Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

[swaldo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

So, you're not suggesting it, but you're suggesting it. You really hated to have to suggest they're liars, huh?

I have no problem calling them out as liars if my research confirms the game cheats. Right now I don't have a conclusion. We were trying to have a discussion on this until you guys came in here knocking everyone on their a**. It seems the same group is always calling people whiners. I don't care, you can try to shut me up all you want but I'll keep coming back sharing my thoughts.

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I have no problem calling them out as liars if my research confirms the game cheats. Right now I don't have a conclusion. We were trying to have a discussion on this until you guys came in here knocking everyone on their a**. It seems the same group is always calling people whiners. I don't care, you can try to shut me up all you want but I'll keep coming back sharing my thoughts.

Look man, nobody was knocking anyone, we asked for data, and provided our results which were MUCH different with SCREENSHOTS to prove it which others have not.

Show screenshots of the games, utilize the feature, until then it is all hearsay.

A dev confirmed there is none of this in the game, yet it is still going on with only 10 games of data? Baseball is a marathon, and is a 162 game season. CPU vs CPU means nothign since the code would be there against the use people claim.

Wow man. Anyone who was attacked, it was the ones who were told by these people they are "defending their purchase", "they are loyalists", "devs are liars" and "they are on cahoots with the devs".

They got defensive and personal that we were trying to suggest the issue was with how they manage the games, esepcially late in them.

The darn game plays you HARD from inning 1 through 9. My goodness.

[jim416]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I have no problem calling them out as liars if my research confirms the game cheats. Right now I don't have a conclusion. We were trying to have a discussion on this until you guys came in here knocking everyone on their a**. It seems the same group is always calling people whiners. I don't care, you can try to shut me up all you want but I'll keep coming back sharing my thoughts.

So, here we go folks. Sorry, but these developers visit the OS forums for a reason. This has nothing to do with whiners, so get off it. The devs come here because we have been objective critiques for them and there are a lot of great baseball minds here LONG BEFORE YOU STROLLED IN. But, I guess the mods here really don't care if the producers/devs of this game look in here and see they are being called out by some people here, especially with you who have no problem with calling these people liars 'IF YOU HAVE TOO".

Hey, let's just pack it up for you swaldo. I have no idea how you've been able to go so long with your inferences this long. It's just mind boggling.

[bears5122]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

So does anyone know exactly what clutch does? Has there ever been an explanation? If clutch plays an important role in close games, it could be a reason why there are so many comebacks even without a comeback code. It has to do something and have an impact somewhere, so maybe that's the explanation for why we do see so many close games go back and forth.

[ChubbyBanana]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

But, I guess the mods here really don't care if the producers/devs of this game look in here and see they are being called out by some people here, especially with you who have no problem with calling these people liars 'IF YOU HAVE TOO".

I would say that's the complete opposite of the truth.

No one knows the game better than the Devs themselves. They designed it.

Therefore the bashing/name-calling of any developer on this site is not acceptable, and it will not be tolerated.

Not here in the SCEA MLB Baseball forum, not in the Madden forum, not anywhere on these boards.

[jim416]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Well, I'll take a hit and you know I've discussed all kinds of stuff with you in PM. What he has been inferring is way over the top. We need, and should respect the devs for coming here. He isn't and it's completely overlooked. If I'm out of line with what he's saying then so be it, but man this is really a change.

[KOL]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

All we need is constructive criticism, as jim said the devs come on here looking for that not constant bashing.

[theaub]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Holy giant thread Batman.

I suck equally at this game with zero, one and two outs.

[ChubbyBanana]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

All we need is constructive criticism, as jim said the devs come on here looking for that not constant bashing.

You are 100% Correct.

Constructive Criticism will never be frowned upon.

[Millennium]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

All we need is constructive criticism, as jim said the devs come on here looking for that not constant bashing.

Bingo.

Don't want to close this thread, but it's got one shot left.

Also - The devs are very aware of my stance with them . We won't tolerate trolling or bashing.

[swaldo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Just want to clarify I haven't bashed any dev - I merely suggested that if a game is programmed to cheat then nobody is going to admit it. I haven't made any accusations the game is cheating, but have seen some abnormalities which I want to take a better look at. Others are seeing the same things, I am not the one who started this thread.

Big brother stepped in and stated I was calling the devs out as liars - that's not the case and if I do feel cheating is in the game then I will play by the rules and not bash the devs - I'll just post my data for discussion.

[jcern23]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Sadly, I have read and been involved with this whole thread. I would have to say at no point did I ever see anybody bash a developer. Now, what people consider bashing can be difference of opinion. Trying to prove that the public is seeing something that the developers might not have intended to occur in the game that I have seen. Over and Over. Then Enigma and Jim hammer them and highlight lines in their post and degrade them as if they have no right to post their opinions. I respect these developers 100 percent, even though I might have been skeptical about something that goes on in their game that they say does not exist. Tell you the truth I am starting to believe them more each day I play. I think the game is harder when your up but thats baseball. I think they might have made it a little too hard when your up but thats not a bug or a comeback AI so I believe them. Just stinks that some people on these boards have to be so harsh and have big heads over a video game like they are playing 3rd base wearing number 13, and blowing bubbles when they strikeout with the bases loaded.

[Millennium]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Just want to clarify I haven't bashed any dev - I merely suggested that if a game is programmed to cheat then nobody is going to admit it. I haven't made any accusations the game is cheating, but have seen some abnormalities which I want to take a better look at. Others are seeing the same things, I am not the one who started this thread.

Big brother stepped in and stated I was calling the devs out as liars - that's not the case and if I do feel cheating is in the game then I will play by the rules and not bash the devs - I'll just post my data for discussion.

Here is my question - if they programmed the AI to cheat, then why did they add a "Comeback" option to the game?

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Just want to clarify I haven't bashed any dev - I merely suggested that if a game is programmed to cheat then nobody is going to admit it. I haven't made any accusations the game is cheating, but have seen some abnormalities which I want to take a better look at. Others are seeing the same things, I am not the one who started this thread.

Big brother stepped in and stated I was calling the devs out as liars - that's not the case and if I do feel cheating is in the game then I will play by the rules and not bash the devs - I'll just post my data for discussion.

So you say you are not calling devs liars, then when they said there is no such mechanic, you then say you don't believe them.

Okay, glad I am on the same page.

And you still have to get personal and sling names such as "big brother" around.

Good grief.

We tried to be civil, people got defensive because everyone plays the game perfectly when starting these discussions. And nobody can do any wrong or develop any sort of pitching pattern the computer can pick up on.

The bottom line is, what especially people are failing to grasp, the game plays you hard inning 1 through 9. That is the key. And in no way has any indication of "comback AI" ... of course the devs said that, and you are not calling them liars. :wink:

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Sadly, I have read and been involved with this whole thread. I would have to say at no point did I ever see anybody bash a developer. Now, what people consider bashing can be difference of opinion. Trying to prove that the public is seeing something that the developers might not have intended to occur in the game that I have seen. Over and Over. Then Enigma and Jim hammer them and highlight lines in their post and degrade them as if they have no right to post their opinions. I respect these developers 100 percent and even though I might have been skeptical about something that goes on in their game that they say does not exist. Tell you the truth I am starting to believe them more each day I play. I think the game is harder when your up but thats baseball. I think they might have made it a little too hard when your up but thats not a bug or a comeback AI so I believe them. Just stinks that some people on these boards have to be so harsh and have big heads over a video game like they are playing 3rd base wearing number 13, and blowing bubbles when they strikeout with the bases loaded.

Nobody is hammering anyone or degrading them or WE WOULD HAVE BEEN disciplined. And you of all should check your post history on constructive discourse or not before you call the kettle black.

We made suggestions way back in this threads infant state, which got us bashed because nobody can rationally step outside their box for a minute and take in some constructive feedback.

Instead they act as most humans on the globe, and that is reactionary posting. Playing 5 games out of 100+ game marathon all of a sudden constitutes comeback AI and anomalies the devs are lying to us about.