Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

[Happy29]

I know natural regression is part of the game but it feels like it happens too fast in the game. I played the first game of the season in my franchise (no spring training) and advanced to the next day. I looked through the teams rosters and noticed lots of players have already decreased in their attributes. So I bumped them back up and went to the next day only to find many of those players had again regressed along with many more while I never see any players attributes ever increase in short time spans like that. Maybe I'm being nitpicky but the entire ratings and potential system seems very flawed to me.

[JWDixon120]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Regression has been broken for awhile in The Show sadly.

Players hit 10 years of service time and fall off a cliff. Guys like Mike Trout, Chris Sale, etc. are unusable after the All Star Break once they hit like age 32.


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[ripwalk]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Regression has been broken for awhile in The Show sadly.

Players hit 10 years of service time and fall off a cliff. Guys like Mike Trout, Chris Sale, etc. are unusable after the All Star Break once they hit like age 32.


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Unusable seems like a stretch.

I’ve simmed into 2037 with my test franchise so far. Both Trout and Bryce Harper were good, solid major league contributors until they retired I believe around age 38.

[JWDixon120]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Unusable seems like a stretch.

I’ve simmed into 2037 with my test franchise so far. Both Trout and Bryce Harper were good, solid major league contributors until they retired I believe around age 38.

Can you send a screenshot of any of this guys? Just curious to see their ratings.

Anyone 32+ for me tanks to a 60 OVR after 2 years lol. Find myself re rating guys left and right.


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[Happy29]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Can you send a screenshot of any of this guys? Just curious to see their ratings.

Anyone 32+ for me tanks to a 60 OVR after 2 years lol. Find myself re rating guys left and right.


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Yeah I have to do that myself constantly

[Willis135]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Early in the season, lots of players will show minor regression for some reason. However in my experience eventually those same players depending on age and potential will progress as the season goes on.

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[ripwalk]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Can you send a screenshot of any of this guys? Just curious to see their ratings.

Anyone 32+ for me tanks to a 60 OVR after 2 years lol. Find myself re rating guys left and right.


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There are very few OG MLB players left in the world now that I’m in 2038, so won’t be able to provide screenshots of them.

But I do recall I believe at least 5 years into the sim, Trout and Harper were on the same team (it was pretty stacked lineup around them too) and were 5th and 7th hitters in the lineup. So definitely still useful at age 37/38 and I know their overalls were still at least in the 70s (sorry I don’t have more specifics I was simming through pretty quickly and focused more on bullpen IP numbers versus MLB player ratings)

I know in 2038, Pete Crow-Armstrong was still in a prominent spot in a lineup and he’d be 35 by that point with more than 10 years of service. Similarly, I do recall Paul Skenes at similar age still being good at this point in the sim.

I’ll look for more details and actual ratings next time I’m in game. But … it’s my (anecdotal for now) experience that players who were elite in their prime can usually hold on to be solid/decent past their mid 30s. Yes their ratings drop off a lot, but that’s pretty accurate to real life too as you get over 35, for most everyone except Nolan Ryan types.

I’m certainly not saying regression and progression couldn’t be improved, but I also don’t think players instantly become unserviceable after a certain age or time.

[WillieB1214]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

I go through players over 35 at the end of every month and “hold” their ratings for them if they are having a good year. If they aren’t playing well then I let it ride

[Therebelyell626]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

The regression you are seeing is performance regression during spring training. Players will see improvements/regressions based on their performance during spring. The only thing is they have to get a certain amount of at bats. Guys with 20-70 at bats don’t usually get this boost/downgrade

[Happy29]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

The regression you are seeing is performance regression during spring training. Players will see improvements/regressions based on their performance during spring. The only thing is they have to get a certain amount of at bats. Guys with 20-70 at bats don’t usually get this boost/downgrade

I didn't go through spring training

[Happy29]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Regression has been broken for awhile in The Show sadly.

Players hit 10 years of service time and fall off a cliff. Guys like Mike Trout, Chris Sale, etc. are unusable after the All Star Break once they hit like age 32.


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I've said this for years and I really wish The Show would take a page out of their book with the ratings system, but I think NBA 2K has the ratings system down perfectly. There's an overall potential a minimum potential and a peak potential but there's also a peak start age and peak end age. Each player is different. One guy may reach his peak at 25 and hold it until he's 38, while another may not reach his peak until he's 28 and will only hold it until he's 31. It gives a more realistic feel to how players rise and fall. Maybe once they switch to next gen only they can revamp the game and fix a lot of these issues

[djflock]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

The regression you are seeing is performance regression during spring training. Players will see improvements/regressions based on their performance during spring. The only thing is they have to get a certain amount of at bats. Guys with 20-70 at bats don’t usually get this boost/downgrade

Not true because it's only regression and largely with older players. Young players who have an amazing spring training don't get large ratings boosts and vice versa if they had a bad one.

Like someone mentioned before, there is just something weird at the start of seasons where older players will lose rating points. But after that initial decrease, they often progress through the rest of the season.

Also like someone else mentioned, I think you have to manage progression/regression yourself largely. On a monthly basis, I go in bump up or down like the top 3 and worst 3 performers for each team. I also look at the league leaders in the minors and bump up and down like 25-30 players. This is most important to me because it allows for there to be "breakout" prospects. Something that isn't replicated in the game at all.

But overall, progression/regression is horrible. Doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason and is nowhere near as dynamic as it needs to be in baseball. Even if you just look at the show's bi weekly ratings updates. Players will often jump up 10 rating points in a couple months. Relievers who started the year rated at 61 might be a 80 by the end of the June if they are having a breakout season, etc.

[ripwalk]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Regression has been broken for awhile in The Show sadly.

Players hit 10 years of service time and fall off a cliff. Guys like Mike Trout, Chris Sale, etc. are unusable after the All Star Break once they hit like age 32.


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Circling back to this, I think it’s important to not just throw random misinformation out there.

I checked ratings in my 2038 league, and this is only a sample of the players on FOUR teams who are still in the game in their mid 30s, most with 10+ years of service and on a scale between still serviceable or even star type ratings still in some cases :



34 years old- 12 years service - 85 overall
34 years old - 10 years service - 74 overall
39 years old - 13 years service - 79 overall
37 years old - 13 years service - 73 overall
36 years old - 9 years service - 78 overall
38 years old - 17 years service - 72 overall
34 years old - 12 years service - 75 overall
35 years old - 12 years service - 85 overall
34 years old - 11 years service - 92 overall
36 years old- 13 years service - 87 overall
36 years old - 12 years service - 76 overall
35 years old 13 years service - 89 overall
34 years old - 11 years service - 77 overall
35 years old - 9 years service - 75 overall


So maybe this has changed in v24, but it is unequivocally not true that all players fall off a cliff at age 32 and/or 10 years of service.

I’m actually liking what I’m seeing from the regression here.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Circling back to this, I think it’s important to not just throw random misinformation out there.

I checked ratings in my 2038 league, and this is only a sample of the players on FOUR teams who are still in the game in their mid 30s, most with 10+ years of service and on a scale between still serviceable or even star type ratings still in some cases :



34 years old- 12 years service - 85 overall
34 years old - 10 years service - 74 overall
39 years old - 13 years service - 79 overall
37 years old - 13 years service - 73 overall
36 years old - 9 years service - 78 overall
38 years old - 17 years service - 72 overall
34 years old - 12 years service - 75 overall
35 years old - 12 years service - 85 overall
34 years old - 11 years service - 92 overall
36 years old- 13 years service - 87 overall
36 years old - 12 years service - 76 overall
35 years old 13 years service - 89 overall
34 years old - 11 years service - 77 overall
35 years old - 9 years service - 75 overall


So maybe this has changed in v24, but it is unequivocally not true that all players fall off a cliff at age 32 and/or 10 years of service.

I’m actually liking what I’m seeing from the regression here.

This actually was improved some in 23 as well. The 10 years of service and 32 year old fall off thing still happens but it is not an absolute.

If you sim enough to test, like I do and have, last year you saw players regress better. When you start a franchise, players who are 32 or 10 years of service do tend to regress a bit faster. But you certainly saw players be active in the league longer and had more gradual regression.

It is not perfect, but it is better than a game like 20, in this sense. There is still some of that quick fall off at those milestones but it is definitely not an absolute.

I have done no testing of this on 24 yet so I can't speak to it but it sounds like it is close to 23 with some tweaking done to regression. Still a long way to go but it has incrementally stepped in the right direction and was honestly the best change in 23. More so than the new scouting and draft system.

[JWDixon120]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Circling back to this, I think it’s important to not just throw random misinformation out there.

I checked ratings in my 2038 league, and this is only a sample of the players on FOUR teams who are still in the game in their mid 30s, most with 10+ years of service and on a scale between still serviceable or even star type ratings still in some cases :



34 years old- 12 years service - 85 overall
34 years old - 10 years service - 74 overall
39 years old - 13 years service - 79 overall
37 years old - 13 years service - 73 overall
36 years old - 9 years service - 78 overall
38 years old - 17 years service - 72 overall
34 years old - 12 years service - 75 overall
35 years old - 12 years service - 85 overall
34 years old - 11 years service - 92 overall
36 years old- 13 years service - 87 overall
36 years old - 12 years service - 76 overall
35 years old 13 years service - 89 overall
34 years old - 11 years service - 77 overall
35 years old - 9 years service - 75 overall


So maybe this has changed in v24, but it is unequivocally not true that all players fall off a cliff at age 32 and/or 10 years of service.

I’m actually liking what I’m seeing from the regression here.

I did some further testing on this years version and can confirm what you said above.

It does seem better. It’s not perfect, but definitely better than it had been.

Apologies for the stir I caused lol.

My only gripe is those guys towards the end of their careers can never retire on top. Scherzer, Morton, (old, old guys) becomes truly awful.

I wished they’d maintain/slowly decrease their form for a year and then call it quits at a mid 70’s OVR in the offseason and it as a 60 OVR guy in AAA.


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