MLB 24 Article about YTY saves...

[bronxbombers21325]

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It's not a conspiracy. It's based on lack of ROI for them. My issue is that the claim is it is too techically complex for them to do. I challenge that statement. It can be done, but it would cost them too many man hours and eat into their budget. It's not a high priority for them even though many users have been calling for it for years.

Not sinking time and money into something that isn’t worth said time and money is business 101.

[Armor and Sword]

MLB 24 Article about YTY saves...

I got over Y2Y being retired after 2021.

My core issues and why I have stuck with 20 are not feature related (the lack of Y2Y and SOTS on PS5 versions just compound my dissatisfaction).

It is that they have caved to their new majority of players that are exclusively playing DD and the core changes to hitting and the ease of pitching vs the cpu. And hey that is a business 101 decision. Take care of those that feed you. Sports games today (save for NBA2K23/24 with My Era Mode) while gorgeous and functional do not target my game-style any longer.....just a fact and a reality.

Strictly gameplay reasons for me. They lost me on that.

They still put out a high quality game. No question.

But my frustration lies with fundamental changes to their hitting engine that have left me......disappointed.

That's life.....I play what I love.

MLB 20 until I feel for my taste and playing style they move back to ratings primarily driving the ship....not twitch stick skills.

I am too old for that crap lol.


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[CBoller1331]

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It's not a personal wishlist...it's a feature they had, took out, and many roster creator guys here consistently look forward to having them return it to the series.

And all those ridiculing my post with references to the devs sitting around and taking their limos to work, etc...re-read my post. I did not attack the devs. It is a decision made at a higher level because this is low on the priority list on how and where they spend their money.

I get it. For many of you, SDS can do no wrong...or you are willing to overlook issues. One thing about these boards...it seems as if you start down a path that criticizes SDS or the game, you get your legs chopped off. I don't get it.

Carry over saves/rosters have been asked for for years to be brought back into the game. They choose not to. It's based on priorities, ROI, and budgets. But for them to say it can't be done because too complex is just a way to validate their decision, even though it could be worked through.

I'll admit, my response was probably unnecessarily snarky and didn't really add to the discussion.

But I think your main point is directly refuted by the article, which is why I responded:

Based on conversations I’ve had with people within the industry, the feature is difficult to maintain and can create instability in other parts of the game. That difficulty is to be behind its removal three years ago.

According to multiple people with expert knowledge of the development of an annual sports video game title, this is one of the reasons no other franchise has attempted to emulate what The Show did from 2015 through 2021.

I get an 8 paragraph article about a video game isn't the epitome of journalism, but I don't see any reason not to take the author's word for it that there is more to the carry-over saves feature than just "database management" like your post suggested. Is it possible? Sure, they proved that from 2015-2020, but the idea that the feature isn't complex doesn't seem to be backed up by anyone within the sports gaming industry. Of course budget constraints, low ROI, and different priorities are part of the equation - but all of those things are likely because of how complex the feature would be to add back.

[Armor and Sword]

MLB 24 Article about YTY saves...

I'll admit, my response was probably unnecessarily snarky and didn't really add to the discussion.



But I think your main point is directly refuted by the article, which is why I responded:







I get an 8 paragraph article about a video game isn't the epitome of journalism, but I don't see any reason not to take the author's word for it that there is more to the carry-over saves feature than just "database management" like your post suggested. Is it possible? Sure, they proved that from 2015-2020, but the idea that the feature isn't complex doesn't seem to be backed up by anyone within the sports gaming industry. Of course budget constraints, low ROI, and different priorities are part of the equation - but all of those things are likely because of how complex the feature would be to add back.

It's highly complex.....what was assumed the reasoning behind it being decommissioned though was expansion and upgrading of the core Franchise mode.

If anyone really thinks franchise mode is that much different from 2021 thru now 2023 and thinks "wow it's so much better now"

Yeah I don't agree with that.

I played a ton of MLB 22.....was the same exact mode it had been prior to PS5.

My son plays 23......I did not even like the changes to scouting at all.

My point is.....nothing groundbreaking has taken place with franchise mode (Stadium creator is a great feature don't get me wrong)....and I also would say I was one who felt not a whole lot needed to be done save for expanded rosters!!!! And I truly thought that was in the fold.

Nope.

The real reason for the removal of Y2Y in my opinion....because that's all we really have to go on....is the switch to multi platform, feature parity and ROI to making it possible for XBOX when that transition occurred.

Selfishly when this lost its PS exclusivity that was the beginning of the end of it being the game we knew and played the last 15 years.

Anyway we can go back and forth.....bottom line is if you love it that's cool.

My son enjoys it well enough.....but then he will see me streaming 20 and tell me "Ahhh the good old days" LOL!!!

You bet yer *** I also got him a USB stick and DL 50 plus classic rosters for him as well!!! He will thank me one day for that.


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[Ghost Of The Year]

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I'll admit, my response was probably unnecessarily snarky and didn't really add to the discussion.

But I think your main point is directly refuted by the article, which is why I responded:



I get an 8 paragraph article about a video game isn't the epitome of journalism, but I don't see any reason not to take the author's word for it that there is more to the carry-over saves feature than just "database management" like your post suggested. Is it possible? Sure, they proved that from 2015-2020, but the idea that the feature isn't complex doesn't seem to be backed up by anyone within the sports gaming industry. Of course budget constraints, low ROI, and different priorities are part of the equation - but all of those things are likely because of how complex the feature would be to add back.

It's similar to the fact we CAN put a human on the moon, but there is also a reason why we haven't done so since 1972.

[jcar0725]

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I got over Y2Y being retired after 2021.

My core issues and why I have stuck with 20 are not feature related (the lack of Y2Y and SOTS on PS5 versions just compound my dissatisfaction).

It is that they have caved to their new majority of players that are exclusively playing DD and the core changes to hitting and the ease of pitching vs the cpu. And hey that is a business 101 decision. Take care of those that feed you. Sports games today (save for NBA2K23/24 with My Era Mode) while gorgeous and functional do not target my game-style any longer.....just a fact and a reality.

Strictly gameplay reasons for me. They lost me on that.

They still put out a high quality game. No question.

But my frustration lies with fundamental changes to their hitting engine that have left me......disappointed.

That's life.....I play what I love.

MLB 20 until I feel for my taste and playing style they move back to ratings primarily driving the ship....not twitch stick skills.

I am too old for that crap lol.


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I'm not trying to refute what you're saying, but I play 23 the exact same way as I played 20 and earlier versions. Once I adjusted the settings, I feel the game on the field feels the same as 20, etc.

Franchise to me hasn't changed much at all for years now, and I'm not a fan of the new scouting because I like simplicity. I would like some Franchise love, but I also don't want more time spent and more complicated and tike consuming add ons. If that makes sense.

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[Armor and Sword]

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I'm not trying to refute what you're saying, but I play 23 the exact same way as I played 20 and earlier versions. Once I adjusted the settings, I feel the game on the field feels the same as 20, etc.

Franchise to me hasn't changed much at all for years now, and I'm not a fan of the new scouting because I like simplicity. I would like some Franchise love, but I also don't want more time spent and more complicated and tike consuming add ons. If that makes sense.

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I may have to give 23 a bigger chance at some point because what ATG's classic roster crew has done is nothing short of amazing.

But that damn blue circle......oops did I just say that? Lol.




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[jcar0725]

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I may have to give 23 a bigger chance at some point because what ATG's classic roster crew has done is nothing short of amazing.

But that damn blue circle......oops did I just say that? Lol.




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Ahhhh, yeah, the blue circle......

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[KnightTemplar]

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[/QUOTE]my frustration lies with fundamental changes to their hitting engine that have left me......disappointed. [QUOTE]

Straying a bit from the topic I’ve got to say that I recently returned to 20. Now 23 IS a quality product and I hope 24 takes a leap, but after a dozen games on 20 I personally agree with you.

I also noticed almost immediately the strike zone for one. In 23 I got too many questionable “huh?” strikes called. I haven’t seen that on 20. Check swings in 23…..can’t catch a break, notice a real difference in 20.

I play with auto field/manual throw and even tho the blue circle was a terrible programming decision I need to be involved somewhat in fielding. My first game in 20 my head went back a bit on a fly out. No d#amn blue circle.

Sorry, back on topic.

[baconbits11]

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Not whining just expressing my opinion.

I have no clue about programming or whatever it’s called but it seems there is some low hanging fruit that would really enhance the stadium creator.



Yellow borders atop the outfield walls

Distance markers on the walls

Signage on the walls.

Add different types of turf and roofs with this and I'm good.

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[Armor and Sword]

MLB 24 Article about YTY saves...

Back on topic.

I think most of us grizzled veterans of this series realize Y2Y is most likely never making a return.

So with that being said what I really hope to see to pull me back in is:

Clean screen returns (blue circle go away if we toggle it off)

Roster import feature. That was on 20. My hope is they finally do expand the rosters to include full single A and an international signing period.

Improvements for roster makers in equipment (retro equipment, ease of face making etc) and huge long time asks for expanded stadium creator improvements (retractable roofs, artificial turf, signage, bullpens etc etc)

Scouting needs to improve. It went backwards in functionality and ease of use. A draft board/target board is sorely needed and also with expanded rosters we need more rounds of the draft. Player contracts need improvement, and we all know AI needs an overhaul in lineup, bullpen
And trading.

A return of SOTS? Maybe? Hopefully?

And with the removal of Y2Y I really expected a larger focus on franchise mode.

I also hope they rethink check swings and the hitting engine again. I may be in the minority but it went backwards since 20.


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[IndianSummer]

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20 is a great game but it has its downfalls as well compared to 23.
20 the runners rarely advance on a pitch to the backstop.
The base running is to station to station. Running game in 23 is superior on these issues.

23 has a definite issue on the AI side at the plate, there is not enough contact resulting in too many strikeouts. Check swings are not forgiving enough. All the strikeouts also results in lower defensive assists. Blue circle I have managed to somewhat tolerate it.
I personally think 23 is to easy. I have always been a HOF player and now I’m playing Legend with the slider tilted toward the AI in an effort to reduce strikeouts and increase contact but it really hasn’t helped.

[KnightTemplar]

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20 is a great game but it has its downfalls as well compared to 23.
20 the runners rarely advance on a pitch to the backstop.
The base running is to station to station. Running game in 23 is superior on these issues.

23 has a definite issue on the AI side at the plate, there is not enough contact resulting in too many strikeouts. Check swings are not forgiving enough. All the strikeouts also results in lower defensive assists. Blue circle I have managed to somewhat tolerate it.
I personally think 23 is to easy. I have always been a HOF player and now I’m playing Legend with the slider tilted toward the AI in an effort to reduce strikeouts and increase contact but it really hasn’t helped.

Spot on. Being a graphic whore myself….20 does not have the 4k look of 23. I’m definitely conflicted waiting for 24.

[CBoller1331]

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It's highly complex.....what was assumed the reasoning behind it being decommissioned though was expansion and upgrading of the core Franchise mode.

If anyone really thinks franchise mode is that much different from 2021 thru now 2023 and thinks "wow it's so much better now"

Yeah I don't agree with that.

I played a ton of MLB 22.....was the same exact mode it had been prior to PS5.

My son plays 23......I did not even like the changes to scouting at all.

My point is.....nothing groundbreaking has taken place with franchise mode (Stadium creator is a great feature don't get me wrong)....and I also would say I was one who felt not a whole lot needed to be done save for expanded rosters!!!! And I truly thought that was in the fold.

Nope.

The real reason for the removal of Y2Y in my opinion....because that's all we really have to go on....is the switch to multi platform, feature parity and ROI to making it possible for XBOX when that transition occurred.

Selfishly when this lost its PS exclusivity that was the beginning of the end of it being the game we knew and played the last 15 years.

Anyway we can go back and forth.....bottom line is if you love it that's cool.

My son enjoys it well enough.....but then he will see me streaming 20 and tell me "Ahhh the good old days" LOL!!!

You bet yer *** I also got him a USB stick and DL 50 plus classic rosters for him as well!!! He will thank me one day for that.


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I won't pretend that we've seen massive franchise improvements since they took out YTY saves, but I do take the dev's word for it that they have been working on rebuilding some of the old code that franchise was built on that made it difficult to change some of these things. Maybe I'm just gullible or seeing things with rose colored glasses, but I've liked some of the groundwork they've laid with some of the player/trade logic changes they've made - although there's still plenty to improve. Even though those don't seem like massive changes, I could see how they would make YTY saves more complicated.

While it's not really my cup of tea, I think that March to October has been sort of their "playground" to test out new ideas and rebuild their season modes from the ground up. Hopefully it eventually leads to a fresher, more fleshed out franchise mode as opposed to just a streamlined version, but IDK if that's really their intention with it.

[CBoller1331]

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Back on topic.

I think most of us grizzled veterans of this series realize Y2Y is most likely never making a return.

So with that being said what I really hope to see to pull me back in is:

Clean screen returns (blue circle go away if we toggle it off)

Roster import feature. That was on 20. My hope is they finally do expand the rosters to include full single A and an international signing period.

Improvements for roster makers in equipment (retro equipment, ease of face making etc) and huge long time asks for expanded stadium creator improvements (retractable roofs, artificial turf, signage, bullpens etc etc)

Scouting needs to improve. It went backwards in functionality and ease of use. A draft board/target board is sorely needed and also with expanded rosters we need more rounds of the draft. Player contracts need improvement, and we all know AI needs an overhaul in lineup, bullpen
And trading.

A return of SOTS? Maybe? Hopefully?

And with the removal of Y2Y I really expected a larger focus on franchise mode.

I also hope they rethink check swings and the hitting engine again. I may be in the minority but it went backwards since 20.


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Definitely agree with most of these. I'm optimistic that we see Single-A roster expansion very soon. My theory is that's why they snatched up Ridin this last cycle. They seemed to rotate through minor leaguers in each roster update this year. I could see that as being "prep" to for having a larger player base to use in order to roll out expanded rosters this year.

I also think that if you were planning on expanding to include Single-A rosters, you would want to do that before getting too far along in any roster logic updates within franchise mode, since that would probably introduce more problems along the way.