The Comeback AI thread

[mer1in20]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

I also would not call it a comeback code or anything like that but I will say that there is something going on with the one inning rallies like the above poster stated. I am playing a red sox franchise and (I have counted) in 70% of my games, there is an inning where the computer just goes on an all out tear and you cannot do anything about it. They will hit balls 2 inches off the ground over the fence. What I see the most though is it seems that everytime I score at least 1 run in an inning, in the following half, the computer always scores. It is almost impossible to keep them off the board after you score. I believe that in 22 games so far, I have only had 7 innings where I have not let the computer score after I scored.

[davewins]

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How do you turn off the confidence? I think the confidence is a huge problem with the computer pitchers. When a pitcher gains high confidence there is no you are going to get a rally going. Last night I was Playing the white sox in a close game. I was down 3-2. Their pitcher was cruzing and his confidence was high. 5 times I had wheelhouse/perfect timing hits that were choppers/pop outs. Now I know not every time I swing the bat I am going to get a hit but just to watch the path of the ball looks so fake and intentional. I would understand if it was a hard hit ball caught in the out field or a hard line drive to a ss but its not.

Interesting....

I am very curious as to why sometimes I can have perfect timing and perfect stick location and hit weak hits and other times hit doubles or HR's. I am going to try to track this if I can because I think you could be correct and it has to do with the CPU pitcher's confidence.

I never actually looked at the replay like you did. I might have to do that too. All I know is some very strange things happen with the game all due to the CPU pitcher's confidence and perhaps the USER'S confidence as well. It almost seems like the game is scripted based on the confidence level (if it's extremely high/low). When the confidence is in the middle it seems like there are more variable outcomes.

I find it extremely odd that we can not turn off pitcher confidence. We can turn off pitch confidence which I think is just a graphical visual aid option anyway to track how well your pitcher has confidence in each pitch. I don't think it actually turns the confidence off. Either way we don't have an option to turn off pitcher confidence. It almost seems like the game is determined based on the pitcher confidence. I also find it odd that the CPU gets 2 mound visits an inning while we get 1. Last but not least, like Phoenix mentioned, the CPU's confidence goes right back up with their mound visit at any time. When we do a mound visit it's a crap shoot and you have to time it perfectly to get the confidence back up. Also our confidence is much more sensitive going down then the CPU's. All this is very ironic.

[davewins]

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Just lost 2 more games late.

I was playing as Anaheim (Saunders) hosting Toronto (Halladay)...I was cruising and scraped a couple runs for a 2-0 lead and held on until the top of the 8th. I bring in a fresh Shields (Arredondo had a harmless 7th). He promptly gives up a leadoff opposite field homerun on the 1st pitch to Overbay. I aimed for a low and away fastball but the tractor beam got a hold of it and it sailed right down the heart of the plate. Great here we go, this smells like a God inning. Next batter just doesn't fall for any teasing. I miss by millimeters and he doesn't even flinch. He also starts fouling off like crazy, and eventually smacks a laser shot for a single. At this point I know it's God inning because laser shots and long at-bats are always a tell. Deep breath, double smacked into the gap, and I mean scorcher. 2nd and 3rd no with zero outs. Mound visit. Rolen comes up and takes it deep for a 4-2 lead. I knew it.

Needless to say, next 3 batters go down easily without a whimper or a fight.

I lose game 4-2




Next game, I'm Yanks (Burnett) going at Baltimore (Guthrie). It's eerily similar to my previous game. Both pitchers are on their game, but I stake myself to a 2-0 lead (had to work extremely hard for them). So bottom of the 7th I bring in Bruney because AJ had his stamina depleted. I'm also warming up Marte and Ramirez because I know what awaits me. I'll skip the details, but let's just say God inning happened again. Back to back doubles, a single, and two walks later and a 2-1 lead with the bases loaded and 0 outs. I had a couple mound visits in there for good measure, brought in Marte to face Markakis. Also note, that during the last couple batters I saw the same things. Sudden deep counts that included fouling off anything close and not flinching on pitches that miss by a hair. Fast forward to Markakis again, routine grounder to Jeter, I'm thinking double play, but the ball rolls through his glove, two runners score and I'm down 3-2 suddenly.

I then get out of the inning easily by getting a strikeout, a pop out and a fly out. It's amazing how suddenly the CPU becomes so human once they get what they needed.

This is seriously getting frustrating. Again, this wasn't a comeback because these types of innings happen whether they are already ahead, tied, or behind. But they always do happen to me. Even in my wins, and even if my overall boxscore and stats look super realistic and pleasing....I just always go through an inning that feels completely scripted and completely out of my control. There's always a 3-spot somewhere or that one inning that got away from me. It's so rare to see a single run scored by the CPU at all.

lol that's spot on in what I see as well.

[Artman22]

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One thing i noticed so far is that when i started to play with Phycho's sliders i noticed that the comeback was not happening that much anymore. They happen a lot more with stock sliders. I'm still testing this, but i think some of you guys should try this as well and see what happens.

[Chef Matt]

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One thing i noticed so far is that when i started to play with Phycho's sliders i noticed that the comeback was not happening that much anymore. They happen a lot more with stock sliders. I'm still testing this, but i think some of you guys should try this as well and see what happens.

What difficulty are you playing on?

[swaldo]

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What difficulty are you playing on?

Psycho has had problems as well giving up the big inning with his sliders, although he doesn't believe in comeback BS. I played one game with his sliders and it was feast or famine - my pitcher was lights out or got knocked for a 3 spot.

Just once I'd like to see the CPU hit a high chopper for an infield single, followed by a stolen base, then bunt him over to 3rd and finally bring him home on a sac fly.

Instead it's pound, pound, pound then "Ok thanks, we're done for now."

[swaldo]

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Question for Davewins or anyone playing on Legend - did you see the CPU pitch confidence swell abnormally & unfairly on the lower levels?

Also, for anyone who's played 08, are you considering going back to it? From what I understand the hitting is easier but there's no BS.

[pbz06]

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Psycho has had problems as well giving up the big inning with his sliders, although he doesn't believe in comeback BS. I played one game with his sliders and it was feast or famine - my pitcher was lights out or got knocked for a 3 spot.

Just once I'd like to see the CPU hit a high chopper for an infield single, followed by a stolen base, then bunt him over to 3rd and finally bring him home on a sac fly.

Instead it's pound, pound, pound then "Ok thanks, we're done for now."

that's exactly my problem, as evident by by rants, lol

[swaldo]

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that's exactly my problem, as evident by by rants, lol

You and I certainly got the same disk.

[davewins]

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Psycho has had problems as well giving up the big inning with his sliders, although he doesn't believe in comeback BS. I played one game with his sliders and it was feast or famine - my pitcher was lights out or got knocked for a 3 spot.

Just once I'd like to see the CPU hit a high chopper for an infield single, followed by a stolen base, then bunt him over to 3rd and finally bring him home on a sac fly.

Instead it's pound, pound, pound then "Ok thanks, we're done for now."

LOL....That's hilarious and at the same time exactly what I want to see as well!!! LOL

[davewins]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

Question for Davewins or anyone playing on Legend - did you see the CPU pitch confidence swell abnormally & unfairly on the lower levels?

Also, for anyone who's played 08, are you considering going back to it? From what I understand the hitting is easier but there's no BS.

Unfortunatley I only played on HOF twice this year. I get WAY too many hits there so I didn't take notice.

[djo201]

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To those of you who believe CU Comeback On helps stop those comebacks, what have you experienced after the patch if you've downloaded it?

I ask this because with the patch, the CPU will always score in the First inning at least three run and will always come back to win if I get the lead (all this with CPU Comeback set to ON).

[Chef Matt]

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Psycho has had problems as well giving up the big inning with his sliders, although he doesn't believe in comeback BS. I played one game with his sliders and it was feast or famine - my pitcher was lights out or got knocked for a 3 spot.

Just once I'd like to see the CPU hit a high chopper for an infield single, followed by a stolen base, then bunt him over to 3rd and finally bring him home on a sac fly.

Instead it's pound, pound, pound then "Ok thanks, we're done for now."

That's hillarious and sooo true. Thanks for the reply.

[jpup]

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I got beat by the CPU 16-10 last night. They were pounding me the whole game. It was 16-4 until I scored 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th. I also beat the CPU 10-2 last night, so it goes both ways.

[Steven547]

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I think this topic will always be in debate no matter what sports game you play. Same thing happens with EA's hockey game where the CPU can not be stopped. I just hope that the next version of this game or any other sports game basis the game off the player ratings and NOT some "hidden" attribute boost.