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  • TeixeiraFanatic
    Pro
    • Feb 2008
    • 925

    #106
    Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

    Originally posted by JoeRyan33
    As a centerfielder, it was 2.67 and we're measuring them as centerfielders.
    Oh how many games did he play as a center fielder?
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    • JoeRyan33
      It's RBIs or ribbies
      • Jan 2008
      • 1005

      #107
      Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

      Originally posted by TeixeiraFanatic
      Oh how many games did he play as a center fielder?
      More than he played in RF...


      111 according to Baseball Reference. Sample size for a season isn't an issue.
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      • JermaineDye05
        Rookie
        • Dec 2008
        • 408

        #108
        Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

        Originally posted by JoeRyan33
        Sizemore gets better every season? Care to explain that?
        Well playing the Sox he does at least lol. Since he I don't follow the Indians, the only games I see are when they are playing the White Sox. He kills us, that's putting it lightly. So from my perspective it looks like he's getting better every season.

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        • TeixeiraFanatic
          Pro
          • Feb 2008
          • 925

          #109
          Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

          Originally posted by JoeRyan33
          More than he played in RF...


          111 according to Baseball Reference. Sample size for a season isn't an issue.
          Have him play 40 more games there and see how is range factor is.
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          • burds13
            Rookie
            • Mar 2007
            • 67

            #110
            Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

            Originally posted by tree3five
            I figured Nate McLouth would be at least in the top ten. oh well.

            Willy Taveras?
            His time is comin' along with Adam Jones'!!!!!!!!!!!
            O's, Stroh's and Natty Boh's!!!

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            • burds13
              Rookie
              • Mar 2007
              • 67

              #111
              Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

              Originally posted by JoeRyan33
              OK, I'm now prepared to say the ratings in this game are a joke.

              Josh Hamilton is the best centerfielder in baseball, and it's not even close.
              Offensively, maybe.

              Certainly not even close defensively.
              O's, Stroh's and Natty Boh's!!!

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              • ty5oke
                87%
                • Feb 2003
                • 2912

                #112
                Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                Originally posted by JoeRyan33
                How much difference does a +32 rate compared to a +8 rate in steals make in the course of a season? I don't value the stolen base as highly as some. Hitting is more important in creating runs.

                Hamilton still topped him in runs created per 27 either way.
                You didn't even answer my question. I assume you mean the stats speak for themselves with regards only to RBI's? How do the stats show that Hamilton is "handily" better than Sizemore. I can't even say who's better, but somehow you can say that Hamilton is "handily" better than Sizemore.
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                • JaSnake16
                  Knows what evil lurks...
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 478

                  #113
                  Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                  IMO, Sizemore should be #1 on this list. He is really a top 10 talent in all of baseball and had to carry that team in the 2nd half last year offensively especially without Pronk and Martinez doing much of anything which might help explain his lower average. Hamilton though should be #2 or 3. Close between him and Beltran. Theres no way he should be behind Ellsbury who scouts are still on the fence about. It had been posted that ratings are based on the past 3 years. Ellsbury has done little in that span beyond last years second half compared to Hamilton who at least played a solid season and 3/4 (injury). He could either be the next Kenny Lofton (did it all) or hes gonna be the next Juan Pierre (thank god for those legs) but thats gonna take time to figure out forget him being the 6th best CF in MLB now. My opinion:
                  Sizemore
                  Hamilton
                  Beltran
                  Upton
                  Granderson
                  Hunter
                  Victorino
                  Kemp
                  Wells
                  McLouth
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                  • JoeCoolMan24
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 1255

                    #114
                    Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                    How is Granderson not on this list? This is just as bad as Quentin not on the LF list, honestly.

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                    • miamimarlins1
                      Banned
                      • May 2007
                      • 490

                      #115
                      Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                      Russell please amend this list immediately. Cameron Maybin hit .500 last year. No player in the history of baseball ever hit .500

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                      • dtigers63
                        Rookie
                        • May 2006
                        • 174

                        #116
                        Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                        Originally posted by miamimarlins1
                        Russell please amend this list immediately. Cameron Maybin hit .500 last year. No player in the history of baseball ever hit .500
                        LOL, Good One.

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                        • green94
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 3131

                          #117
                          Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                          Originally posted by Jamal G.
                          Not only was Nate McLouth the worst defensive center fielder in baseball, but he posted a .257/.331/.437 vital line from June 1st throughout the end of the season.
                          I wasn't aware that the first two months of the season didn't count. My fault.

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                          • tree3five
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 4006

                            #118
                            Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                            Originally posted by Jamal G.
                            Because nobody who enjoys the statistical analysis aspect of baseball would ever dare to argue "Fielding Percentage" in a discussion about a player's defense?

                            McLouth was -40 using Bill James' Plus-Minus system as a center fielder in 2008; that means he made 40 fewer plays than the league-average defender at that position (worst in baseball). Also, his UZR/150 was 14.3 runs below average (costing his team roughly one win by himself over the 2008 season) - not to mention taking into account range runs only, he was 15.9 below average. In terms of range and actually getting to the ball (which is the most important thing an outfielder can do, which is why fielding percentage is an unbelievably stupid stat to use), Nate McLouth was not only the worst center fielder in baseball in 2008, but one of the ten-worst outfielders in baseball.

                            Lastly, discounting his abhorrent defensive value for a second, he hit .257/.331/.437 not including the first two months of the season, he isn't that good.
                            wow,what do you got against McLouth? lol.

                            This kid can play ball. I saw him play CF every game last year, he made some fantastic plays in CF, I'm not saying hes the best CF in the league but hes above average (Gold Glove, he had to catch some attention)

                            He was tied for 1st in the NL with 46 doubles. He Hit 26 HRs. He had 94 RBIs even though he led off most of the year. 23 SBs, the guys only been thrown out 5 times in 62 career attempts (91%).

                            among NL CFs:
                            113 runs (2nd)
                            165 hits (4th)
                            46 doubles (tied 1st)
                            26 HRs (2nd)
                            94 RBIs (2nd)
                            .276 AVG (5th)
                            .356 OBP (3rd)
                            .497 SLG (2nd)
                            .853 OPS (2nd)

                            Yes he did tail off at the end of the season, but it was his first full season as a starter, he got fatigued.

                            my mistake for expecting him in the top 10
                            Last edited by tree3five; 02-25-2009, 10:08 PM.

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                            • ShowTyme15
                              LADetermined
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 11853

                              #119
                              Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                              Originally posted by miamimarlins1
                              Russell please amend this list immediately. Cameron Maybin hit .500 last year. No player in the history of baseball ever hit .500
                              taha considering he only played in 8 games right? LOL

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                              • CubbyFan23
                                Rookie
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 57

                                #120
                                Re: Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

                                McLouth was not above average or anywhere near it in CF. He would be decent in a corner spot but he was the worst CF on defense last year.

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