Big Papi David Ortiz throws a one hit gem!

[jim416]

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You've beat me to it Knight.

You're exactly right. Why would devs want to satisfy some gamer who wants to put in David Ortiz to pitch, spend time making sure that Papi is coded correctly to pitch?

[Dogslax41]

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Knight and Jim I normally agree 100% with your guys opinion. However, on this one I think you guys may be cutting the devs a bit too much slack by pinning this one as an exploit. When you pinch hit you are given the option in the following half to leave your position player on the mound so they should have considered that a position player might be used on the mound because they left it as an option. And just like there are some pitchers they gave moderate batting attributes, there are position players that should have moderate pitching attributes.

This has been present in many baseball games in the past and from what I can remember, it has usually been treated one of two ways. Either the game programming prohibits position players from taking the hill (I wouldnt suspect The Show to take that approach because it has happened in real life and frankly is the lazy option) the second being that position players are stripped of all stamina and control making them completly unusable on the mound.

Again there have been multiple instances of position players taking the mound realistic or not (Canseco) and it seems like this should be something on their radar. Not saying it should be a priority above what they chose to include by any means, but I think dismissing this as an exploit and something that would never happen is doing a disservice to the game.

[chuckm1961]

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I agree with Dogslax. It's not an exploit, in my opinion. It's a simple matter of coding non-pitchers correctly.

It is not unheard of for non-pitchers to pitch. It should be covered in the game.

[wsu_gb23]

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man....all this to show that the game is way to easy on veteran level?

well yeah, veteran is very easy. I play on HOF and I get very good results. I have gotten 2 hrs, 5 doubles and a triple in 13 hits and won 5-2.

[Dogslax41]

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I will also say that some of the comments about this showing that ratings don't matter or the game is scripted in anyway are a bit rediculous. They didn't add full blown punishment for position players taking the mound, ok so be it. Not really reasonable to use the "if not A then B, and if not B then C" logic to say that "If not A the definately C". I've never played on veteran so maybe you can pitch well just by hitting spots, if so then if you are great with the stick then yes maybe you can get away with it.

And I havent even tried it yet and wouldn't leave my position player on the mound, but I will tell you that if you take them on the mound in Legend you will see they dont need to have the additional punishment added.

[jaredm]

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Yeah, this isn't a priority. But there are lots of instances where you want a position player to be a "bad" pitcher. For example, in an extra-inning game where you've used up all your pitchers, it should be a tough decision to decide whether to exhaust your last reliever or put in someone from the bullpen. Or if you're losing a blowout, you should be able to put in a position player if you don't want to use up a reliever for a meaningless inning, and have that player perform realistically.

And this does happen, albeit infrequently. There were six position players that pitched in 2007. I can't find much on this, but this is the composite line for the last five Mets position players that pitched:

5.1 IP, 11 H, 8 BB, 2 K, 18.56 ERA

It'd be nice if position players on levels from all-star on up looked like this. (My guess is the weird change-up ratings, plus fatigue, are messing things up).

Thinking for future versions of The Show, text-based soccer games will often have a single "goalkeeper" rating for field players, based on if they have had any experience playing the position earlier in their career, or if they've played decently a last resort backup. They are still bad at their position, but not as horrible as someone who has never played. Something similar could be implemented in future versions of The Show, s.t. players who were solid pitchers in college (e.g. Brad Wilkerson, Todd Helton) have poor, but not abysmal pitching ratings. Maybe give them ratings so that their typical WHIP would be around 3 or 4 instead of 4 or 5 for a "less experienced" position player.

[Speedy]

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**Prophecy Coming**

I guarantee within the next month at least one thread will be started claiming online cheese b/c somebody was pitching with a position player.

[Ruffy]

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Veteran mode is weak....try on HOF or Legend with no zones and classic pitching. I guarentee Big Popi will be rocked.

[jim416]

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Knight and Jim I normally agree 100% with your guys opinion. However, on this one I think you guys may be cutting the devs a bit too much slack by pinning this one as an exploit. When you pinch hit you are given the option in the following half to leave your position player on the mound so they should have considered that a position player might be used on the mound because they left it as an option.

I think the "option" may be that this might be the only way they could figure out how to leave a pinch hitter in the game as a position player (something we've never had before). It's a bit cumbersome, and I screwed up the switch at first, but it does work.

If they intended, or had it coded properly, to leave a position player in they would stink up the place, correct? They don't. It's obviously not coded properly, agreed? So, I'm going to give SCEA a break on this one and not treat it like it's a glitch, but not intended to leave a position player in to pitch, but to leave your pinch hitter in the game.

[Dogslax41]

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Its all a matter of how SCEA has set up the code for the players. If pitching attributes are coded independantly then I would think it would be a possiblity to just lower the stamina and control for these players and solve the issue. People would still complain that this batter should be this level of pitcher and such but such is life.

If for some reason the coding for the pitching attributes is linked anywhere else on the player's profile then I would say it is not even worth trying to fix (fix is not really the proper term, rather add the functionality to use a position player on the mound). The last thing that anyone would want is to unbalance anything in the main game to fix an issue such as this. If it comes down to a situation of having to sacrafice elsewhere then I would agree with earlier comments that the solution should be just dont do it if it bothers you.

[djep]

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Do position players have any pitcher ratings, like the lowest ratings possible? You should be able to see these ratings once they're on the mound. If they do have ratings, and they should, then the ratings should take effect regardless of whether this was scenario that was "coded" or not.

[Dogslax41]

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I think the "option" may be that this might be the only way they could figure out how to leave a pinch hitter in the game as a position player (something we've never had before). It's a bit cumbersome, and I screwed up the switch at first, but it does work.

If they intended, or had it coded properly, to leave a position player in they would stink up the place, correct? They don't. It's obviously not coded properly, agreed? So, I'm going to give SCEA a break on this one and not treat it like it's a glitch, but not intended to leave a position player in to pitch, but to leave your pinch hitter in the game.

I never said that I thought they intended for it to be used in this manner, I simply think that they probably realized that it was an option generated by the way they chose to set up the pinch hit functionality. With this option, some may choose to used it as such and examined possible solutions, which they very well may have done.

What I disagreed with you on was your comment that why would they ever look into adding coding for position players to stay on the mound just to satisfy some "gamer". In reality this is a part of the game and might be something that they may want to look at programming a bit more, but again not even at the remote expense of other areas.

[jim416]

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I never said that I thought they intended for it to be used in this manner, I simply think that they probably realized that it was an option generated by the way they chose to set up the pinch hit functionality. With this option, some may choose to used it as such and examined possible solutions, which they very well may have done.

What I disagreed with you on was your comment that why would they ever look into adding coding for position players to stay on the mound just to satisfy some "gamer". In reality this is a part of the game and might be something that they may want to look at programming a bit more, but again not even at the remote expense of other areas.

Okay, somethings are lost in translation at the keyboard. I'm just discussing what I think and not trying to criticize you. I agree that this IS actually something that happens occassionally in real baseball. All I'm saying is that this appears to be (logistically) the only way they could figure out how to let a bench player stay in the game and didn't intend to let us leave the pitchers in as they aren't coded for that, apparently. Or, perhaps they did intend it this way, and just didn't have time to code it, or as you say do it because of the "expense of other areas".

Regardless, I still have to say this probably isn't worth all the scrutiny it's getting.

[Dogslax41]

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I definitely agree with you that 6 pages is a bit much for something that should be no more than a low priority line item in a wish list for next season's game to add functionality.

And I never thought of your response as criticism, although the self question and answer did seem a bit condescending.

In reading through the thread it just seemed like there were two schools of thought, one that this was a game killer and meant that everything SCEA programmed ratings wise was useless and the other school that this wasnt even an issue that should be considered. Neither of which IMO would be productive discussion intended at helping make a great game even better.

[chuckm1961]

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there were two schools of thought, one that this was a game killer and meant that everything SCEA programmed ratings wise was useless and the other school that this wasnt even an issue that should be considered. Neither of which IMO would be productive discussion intended at helping make a great game even better.

Give that man a cookie!

Trashing the game for every perceived error = lame

Praising the game in every post and minimizing all problems = lame

Trying to make a great game even better = not lame