The Impact of Derek Jeter in The Show

[GridironGreat]

Re: The Impact of Derek Jeter in The Show

As a fellow Mets fan, and being a New Yorker, whats on paper doesn't matter, Jeter was on news in NY almost every other night for great plays in the felid.

Jeter may not have been the best in the field but he certainly was not the worst.

Thank you.

[Keirik]

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I dont think he meant it as an insult. No need to get so triggered. From a defensive standpoint he was not a great fielder. Was he a winner 100% would have taken him for sure. He knew how to hit in big spots. But defense he was not a wizard

Really…the New Englander incorrectly says a HOF Yankee not only isn’t good at defense, but says he’s the worst SS defensively in THE HISTORY OF THE GAME….
But yeah, he didn’t mean that as an insult lol.

[goillini03]

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Derek Jeter, by analytical ratings, may be the worst shortstop (regular playing time) of all time.

According to FanGraphs, his TZ (Total Zone Rating) is listed as 104 out of 104 at a -71 rating over his entire career.

From 2002 (start of the advanced rating category on FanGraphs) through 2014, his UZR was dead last amongst qualified shortstops at -66.1. If we remove 2013 and 2014 to still account for All Star years and remove his last two seasons, he was still dead last at -58 UZR.

Using the same time frame, his Range Rating was last amongst qualified SS at -89.3.

Where Jeter ranks well, is with Fielding percentage. He comes in at #27 on the list of qualified shortstops at .976.

So, he made plays when he could get to the ball, the problem is that he range and ability to get to the ball was poor.

Worst SS of all time? Not with the bat. With the glove? There is a good argument. Definitely the worst regular playing time SS of his era.

Jeter is a legend because of his Bat (OPS+ of 115), 3000+ hits, great playoff performances and being the Captain of some great NY teams.

I love Jeter. I am glad that he is in the game. However, if Jeter’s career started in 2014, he would have been moved to 2B.

[CBoller1331]

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I love the "Derek Jeter was actually a bad defender" argument as much as the next guy (mostly just to stir the pot), but I wouldn't put too much stock into defensive metrics from the mid-early 2000's. Without some of the player/ball tracking they have now with statcast, some of those metrics don't really say a ton more than fielding percentage. That isn't to say they are completely useless, I'd just be hesitant to say a guy was the worst of all time based on metrics that really weren't even relevant for most of his career

[goillini03]

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Sure and that is a fair argument. I think that most people remember the highlights and that clouds their vision.

[Caulfield]

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all I know about Jeters defense is he never hurt the Yankeed by being their everyday SS. I orginally fell on the side of cover guys making minimum impact, but where somebody like Jeter (or Mariano Rivera) could make an impact is in NYC, a city of 8 million people

[LegendKillerOne]

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Really…the New Englander incorrectly says a HOF Yankee not only isn’t good at defense, but says he’s the worst SS defensively in THE HISTORY OF THE GAME….
But yeah, he didn’t mean that as an insult lol.

He stating the facts based on the metrics. We can choose to ignore them what we want and use them when we want to suit our needs but all he did was state a fact.

I mean does any of it really matter? Is Jeter going to send any of us a check for defending him?

Its all just chatter. I would rather see Jeter on the cover then Josh Donaldson.

[Caulfield]

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Its all just chatter. I would rather see Jeter on the cover then Josh Donaldson.

as a fan of the Crimson Tide, I didnt really want him on the cover back in 16 lol
but if he had been in a Braves uni instead of anywhere else, I would have been okay with a War Eagler on the cover
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