Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

[DarthRambo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

maybe i am digging too much. i hope i am. i hope theres nothing at all wrong with the game. but from seeing the ai comeback so often, every game i play decided by 3 or less, then i feel i need to test it. see if icould hold a given 10 run lead. winning by at least 4.

[DarthRambo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

i dont expect to blow out cpu. nor do i want to every gm. i want and am getting great games, ik see that. but ik have to test this personally before i continue on with my season. will try game 3 agakinst KC

[DarthRambo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

ok, put rosters back to default attribte settings for this one

Game 3

CLE 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 13 0
KC 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 9 0


Well with this guys, I am now convinced theres nothing going on in the game in exibition games at least. Will play some season games next(tommorrow). Will do same thing by giving Cleveland 10 run lead, then take control and try to hold it. season mode will tell it all. I'll play 5 games, from their schedule against 5 different teams. Texas, Toronto, KC, and NYY. will do this tmrw, with default roster attribute settings. i have adjusted sliders personally, but they= are in my favor so doesnt matter. in fact, AI contact, power, timing, and solid hits are all set at 0.

So, i conclude that for now, with my testing, in exibition mode there is nothing wrong with the game. Will do season gms tmrw. if anyone wants to do same thing i am in franchise, feel free. I want to get this resolved, and get this thread done and over with. together we can test these theories(i kinda started) and conclude and agree there is either something or nothing there in the game.

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

:wink:

[spyder23]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Ok, we know that the devs have set it up so that, unless you have the comeback option on, then its non-existent. Therefore, if this "comeback ai" is indeed happening, then it has to be a glitch that is triggering the option to kick in.

My question is this, is anyone putting this game through testing to see what might be triggering this glitch, assuming there is one? Is there a constant in the games that you've witnessed "comeback ai"? (same score differential, same inning, same sequence of events, same team, same venue, etc...)

I see a lot of bickering back and forth but very little "investigative gaming" to see what might be causing this glitch, again assuming its actually happening.

This is what my research team found. If ANY of this happens in your franchise... then comeback AI is guaranteed.

In the 6th inning, the Lady in White that sits along the 3rd base line MUST stand up.
(She may or may not look like Glenn Close. It all depends.)
If we can see her shadow, it's definite that the AI is coming back.

But this is only for home games and games in which the road team has won a World Series at least once in the last 15 years, give or take. I'm still crunching the numbers.

On the road, it's been a totally different story.

In Cleveland, I've found the comeback AI only happens if John Elway is in the stands.

In Toronto, there is no evidence of comeback AI.

In New York, they've seen an insane amount of suspicious activity. When Joe Girardi has come out to change pitchers, if he turns from black to white, then you know something is happening. It could the Yankee Stadium ghosts, or the comeback AI turning on. We're not 100% sure.

In Boston, they don't believe in comeback AI. In fact, they've never experienced ANY type of late inning, miraculous comeback in their rich history. Ever. They told our investigative team to leave. It was pretty disheartening.


Ok enough of my rambling...my point is, it's baseball. It happens. Last night, I was up 8-1 and in a matter of jaw dropping suckness that only the Nate Robertson's of the world can provide, my lead shrunk to 8-7. I ended up winning 9-7, so I've seen it both ways, and I do sometimes think something is up, but it's probably my pitching. I just need to get better.

This is a great game.

[countryboy]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

This is what my research team found. If ANY of this happens in your franchise... then comeback AI is guaranteed.

In the 6th inning, the Lady in White that sits along the 3rd base line MUST stand up.
(She may or may not look like Glenn Close. It all depends.)
If we can see her shadow, it's definite that the AI is coming back.

But this is only for home games and games in which the road team has won a World Series at least once in the last 15 years, give or take. I'm still crunching the numbers.

On the road, it's been a totally different story.

In Cleveland, I've found the comeback AI only happens if John Elway is in the stands.

In Toronto, there is no evidence of comeback AI.

In New York, they've seen an insane amount of suspicious activity. When Joe Girardi has come out to change pitchers, if he turns from black to white, then you know something is happening. It could the Yankee Stadium ghosts, or the comeback AI turning on. We're not 100% sure.

In Boston, they don't believe in comeback AI. In fact, they've never experienced ANY type of late inning, miraculous comeback in their rich history. Ever. They told our investigative team to leave. It was pretty disheartening.


Ok enough of my rambling...my point is, it's baseball. It happens. Last night, I was up 8-1 and in a matter of jaw dropping suckness that only the Nate Robertson's of the world can provide, my lead shrunk to 8-7. I ended up winning 9-7, so I've seen it both ways, and I do sometimes think something is up, but it's probably my pitching. I just need to get better.

This is a great game.

LMAO

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

This is what my research team found. If ANY of this happens in your franchise... then comeback AI is guaranteed.

In the 6th inning, the Lady in White that sits along the 3rd base line MUST stand up.
(She may or may not look like Glenn Close. It all depends.)
If we can see her shadow, it's definite that the AI is coming back.

But this is only for home games and games in which the road team has won a World Series at least once in the last 15 years, give or take. I'm still crunching the numbers.

On the road, it's been a totally different story.

In Cleveland, I've found the comeback AI only happens if John Elway is in the stands.

In Toronto, there is no evidence of comeback AI.

In New York, they've seen an insane amount of suspicious activity. When Joe Girardi has come out to change pitchers, if he turns from black to white, then you know something is happening. It could the Yankee Stadium ghosts, or the comeback AI turning on. We're not 100% sure.

In Boston, they don't believe in comeback AI. In fact, they've never experienced ANY type of late inning, miraculous comeback in their rich history. Ever. They told our investigative team to leave. It was pretty disheartening.


Ok enough of my rambling...my point is, it's baseball. It happens. Last night, I was up 8-1 and in a matter of jaw dropping suckness that only the Nate Robertson's of the world can provide, my lead shrunk to 8-7. I ended up winning 9-7, so I've seen it both ways, and I do sometimes think something is up, but it's probably my pitching. I just need to get better.

This is a great game.

ROFL ... oh as for your Boston comment?

Only the greatest comeback in sports history of course, and the Yankees had to be a part of it in '04. :wink:

Anyways, this post was hilarious. Thanks.

[nemesis04]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Only the greatest comeback in sports history of course, and the Yankees had to be a part of it in '04. :wink:

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Sorry, but but, he started it!

All in fun of course. It was too funny, especially the comeback part mentioning John Elway!!!

[jim416]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I knew that would wake you up. It's the only time you post, lol.

Morning Bob.

[nemesis04]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I knew that would wake you up. It's the only time you post, lol.

Morning Bob.

LOL, morning Jim!

I take my Yanks very seriously! Just think no Arod to start the league. You might actually have a chance!

[jim416]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I just did an experiment. Could mean absolutley nothing, but here goes. Franchise/Vet level/preseason game my Nats vs. Phils

Here's what I did with the sliders. First let me say that moving sliders all the way to the right or left won't mean absolute extremes in this game. For example, moving the power all the way to the right won't result in a ton of homeruns. Moving it to the left will not result in no homeruns. That's not how these sliders work.

I put my sliders for CONTACT/POWER/TIMING/SOLID HITS all the way to the right.
I put Phils same sliders all the way to the left. Below are the results of the hits/outs

Phils
HR (I must have had a ten pitch duel with Rollins who finally jacked one out, lol)
K
K
K

Nats
single
fly out
DP

1-0 Phils

Phils
double (milledge bobbled the ball in the outfield running away, runner advanced)
ground out 3rd
fly out right center, runner to 3rd
ground out 3rd

Nats
fly out right field
long fly out right center
ground out to pitcher (nice play)


1-0 Phils after 2

Phils
ground out 2nd
ground out 2nd
ground out 1st

Nats
single to center
wild pitch runner to 2nd
single to left center, runner holds at 3rd
single to center runner scores man on 1st to 3rd
SF to right center, runner scores
K

after three Nats up 2-1

Phils 4th
Utley ground out to 1b
Howard fly out to CF
fly out center

Nats (Hamels replaces Myers)
single left center
steals second
K
SF to RC runner to 3rd
K

After 4 still 2-1 Nats

Phils 5th
ground out to SS
HBP
fly out LC
K

Nats
Triple to left as outfielder comes in dives, misses ball, to the wall
sharp ground out to 1b, runner holds at 3rd (ugh)
ground out to second, runner scores
pop out 1b

Nats take 3-1 lead

Phils 6th
Rollins bunts to third out at first
Victorino pops up to 1st
Utley ground out to SS

Nats
fly out up against wall CF
pop up to 2nd
ground out to pitcher

Nats still lead 3-1 after 6

Phils 7th
ground out 2nd
single to right center
K
Feliz hits a double, run scores from 1st
ground out SS

Nats
fly out RF
ground out to 3rd
ground out to 1st

Lead is still 3-2 after 7

Phils 8th
ground out SS
pop up SS
BB
ground out SS, force at second

Nats
double down the line
sac bunt runner to third
with the infield in for the Phils
single to center, run scores
DP

Nats up 4-2

Phils 9th
Fly out LF
ground out to pitcher
double down the third base line
ground out to second.

FINAL, NATS 4-2 OVER PHILS

PHILS 100000100
NAT 00201010x

As each gamer plays different and has a different ability, possibly sliders are the answer. If there was a comeback code here, it didn't work. You can argue the sliders prevented it, but a comeback code should be a comeback code and hits should have fallen.

Again, perhaps some slider tweaks for people who are having a hard time.

[Ruffy]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

This thread is still open? wow...mods gone asleep?

The answer was given...any other opions should by in the impressions thread and not its own.

OS is becoming a cluttered mess!

The problem I'm seeing is people do not realize that baseball is a game of failure!

Good players fail at the plate 60-70% of the time!

Great teams win 100 games....well that means they lose 62 times....

I like my games realistic....and comebacks and close calls happen all the time. And weird things happen here and there as well. I worked the 2000 season in Buffalo for the Bisons...I saw 70 home games plus playoffs...there has been nothing happing in the show I never saw during that season.

Some people like to punish the CPU and win all the games.....I dont mind losing. Same threads pop up in the NHL forums.....EA rep there says the same thing about comeback AI and people still tell him BS.

Both games have improved AI which analizes how you play and adjusts to attempt to gain an advantage....hmmm sounds like good coaching. In hockey the D-men start to pinch more and take more chances in hopes of getting goals....risk rewards.

In baseball the CPU may take more pitches or looks for that 1st pitch breaking ball you have been dropping on him all game.

I'm enjoying the challenge of this game. I'm sure you guys are seeing things but if you do not realize how stats work...proving your points so far are just anomolies.....you'd have to post results for a full season to have decent results.

Also what settings are you playing on...meter pitching? Are you missing your release point? I play on classic pitching so confidence is a huge factor.

If you guys want to present an argument fine. But you need to back it up with facts and stats.

^^^^^^^^
This guys points was pure genius!

[OSUFan_88]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

In Cleveland, I've found the comeback AI only happens if John Elway is in the stands.

I hate you.

[DarthRambo]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Lol that was a great and funny post. post of the year nominee!