Changing Closers to Relievers

[keylo36]

Re: Changing Closers to Relievers

I'll change a pitcher's position from RP to CP, or vice versa if I happen to catch it. I was almost at the All-Star break and I was looking at the NL closers just to see who was leading in saves and I noticed that Jansen from Atlanta only had 6 saves. I went to Atlanta's pitching rotation page and saw they had an RP also listed as a CP and that pitcher was the one racking up saves for them. I can't remember the pitcher's name but I switched him from CP to RP and placed Jansen in the closer spot.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Changing Closers to Relievers

I'll change a pitcher's position from RP to CP, or vice versa if I happen to catch it. I was almost at the All-Star break and I was looking at the NL closers just to see who was leading in saves and I noticed that Jansen from Atlanta only had 6 saves. I went to Atlanta's pitching rotation page and saw they had an RP also listed as a CP and that pitcher was the one racking up saves for them. I can't remember the pitcher's name but I switched him from CP to RP and placed Jansen in the closer spot.

If you're playing with updated ratings, probably Minter. If launch ratings, probably Yates. Both had higher overalls than Jansen.

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[keylo36]

Re: Changing Closers to Relievers

If you're playing with updated ratings, probably Minter. If launch ratings, probably Yates. Both had higher overalls than Jansen.

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It is Minter. In my Franchise, I updated his rating based on a recent update and he's listed as a 92and Jansen is an 86. I just noticed that even if I switch Jansen to be a closer, the CPU will make Minter the closer. I've made sure Minter's position is listed as RP and Jansen as CP but the CPU keeps switching their spots in the pitching rotation screen.

[DonkeyJote]

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It is Minter. In my Franchise, I updated his rating based on a recent update and he's listed as a 92and Jansen is an 86. I just noticed that even if I switch Jansen to be a closer, the CPU will make Minter the closer. I've made sure Minter's position is listed as RP and Jansen as CP but the CPU keeps switching their spots in the pitching rotation screen.

The CPU doesn't care about "closer" or "reliever" in determining roles. It goes by overall. A big reason why its dumb they're separate positions.

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[tessl]

Re: Changing Closers to Relievers

What would be the benefit of changing closers to relievers? Nothing forces you to use a closer as a closer.

[keylo36]

Re: Changing Closers to Relievers

What would be the benefit of changing closers to relievers? Nothing forces you to use a closer as a closer.

The only difference I can think of is it can affect All-Star voting. If you're using a player who's listed as RP as your closer then that player will be grouped with the RP voting and not the CP voting.

[Jr.]

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What would be the benefit of changing closers to relievers? Nothing forces you to use a closer as a closer.

I do it for CPU teams, so they're more likely to use their best RP as the closer, and are willing to switch during the season if the guy they have is struggling.

[DonkeyJote]

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What would be the benefit of changing closers to relievers? Nothing forces you to use a closer as a closer.

It puts them all in one list. Makes it easier to sort through and find relievers. And if there isn't any real benefit to having "closers", why not? It's not really a separate position irl.

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[DonkeyJote]

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I've found this isn't an issue in my franchise. Changed all CPs to RPs before the first season, 6 drafts in and not one CP has been drafted.

Though I also turn scouting to manual for all teams so there's no discovery or actual scouting by any teams

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Finally got to the next draft to test what this effects.

Weird thing, the CPU doesn't draft closers because there are none. When I look at my scouting, there are 27 closers listed. 3 are blue chippers. When I go to draft, not a single one is available to be drafted. Tried it several times, it was always 0 for me. They're just gone.

So I tried several runs in other scenarios. If every team has 1 player at closer, only 2-5 are available. If every team has the minimum 3, it's 4-6 closers available. If every team has 6 closers, it was 8-15 available. Tried it with 244 closers in the league (avg of 8 per team). Got 11-23 available to draft.

Seems really weird that how many players available from the scouting list seems to be tied to how many players are at that position in the league.

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[DarthRambo]

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Finally got to the next draft to test what this effects.

Weird thing, the CPU doesn't draft closers because there are none. When I look at my scouting, there are 27 closers listed. 3 are blue chippers. When I go to draft, not a single one is available to be drafted. Tried it several times, it was always 0 for me. They're just gone.

So I tried several runs in other scenarios. If every team has 1 player at closer, only 2-5 are available. If every team has the minimum 3, it's 4-6 closers available. If every team has 6 closers, it was 8-15 available. Tried it with 244 closers in the league (avg of 8 per team). Got 11-23 available to draft.

Seems really weird that how many players available from the scouting list seems to be tied to how many players are at that position in the league.

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That is one of the strangest things I've heard. I only have one CP per team. Whoever their MLB closer is. If he is injured them I edit the RP to be CP. Everyone else is a RP, so no technical CP in the minors. I only did this to make managing their bullpen easier on me when I went to edit their rotations and bullpen setups. But very weird the connection you're talking about.

For drafting I had manual scouting and manually drafted blind for all teams so no idea what the cpu would've done. I wanted to draft for them to avoid them taking too many CP and Catchers. I wonder if all positions are tied together like this with the draft.

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[DonkeyJote]

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That is one of the strangest things I've heard. I only have one CP per team. Whoever their MLB closer is. If he is injured them I edit the RP to be CP. Everyone else is a RP, so no technical CP in the minors. I only did this to make managing their bullpen easier on me when I went to edit their rotations and bullpen setups. But very weird the connection you're talking about.

For drafting I had manual scouting and manually drafted blind for all teams so no idea what the cpu would've done. I wanted to draft for them to avoid them taking too many CP and Catchers. I wonder if all positions are tied together like this with the draft.

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I had been going with 0, but wanted to see what would happen, so I saved before the draft. I had done manual scouting and drafting for my team, but let the CPU draft themselves. And on the first run noticed that 0 closers had been drafted, which was the opposite of what I think most would logically be an issue with every team at 0 closers. So I reloaded and switched to manual drafting just to see what the pool was, and there were none. That's when I started experimenting.

From what I could tell, the drafting pool is drastically smaller than what is available in the scouting screens. I noticed only around 50% of the catchers listed pre draft actually in the draft most runs. There was one test where there were only 6 CFers available. So I think it's very possible. Seems like a glitch. Might even do a bug report just in case. I doubt too many people have noticed this. I was going to test to see if it effected other positions, but switching positions around was just getting to be a bit much for me.

So what I ended up doing is giving each team 7-10 closers, and 9 closers ended up being drafted. Then I changed everyone back to relief pitcher except for every team's major league closer (if they have one guy, teams bouncing between a few have everyone as "RP"), for All-Star voting purposes.



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