Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

[twiztiddarkangelman]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Yeah that's why I pulled my starter after 7 even with a shutout and confidence high, his energy was low. In hindsight maybe I should have let him continue until he walked someone or gave up a hit before I took him out. Oh well.

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Yeah that's why I pulled my starter after 7 even with a shutout and confidence high, his energy was low. In hindsight maybe I should have let him continue until he walked someone or gave up a hit before I took him out. Oh well.

That could be a part of it ... also with the relievers fully rested, I found myself personally over confident in their stuff. And did not pitch them like I should have, left too many over the plate.

Once I settled myself down, then I was able to take the proper approach, with much better results.

And that being the most recent game yesterday, with Papelbon striking out the side in the 9th of Ramirez, Bradley, Soto on just 10 pitches. With one of the batters looking. All on All-Star default. It was a 2-1 game that I won at Chicago. And the only two runs I scored were from Papi with a two run shot in the first, they got a nicely manufactured run in the 5th (with a runner on third and I opted to give the the run and take the two outs on a double play), but from then on scoreless, thanks to some heady pitches and fielding decisions.

I also made proper substitutes (double switch since Lowell pinch hit) late with such a close game, which payed off, because there was a ball laced to third which Youk probably would not have handled, yet Lowell can, and another shot to first where Papi would not have had, but Wilkerson was able to handle.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

That could be a part of it ... also with the relievers fully rested, I found myself personally over confident in their stuff. And did not pitch them like I should have, left too many over the plate.

Once I settled myself down, then I was able to take the proper approach, with much better results.

And that being the most recent game yesterday, with Papelbon striking out the side in the 9th of Ramirez, Bradley, Soto on just 10 pitches. With one of the batters looking. All on All-Star default. It was a 2-1 game that I won at Chicago. And the only two runs I scored were from Papi with a two run shot in the first, they got a nicely manufactured run in the 5th (with a runner on third and I opted to give the the run and take the two outs on a double play), but from then on scoreless, thanks to some heady pitches and fielding decisions.

I also made proper substitutes (double switch since Lowell pinch hit) late with such a close game, which payed off, because there was a ball laced to third which Youk probably would not have handled, yet Lowell can, and another shot to first where Papi would not have had, but Wilkerson was able to handle.

Yes its all of these things, (the moves) that makes baseball IMO the greatest game there is.

And to continue, the pitcher/batter confrontations late in the game are so real, I mean SCEA captured this intensity full on.

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Yes its all of these things, (the moves) that makes baseball IMO the greatest game there is.

And to continue, the pitcher/batter confrontations late in the game are so real, I mean SCEA captured this intensity full on.

That is the point we were all trying to convey. It is a whole new ballgame from '08 for those who played the heck out of '08, and for those coming from other games, it is even a bigger difference challenge wise.

You have to play the game like you would expect a real game to play out. That is why a lot are saying it is the most realistic baseball sim ever made. And I think some have yet to adjust to that. It isn't a bash, it is just all of our learning curves are different. And some may never pick up on that kind of mindset, while others will relish in it.

There were people on here getting offended when we tried to convey that you must look within yourself first. Especially when posting results of 3-10 games, and being too stubborn to adjust your approach (because everyone plays perfect mentality) does nothing to back up any claims. I swallowed my pride, adjusted because I knew I had to, and my results were different from the first 3 games I played. Many on here have adjusted can came to the conclusion the faults were in them most of the time.

To add they honestly made the game with our input on these forums. And we are not your ordinary sports gamers by any stretch. Or we would not be on here so passionate about it.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I love the challenge and the way they have made this game this year. I think they have hit a homerun with this. I mean the fluid fielding, the errors, the bad hops, etc, etc. The realism is incredible., I only answered here in this thread my experiences of my first 14 games or so, saying that I found it odd for so many of my games to be 1 run games and blown leads late in the game. I never thought that SCEA tweaked this game in any way.

[DarthRambo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

to reply to what bears said... the clutch rating for pitchers may be taken in tool much in the game, along with middle infielders. maybe try editing thos players, moving their clutch rating to 99 for 2 seperate teams, then play a few games, or watch cpu vs cpu and see what happens. i dont believe its an ai comeback code. but its something, IMO to do with player ratings. very realistic, however i think too much emphasis was put into the clutch rating of the pitchers anf fiellders. Sounds logical right??? I will try this personally and see what happens. its the only logical explanation i can think of now.


I mean c'mon guys, this thread wouldnt be at 35+ pages if there wasnt a legitament reason why. and there is. For those who dont believe in the ai comeback code, ok. i dont either, but u cant say theres abosolutely nothing happening when ppl on here are seeing the same thing. I started this thread, with the question "any suggestions? looking for the OS community help with seeing what we can do. thats what a community does, we work together. so IKm askingg politely, PLEASE if ur in this thread with no intentions to work with us, then go play the game and let those who want to figure it out, whatever it is. and if theres anything we can do about it. Thank you for your cooperation...

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Read the last few pages and many more. We have been "working with you" and "giving you suggestions" ... but to some, it isn't good enough, they still need to blame something they cant change (dev said it doesn't exist).

There just as many of us not having these issues. And provided feedback around it.

And the amount of pages means nothing. When it is the same handful posting and ignoring valuable information with their 10 game studies out of 162.

[Yanks22]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

enigma i havent been ignoring anything anymore. i've moved on and just gonna continute to play thats all. almost a waste to sit here arguing and stuff when i can be playing such an amazing game

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

enigma i havent been ignoring anything anymore. i've moved on and just gonna continute to play thats all. almost a waste to sit here arguing and stuff when i can be playing such an amazing game

You got that right. Good luck, and try out some of the approach and fielder sub pointers for them close games. I am sure your results will astonish you.

[bears5122]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

to reply to what bears said... the clutch rating for pitchers may be taken in tool much in the game, along with middle infielders. maybe try editing thos players, moving their clutch rating to 99 for 2 seperate teams, then play a few games, or watch cpu vs cpu and see what happens. i dont believe its an ai comeback code. but its something, IMO to do with player ratings. very realistic, however i think too much emphasis was put into the clutch rating of the pitchers anf fiellders. Sounds logical right??? I will try this personally and see what happens. its the only logical explanation i can think of now.


I mean c'mon guys, this thread wouldnt be at 35+ pages if there wasnt a legitament reason why. and there is. For those who dont believe in the ai comeback code, ok. i dont either, but u cant say theres abosolutely nothing happening when ppl on here are seeing the same thing. I started this thread, with the question "any suggestions? looking for the OS community help with seeing what we can do. thats what a community does, we work together. so IKm askingg politely, PLEASE if ur in this thread with no intentions to work with us, then go play the game and let those who want to figure it out, whatever it is. and if theres anything we can do about it. Thank you for your cooperation...

I don't think position players have a clutch rating. I noticed it on pitchers because I was having trouble with Kerry Wood. Noticed that his clutch was real low for a closer.

I'm just wondering if the clutch rating has too big of an impact over how a pitcher does. So in a close game, it can turn a good reliever into batting practice. I notice that I have more control over my pitches when I'm up or down big.

Has SCEA ever clarified what clutch does? When does it come into play? Personally I hope the rating is removed next year.

[Yanks22]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

You got that right. Good luck, and try out some of the approach and fielder sub pointers for them close games. I am sure your results will astonish you.

i already have, notice still a little run for run matching but i am more so able to hold them off now. just varying my pitches and speeds locations and approaching everything a lot differently. totally just focusing on certain situations playin it like you would in real life ya know? cant wait now to start my franchise (decided i'll wait til opening day probably) but thanks man for your input on things. always considered myself a good player but since 08 i gotta step it up a bit:wink:

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

i already have, notice still a little run for run matching but i am more so able to hold them off now. just varying my pitches and speeds locations and approaching everything a lot differently. totally just focusing on certain situations playin it like you would in real life ya know? cant wait now to start my franchise (decided i'll wait til opening day probably) but thanks man for your input on things. always considered myself a good player but since 08 i gotta step it up a bit:wink:

We all do. Even us hardcore '08 players. It is a refreshing change though. Glad you are having success.

[Yanks22]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

yeah i am glad though as well gives me something to work harder at. i mean in 08 i had the best era in the league the all around best pitching in the league. gonna really have to practice a lot in 09 but it'll be fun man

[DarthRambo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Ya, theres a clutch for batting but not fielding. there is one for pitchng too. this has to be why we're having so much trouble! Example, last gm i played, i was up 2-1, bottom of 9th. Lefty Robnson Cano at plate, I had lefty Rafael Perez in to get him out, then bring in Wood. first pitch, HR! too predictable that i knew i couldnt get out the inning with a save that easy.

R. Perez pitch clutch=67

R. Cano batting cltch= 70

ok, so its 3 pts higher, big deal, right? And btw, for u ppl bashing us trying to figure it out, plz dont comment on my posts again, that includes this one. thank you.

My thing is, 70 vs 67, maybe if we edit pitcher only to 99, and then see what happens., it sounds stupid, to some in here, may sound lkike cheating. but hey, im willing to try it, anyone else? I'll edit all pitchers for Indians to 99 for cltch. then play the say Tigers 5 times, go through every starter. and see if it helps. I also have pitcher consistency up to max thinking they wouldnt miss intended target so much like it seems they do in the late innings.... so anyone want to join me in trying this out? pick 2 different teams, set cltch to 99 to all pitchers for the team you play with and see what happens.

[DarthRambo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Egnima.. I said that i believe the devs. theres nlo code for ai comeback, i believe them and realy dont think there iss. im just trying to suggest ideas just like you say you have.