MLB The Show 25 Screenshots

[GeorgeCostanza16]

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What a surprise! The Show looks pretty much the same as it did last year! There was a thread going around here a while ago about how The Show needs a bit of a 'boost' or changes and needs some life injected into it. I caught some flack for saying it's boring, needs big changes and that the graphics looked the same for roughly a decade.


It's just so meh. Everything looks meh. I'm also guessing the game will play meh and all of the usual issues with logic, trades etc will be meh. It's just not exciting anymore and there's been no real changes. The presentation, players and basically everything just seem like a very linearly scripted, poorly rendered baseball program. It's not organic and more on topic - graphically it's not good.



Next year, though!

It is so sad how true this is.

[GeorgeCostanza16]

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Yep. They’ve also removed the ‘built from the ground up’ bit of text. I just checked.

Wow, that's pretty damning lol.

[tessl]

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I have no issues with people who want better visuals. I have no issues with people who want better AI logic.

I have no issues with any of that. We all want a better game. I myself sat out 21 and pretty much to a lesser extent 22 because I was dissatisfied with where the game went and 23 and now 24 absolutely sucked me back in.

But one thing I never lost sight of is how I expressed my dissatisfaction. I don't think anyone here has issues with anyone expressing what shortcomings the game has had or still has. I think sometimes though the form is really bad for some posts. Be respectful.

I don't agree with some people's thoughts that this game looks dated.....I love it. I think it's a beautiful game of baseball in motion.

There are those who don't. Oh well.

I just keep playing and not worry about public opinions. I think as long as things remain civil (and in this forum they typically do for the most part) and people don't fall prey to "trolling an agenda posting" we can discuss the game like adults and agree to disagree on some aspects and move on.

No one here is part of any contrived problem......those who love the game and enjoy playing it will purchase it. Those who don't can sit it out....that's your choice.

And yes we all can be guilty of meltdowns every now and then. I remember when 21 came out I was furious about Y2Y saves and roster importing (was only there for one cycle on 20) as well as SOTS being dropped (not on SDS as Sony does not have MP3 capability for PS5 and the PS4 games are played on a separate motherboard inside the PS5). I was also very disheartened about check swings on 21 and 22 and many agreed with that sentiment and some poo poo'd it. However I never lost sight to remain civil and objective and not get into pissing matches with other forum members and also bash the dev team. And low and behold check swings have improved a ton since 21.

Now......the franchise improvements to me are debatable....yes they have made incremental improvements but at the cost of losing Y2Y? Yeah I am not so sure it was a good trade off so far. But that's ok.....I learned to approach the game differently. Why? I love baseball, I love playing The Show and I found a new way to approach franchise mode to make it very satisfying for me personally. I chose not to waste energy and lament.....and instead I chose to focus on how can I make my gameplay experience better due to the lack of Y2Y saves (which was the greatest feature they ever created to this day bar none).

If more people redirected their negative energy on "how can I make this game better for myself" vs wasting energy on complaining about literally the same thing every cycle.....well you get my point.

But again......that is your choice and I respect that. But only as long as you respect those of us who love the game, still play it and stop labeling fans of the game the problem. I am not going to complain about your complaints LOL....that's a waste of my time. Instead I play the game and you can keep on posting what you don't like.....I obviously can't help you. But I will complain about you if you are complaining that my love for the game is holding it back......preposterous hyperbole. Just stop that.

Nope....we are not the problem. That narrative is absolutely ridiculous and counterproductive to the community as a whole. People who enjoy a game that you don't are the problem??!!!

Think about that for a moment and how selfish that really is.

Sorry you don't have a baseball game you enjoy....that's on you and in your opinion on SDS....but it certainly is not on us the players who play the game and enjoy the heck out of it.

That crappy narrative needs to end.

Great post and I agree. Y2y is doable. We know that because the devs have said the won't rule it out in the future.

One of two things will get me to buy a new mlbts. y2y saves or fixing the problems with the draft and progression in franchise. The player quality is based upon a predicted progression model that in no way matches reality. They need to either fix progression or generate better players so that they won't need much progression to be good players.

Not bashing the devs who have made a fantastic game. Just disappointed that these core issues are being discounted while limited developer resources are spend on things less important. For example they spent time on morale and then removed it the following year.

Great game. I'll keep playing 23 until they address one or both of the core issues. Too frustrating to buy a new game only to discover the same issues persist.

[PhlliesPhan6]

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The crazy thing is that there are some really good presentation/stat overlays that only show while the game is idle for a moment.

I'm hoping these will be "fixed" so that they show up during the course of the game without letting it idle for a minute or so.

And yes it was shared with SDS

I still never understand why the full batter walkup overlay only shows up during certain times. It's much better looking than the one that pops up out of the score bug.

[LegendKillerOne]

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I'm not blaming others for not having a meltdown. I'm saying it's time we demand a better product and stop fabricating excuses for why we don't.

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You mentioned in my response to my original post being ok with the graphics that we should demand a better product.



Even though I am not unhappy with the product lets say I was. How should I go about doing that?



Should I not buy the game? Even though baseball is my favorite sport and there is nothing else to play. I highly doubt they will miss my $70


Should I go to the studio and stand outside with a sign? I think they would just walk past me and giggle.


I mean when you asking people to take a stand the amount of people you would need to back this play and make a difference is more than the total on these boards.


I am happy, I like the game, life is short this is my favorite game. I am going to keep buying it

[djflock]

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If more people redirected their negative energy on "how can I make this game better for myself" vs wasting energy on complaining about literally the same thing every cycle.....well you get my point.

So my issue with this if we talk about bullpen logic or lineup logic or teams promoting players or teams promoting prospects who sit the bench , etc....

There is no solution or way to make it better other than managing the 30 teams yourself. There might be a yearly discussion like in Madden or NBA 2k for workarounds to things because they actually change things. If we want to know the best way to setup a cpu bullpen, you can go look at an archived post from 6 years because they literally have not TOUCHED it. And I'd give them the full benefit of the doubt of they were doing something to address it but they just leave it the same for people in here to defend them by saying " they dont have the resources."

[MiracleMet718]

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All this talk about graphics and what I find funny is that the most popular and best rated games in the market right now are games that don’t have top of the line graphics (Fortnite, Roblox, Minecraft, Rocket League) and the games that are “cutting edge” graphically are some of the lowest rated games (Battlefield, Cyberpunk, Black Ops 6, any of the new Star Wars).

Was watching a YouTube video where it was explaining that companies have invested so much time and effort in worrying about pushing the graphical boundaries of games only for them to backfire in bad reviews and people not playing them as much. The main reason given was that young people who play now have always had really good looking games, even back to the 360/PS3 days, so they care more about great stories and having community fun with friends. Hence why there have been a bunch of layoffs lately because the money spent pushing the boundaries was found to be better spent on just making better, more community focused games.

Nothing really to do with MLBTS, but was an interesting watch and figured while we were talking graphics, I might as well share it. Well that and I figured we could all use a break from the back and forth bickering.

[Armor and Sword]

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So my issue with this if we talk about bullpen logic or lineup logic or teams promoting players or teams promoting prospects who sit the bench , etc....

There is no solution or way to make it better other than managing the 30 teams yourself. There might be a yearly discussion like in Madden or NBA 2k for workarounds to things because they actually change things. If we want to know the best way to setup a cpu bullpen, you can go look at an archived post from 6 years because they literally have not TOUCHED it. And I'd give them the full benefit of the doubt of they were doing something to address it but they just leave it the same for people in here to defend them by saying " they dont have the resources."

I don’t disagree with fans frustrations with AI logic. I share in that same frustration as well. I do use 30 team control but that’s not a viable solution for most players.

Personally I have no defense of SDS in why this has not been dealt with in a more meaningful way over the last several years. One thing I am sure of is….they are well aware of it.

I just wonder if it is a very challenging issue
code wise…..I don’t know to be honest. Not my lane. I know nothing about making or writing code.

Turning sliders….yeah I can tune a finished game to what I want to get out of it….but making games? I simply have no clue what is going on under the hood to precent them from improving the AI logic.

So again I think a lot of us here share that same dissatisfaction when we see poor CPU management.

[jcar0725]

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So my issue with this if we talk about bullpen logic or lineup logic or teams promoting players or teams promoting prospects who sit the bench , etc....

There is no solution or way to make it better other than managing the 30 teams yourself. There might be a yearly discussion like in Madden or NBA 2k for workarounds to things because they actually change things. If we want to know the best way to setup a cpu bullpen, you can go look at an archived post from 6 years because they literally have not TOUCHED it. And I'd give them the full benefit of the doubt of they were doing something to address it but they just leave it the same for people in here to defend them by saying " they dont have the resources."

I'm under the assumption that these bullpen issues, and roster managements issues are an ongoing coding problem for sports games, having a roster manager for the CPU that thinks like a human must be pretty difficult. I have yet to play a sports game where the CPU didn't make weird moves. Getting the CPU to think like a human, I have no idea how that wold work. And also might call for a complete overhaul of the game, which financially might not be something they want to do at SDS, who knows. I sure don't. Maybe its all fixed in '25.

When a lot of issues arise, they get fixed. We get patches and fixes. So its not like they release a game and then go "see ya next year". So if the fix can't be made, my opinion is that it would required a major overhaul to do so, because it would require an amount of work that would be financially not feasible at that time to fix it.

And it doesn't help us franchise guys when a huge amount of sports game costumers play online where its not really that relevant how the CPU behaves outside of gameplay.

[djflock]

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All this talk about graphics and what I find funny is that the most popular and best rated games in the market right now are games that don’t have top of the line graphics (Fortnite, Roblox, Minecraft, Rocket League) and the games that are “cutting edge” graphically are some of the lowest rated games (Battlefield, Cyberpunk, Black Ops 6, any of the new Star Wars).

Was watching a YouTube video where it was explaining that companies have invested so much time and effort in worrying about pushing the graphical boundaries of games only for them to backfire in bad reviews and people not playing them as much. The main reason given was that young people who play now have always had really good looking games, even back to the 360/PS3 days, so they care more about great stories and having community fun with friends. Hence why there have been a bunch of layoffs lately because the money spent pushing the boundaries was found to be better spent on just making better, more community focused games.

Nothing really to do with MLBTS, but was an interesting watch and figured while we were talking graphics, I might as well share it. Well that and I figured we could all use a break from the back and forth bickering.

I'm playing Star Wars now on PS pro and the graphics are not good. In your argument , you leave out all the highly rated games with great graphics like Red Dead , Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us, God of War, Final Fantasy , etc.

MLB already has great gameplay... just waiting on the graphics, player models, grass and dirt , etc.

[MiracleMet718]

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I'm playing Star Wars now on PS pro and the graphics are not good. In your argument , you leave out all the highly rated games with great graphics like Red Dead , Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us, God of War, Final Fantasy , etc.

MLB already has great gameplay... just waiting on the graphics, player models, grass and dirt , etc.

Red Dead’s graphics weren’t considered anything special at the time, but agree with others. The point was though that while game developers were focused on graphics, the stories were lacking. RDR2 had one of the best stories ever and why it was so successful.

As you said though, the point is MLBTS already has the best gameplay in the market, so just need updated graphics since it’s there. Although some people in this thread seem to think the gameplay isn’t that good either

[DrPhibes]

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I really wish they would have a creation suite where we can upload high quality images for logos and uniforms for teams.
This has been a thing in sports games for over a decade dating back to team builder on like NCAA 10.

[djflock]

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I'm under the assumption that these bullpen issues, and roster managements issues are an ongoing coding problem for sports games, having a roster manager for the CPU that thinks like a human must be pretty difficult. I have yet to play a sports game where the CPU didn't make weird moves. Getting the CPU to think like a human, I have no idea how that wold work. And also might call for a complete overhaul of the game, which financially might not be something they want to do at SDS, who knows. I sure don't. Maybe its all fixed in '25.

When a lot of issues arise, they get fixed. We get patches and fixes. So its not like they release a game and then go "see ya next year". So if the fix can't be made, my opinion is that it would required a major overhaul to do so, because it would require an amount of work that would be financially not feasible at that time to fix it.

And it doesn't help us franchise guys when a huge amount of sports game costumers play online where its not really that relevant how the CPU behaves outside of gameplay.

You're kind of screaming into the void. I've accepted that it is not something that is easy or even possible for them to fix. My problem is that it has been the same exact thing for 8-9 years now. Like literally untouched. I dont need the CPU to "think like a human". I need them to stop using the game logic that was implemented in 2016 that has them setting their lineups like the Tommy Lasorda Dodgers.

There's post of people here talking about how we should focus on "workarounds". I want THEM to focus on workarounds to assist their outdated logic if it's too complicated for them to fix.

For example in 2k, I think it would be very hard for them to build a lineup logic where it would make Manu Ginobli , who might the 3 highest rated player on the team , come off the bench. So they implemented an option for the player in the player edit screen where you click yes to force a player to come off the bench and the cpu will not start that player.

Also In 2k, much like the show, their logic is going to always play the highest rated player at the position. But to allow you to manipulate this for the cpu, they have a rating called "intangible", You can increase or decrease this to manipulate the overall rating for the player which then allows you to control where the player will sit in the rotation.

All in all to say, I'm pretty sure everyone has given up on their ability to create or make great logic in these departments. Just give us other tools or implement some workarounds to help us and help your logic.

[Crimsoncomet]

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I still never understand why the full batter walkup overlay only shows up during certain times. It's much better looking than the one that pops up out of the score bug.

Completely agree! Miss it so much when you would see it nearly every AB

[breakfastcat]

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Red Dead’s graphics weren’t considered anything special at the time

Completely off topic at this point, but this is absolutely untrue. RDR2 is still talked about as one of the most beautiful games ever made.