, not to mention numerous legacy issues such as those w/bunting, baserunning, etc.

Franchise mode will stay, for sure, but it will receive tweaks here and there, any improvements being almost negligible compared to all the things they won't touch. They're putting air in the tires and adding touch up paint when we'd really prefer they pull up the hood and look at the engine.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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Probably stating the obvious, but maybe not anymore. That’s exactly how they want you to feel. They want you to have your little experiences on the current game, milk it for what it’s worth, and the second they put out something new, they want you to have to buy it. This is how all sports games operate now. The feature hasn’t been left out due to programming laziness I’m afraid.

That is the frustrating part. Outside of added ratings or roster spots, there is no reason a roster shouldn't be able to port from one version to another.

At the very least we should be able to do this the old fashioned way; export franchise players to a roster then migrate the roster file to the next version.

[Detroit Tigers]

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Probably stating the obvious, but maybe not anymore. That’s exactly how they want you to feel. They want you to have your little experiences on the current game, milk it for what it’s worth, and the second they put out something new, they want you to have to buy it. This is how all sports games operate now. The feature hasn’t been left out due to programming laziness I’m afraid.

If carryover was here and people could take their ‘22 chise with them to ‘23 that is incentive to buy the new version. Withholding carryover saves, as this thread shows, is about sticking with older versions. Your logic is backwards unless I’m the confused one (very possible).

[JoshC1977]

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The variable being left out of this discussion is the relatively miniscule popularity of franchise mode and RTTS compared to Diamond Dynasty.

https://forums.theshow.com/

There are actually 17x as many posts in the DD forum as franchise/RTTS combined.

My personal thought/opinion....

I think the activity in the forum is somewhat irrelevant if I am being honest. DD is an online mode, so it makes sense that the online presence is also reflected by those who play the online mode. So, there's a bit of an "echo chamber" effect with that....

SDS has pretty consistently said that RTTS is the most played mode - but that audience is not your diehard audience that is interfacing with the online culture of the game. They buy the game and do their own thing....never to be heard from again.

So, I think that "17X as many posts" is not so much a reflection of how many play the various modes, but is rather that the folks that engage the most in online socials are the ones playing the online mode.

If you're looking at overall gamer population - the people you DON'T hear from make-up the vast majority of the overall player population.

[Caulfield]

Re: The Supplication of a Once Y2Y Franchise Player

The variable being left out of this discussion is the relatively miniscule popularity of franchise mode and RTTS compared to Diamond Dynasty.

https://forums.theshow.com/

There are actually 17x as many posts in the DD forum as franchise/RTTS combined. If this is indicative of actual interest, I'd say there's little chance they would devote significant resources to these game modes, or to spend time bringing back a feature they identified as costly to maintain from year to year. The pattern is well-established: when they get rid of a gameplay mode, feature, or option it doesn't return.

Hope I'm wrong. But look at this from 30,000 feet. In the past 15 years, have they added any in-depth options that opened up strategy, managerial options, or franchise development? We still have the lame ratings adjustments from different coaches/managers instead of actual strategical attributes or style preferences, terrible bullpen AI, the same tired flaws in the sim engine, not to mention numerous legacy issues such as those w/bunting, baserunning, etc.

Franchise mode will stay, for sure, but it will receive tweaks here and there, any improvements being almost negligible compared to all the things they won't touch. They're putting air in the tires and adding touch up paint when we'd really prefer they pull up the hood and look at the engine.

yeah, I meant the best way to keep however many customers that are franchise only players, the best way to keep those few customers, however many that may be, is w/y2y
Detroit Tigers worded it better than I did earlier

If carryover was here and people could take their ‘22 chise with them to ‘23 that is incentive to buy the new version. Withholding carryover saves, as this thread shows, is about sticking with older versions. Your logic is backwards unless I’m the confused one (very possible).

[reyes the roof]

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This is definitely a every 2-3 years purchase for me, although they’ll get back to back purchases from me this year and next due to next years game having the correct manager for the Mets and interleague scheduling being fixed

[Bullit]

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Things changed for me when Y2Y were added in. I mostly played RTTS back in the day. I always preferred Franchise but the Season was so long and I have never cared for simming to I just never finished a Year much less two or three. I just did not have the motivation.

Then it happened. Man I just was literally sitting there with my mind blown when the feature first was announced and explained. No more starting over! I could just play forever with the same Franchise. I could not believe it. I started solely playing Franchise. That first year I got thru 3 years with my Indians Franchise and went out at midnight to get the next years game. Loading up my Franchise into the next game was like Christmas to me. I was laughing and so happy. That Indians Franchise is still going to this day in '20

I remember the struggle sometimes with the new games. CountryBoy and I spent hours debating '16 and '17. He ended up sticking with '16 and I flipped flopped back and forth. Finally I moved on but that was a year I only finished one season of my Franchise in '17 because of spending more time in '16 waffling.

Then that dreaded day when it was announced that Y2Y was no longer going to be supported. Man it was such a gut punch. I will be honest it took the wind out of my sails a bit for a good while. With all of the crap that has happened in my life I do not handle change well and this was a loss that I took pretty hard for it "just being a game" Some folks on here know my story and what The Show and Baseball means to me. But this change hurt in a lot of ways that I was not ready for.

I was not going to like '21 not matter what. LOL It just was not going to happen. I probably could have been the best game ever made and I would have hated it like it had borrowed money.

Then '22 came along and a good friend got me a copy and said I had to play it. It really is a great game. I like the changes and it shows a lot of hope for the future of the franchise as a whole. It plays one of the best games ever on the field of play and I am beyond happy the went back to a logical financial system. The Load Outs stuff is just crap and I hate the changes they have made to RTTS but thats all I will say in the negative about the game itself.

But I am just not feeling it with '22. It is fun and I like playing it. But there is no longer any soul in the game for me, for lack of a better phrase. I am back to being unmotivated because there is no future for my franchise. If I want next years game or the year after that, I have to start over again.

That just SUCKS

[DonkeyJote]

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Probably stating the obvious, but maybe not anymore. That’s exactly how they want you to feel. They want you to have your little experiences on the current game, milk it for what it’s worth, and the second they put out something new, they want you to have to buy it. This is how all sports games operate now. The feature hasn’t been left out due to programming laziness I’m afraid.

Y2Y saves encourages you to buy the new game because you can continue your old franchise. It removes a great deal of the incentive to stick with last year's game as the new one comes out.

I don't think it's laziness. Developers aren't lazy. This is an industry notorious for brutal work schedules. They're trying to make the best game they can. Every studio is. A "lazy" development studio would be out of business.

There's likely a reason for it being removed. It could be features they're planning on adding wouldn't be compatible. We didn't see any this year, but if they're planning on stuff in the next 2-3 years, it doesn't really make sense to spend the time (which is not unlimited) to program back in y2y saves if it's only for a year. It could be things like the expanded playoffs, or maybe changing up what ratings they put in the game (which seems possible to be since there are ratings that don't really do much in most of the game in their current state). It could also be that cross gen or cross platform complicates it. Could be something related to co-publishing with MLB and needed features to be equal across platforms (and doing y2y on Xbox or Switch may be more difficult than on PS).

Y2Y saves was a great feature. And I'd be thrilled if it came back. But, there is probably a reason this franchise was really the only one to ever do it, despite it being a feature that greatly encouraged yearly buying, especially in a pre DD/MUT/MyTeam world. It's probably a lot more complicated, with drawbacks, than it seems or EA and 2k would have done it in their games a long time ago.

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[Bullit]

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I am stressing way to much over this folks. The issues all lie with me. I have really bad anxiety and other issues and boy I do not handle change well right now at this point in my life.

So everything is getting put on hold. Obviously I can't and wont stop playing The Show. But I have to do something. So I am starting fresh in both games that I am enjoying, that is '20 and '22, and going back to basics.

I am starting a Single Team franchise is both games. No 30 team control, No sliders just Baseball. I don't know what the future holds for The Show moving forward and everything is just speculation. But I am tired on so many levels. Its time to just shut off the noise and play the game. I really need to find my center again and find some peace, literally.

I appreciate you all so much. A lot of folks on here have gotten me this far in life. Sure we all have our moments and I am certainly not proud of all of mine. But this is a GREAT community. I am not going anywhere and will always be around to throw in my opinions, wanted or not, and I am always here for anybody that need a shoulder.

Love ya all

Peace

edit: I meant '20 and '22 still hate '21 with a passion of a burning sun. LOL

[canes21]

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Though I ended up never using the feature, while we had Y2Y I would get 3+ seasons in each season. I'd plan to use the feature, then I didn't, but it motivated me to get multiple years in despite my issues with the franchise mode.

Funny enough, I was dead set on using Y2Y in 22, but then it was removed. Since the removal, I've failed to even complete a full season because I lack any motivation to get through it because I already know the potential to use Y2Y isn't there.

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