"Sweeper" vs. Slider vs. Sweeping Curveball

[InASimulation]

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AND they need to figure out how to program a choice to throw a sixth pitch, and make reduce the minimum pitches in repertoire from three to two.

This 100%.
Wishful thinking here: Hope they integrate the MLB Gameday 3D animations, that could solve a lot of pitching motion/batting stance issues.
The pitching motions are stiff. And MLB has animations recorded for every play that happens in a MLB or AAA stadium.
Plus:
+ Remove outlier and scale all fastball velo (sinkers, seamers, cutters, running fbs) to 100 mph.
+ Tweak all changeups on the same velo ceiling as sliders, while keeping the same changeup floor (70-92 mph instead of 88-70 mph).
+Give not scanned/cap pitchers the same velocity ceilings/floors as face scanned pitchers.
+Make 104+ mph a thing outside of the Satchel Paige storyline.
+Buff forkball horizontal movement.
+A super stretch: a robust create a pitch based off how editing a face works, like editing the grips and stuff… and like a pitch motion editor that works the same way as editing batting stances.

It would be truly sick if they added a real pitch speed option, it would literally change the game.

Man, I could go on and on and on and on about this.

[LegendKillerOne]

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I think they said late in the season last year Sean Manea started throwing a sweeper and that helped his game. I am not sure if it was more a sweeping curveball or just a sweeper but curious to see it in action this year

[CBoller1331]

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This 100%.
Wishful thinking here: Hope they integrate the MLB Gameday 3D animations, that could solve a lot of pitching motion/batting stance issues.
The pitching motions are stiff. And MLB has animations recorded for every play that happens in a MLB or AAA stadium.
Plus:
+ Remove outlier and scale all fastball velo (sinkers, seamers, cutters, running fbs) to 100 mph.
+ Tweak all changeups on the same velo ceiling as sliders, while keeping the same changeup floor (70-92 mph instead of 88-70 mph).
+Give not scanned/cap pitchers the same velocity ceilings/floors as face scanned pitchers.
+Make 104+ mph a thing outside of the Satchel Paige storyline.
+Buff forkball horizontal movement.
+A super stretch: a robust create a pitch based off how editing a face works, like editing the grips and stuff… and like a pitch motion editor that works the same way as editing batting stances.

It would be truly sick if they added a real pitch speed option, it would literally change the game.

Man, I could go on and on and on and on about this.

Having separate horizontal and vertical break ratings would be awesome too

[Ghost Of The Year]

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I think they said late in the season last year Sean Manea started throwing a sweeper and that helped his game. I am not sure if it was more a sweeping curveball or just a sweeper but curious to see it in action this year

He does throw the "sweeper" now. Plus, I think why his pitch speed picked up, he isnt having to throw as many inning now that he's in the bullpen. But if his stamina is still high enough, I will use him in the rotatipn in my Mets franchise.

[LegendKillerOne]

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He does throw the "sweeper" now. Plus, I think why his pitch speed picked up, he isnt having to throw as many inning now that he's in the bullpen. But if his stamina is still high enough, I will use him in the rotatipn in my Mets franchise.

He going to be a starter for us on the Mets so, Yeah the sweeper is a little slower then the slider I would think. I find in the Show I get a lot of strikeouts on a good slider. Pitcher has to have a good one though

[Ghost Of The Year]

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I saw a pitcher with 2 literally sliders early on, it was J.T. Ginn but they fixed that early

I didnt realize they fixed Ginn. Its weird they didnt fix him in 22, he still has 2 sliders.

[Cod]

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PitcherList put out a solid article about the sweeper during ST last year that I still reference occasionally: https://pitcherlist.com/a-sweeping-s...hot-new-pitch/. Article provides a good breakdown of the pitch compared to sliders, slurves, and curveballs. The big take away is that the sweeper is a form a slider that has more unpredictable movement because pitch metrics (spin rate, velocity, etc.) don't match up to the movement we're seeing vs expected.

[nuckles2k2]

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This 100%.
Wishful thinking here: Hope they integrate the MLB Gameday 3D animations, that could solve a lot of pitching motion/batting stance issues.
The pitching motions are stiff. And MLB has animations recorded for every play that happens in a MLB or AAA stadium.
Plus:
+ Remove outlier and scale all fastball velo (sinkers, seamers, cutters, running fbs) to 100 mph.
+ Tweak all changeups on the same velo ceiling as sliders, while keeping the same changeup floor (70-92 mph instead of 88-70 mph).
+Give not scanned/cap pitchers the same velocity ceilings/floors as face scanned pitchers.
+Make 104+ mph a thing outside of the Satchel Paige storyline.
+Buff forkball horizontal movement.
+A super stretch: a robust create a pitch based off how editing a face works, like editing the grips and stuff… and like a pitch motion editor that works the same way as editing batting stances.

It would be truly sick if they added a real pitch speed option, it would literally change the game.

Man, I could go on and on and on and on about this.

Sony needs to see this post.

Especially the parts about scaling +/- to 100mph, tweaking pitch ceilings and floors by pitch type and for the love of everything we hold dear... please give non-scanned players the same ceilings/floors.

Tired of using a splitter to replicate a straight change with upper 80s+ velo in RTTS.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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Here's another pitch Sony needs to put a little TLC into: Minnesota closer Duran has a splitter that he throws 98 MPH but you can't replicate that speed with that a splitter currently. Some are calling his splitter a ''Splinker'', a hybrid splitter/sinker. In any event, it's one nasty pitch I'd love to see in the Show.

[Cod]

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It would be truly sick if they added a real pitch speed option, it would literally change the game.

Konami's Pro Yakyuu Spirits (PYS) has had a real pitch speed option since PES 2015 and you're correct, it's a game changer. Here's an example from PYS 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz7WgX-CgD0.

Really, adding motion blur to the game alone would improve the pitcher / batter realism.

[ChaseB]

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Bumping for an early afternoon post as well but will use this thread.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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Here's another pitch Sony needs to put a little TLC into: Minnesota closer Duran has a splitter that he throws 98 MPH but you can't replicate that speed with that a splitter currently. Some are calling his splitter a ''Splinker'', a hybrid splitter/sinker. In any event, it's one nasty pitch I'd love to see in the Show.

Very similar to Randy Johnson once he started settling down.

He wasn't hitting that high velocity though..

[ChaseB]

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Article is also up, thanks to those in the thread for carrying the convo, just wanted to put it all together in a more organized fashion on the whole and bring it all together

[Ghost Of The Year]

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If the developers decide against adding the new sweeper, or any other pitch they don't currently have, like the gyro, I would like to see them make it possible to allocate the same pitch in multiple pitch slot selections. And if they could go one step beyond that, let us edit the name of pitches. Like if I were playing with Doc Gooden, I could rename his curveball Lord Charles. Or rename Tyler Glasnow splitter/curve hybrid a slutter.

[DonkeyJote]

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I wish they'd just go the 2k route and have separate horizontal and vertical ratings for pitches, so pitches could have their appropriate movement profiles.

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