Three Things MVP 05 Still Does Better

[rondoman]

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I second most of this, but I'll add hitting that I thought hitting in MVP was better then anything The Show has done. When you hit a home run in MVP you knew it was gone immediately. Same if you hit a weak ground ball.

In The Show you can never tell how good you hit the ball until the animation kicks in. A homerun "feels" no different then a ground ball back to the pitcher in The Show. They just haven't been able to recreate that feel.

Ummm, I seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

THere are many homeruns in REAL LIFE that you do not know are automatically gone after it is hit. Then there are some that are hit and you know for sure it's outta here. The SHow recreates this wonderfully IMO.

[thdudeabides]

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Ummm, I seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

THere are many homeruns in REAL LIFE that you do not know are automatically gone after it is hit. Then there are some that are hit and you know for sure it's outta here. The SHow recreates this wonderfully IMO.

Sure when your sitting in you living room watching a game and a player hits the ball you don't know how well they hit the ball, but I guarantee you the player knows immediately how well he hit that pitch, thats the "feeling" MVP had, The Show just doesn't have it.

[jpup]

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Sure when your sitting in you living room watching a game and a player hits the ball you don't know how well they hit the ball, but I guarantee you the player knows immediately how well he hit that pitch, thats the "feeling" MVP had, The Show just doesn't have it.

That's your opinon and IMO it does.

[thdudeabides]

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That's your opinon and IMO it does.

Who else's opinion would it be?

[rondoman]

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Sure when your sitting in you living room watching a game and a player hits the ball you don't know how well they hit the ball, but I guarantee you the player knows immediately how well he hit that pitch, thats the "feeling" MVP had, The Show just doesn't have it.

I just disagree.

When I nail a pitch, just nail it, I know it, it feels great. I don't know what you mean that you can't feel it cuz I can whether it a screaming liner, or a dribbler that I barely got bat on. . .

[thdudeabides]

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I just disagree.

When I nail a pitch, just nail it, I know it, it feels great. I don't know what you mean that you can't feel it cuz I can whether it a screaming liner, or a dribbler that I barely got bat on. . .

As jpup so brilliantly put it, thats just my opinion.

Sometimes I'll get a pitch belt high and I'll swing thinking, ok I nailed it, and it ends up a dribbler to short. Next time, same thing and its a homerun, I honestly can't tell the difference, not all the time, mind you but a lot.

I've got about forty games in, maybe with some more games under my belt I'll feel the way you do.

[jim416]

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Man, are people playing the same game(s). This gets nowhere. Let's continue it, like jpup said, over on the 2k forums and I bet it's the same argument, with more combat.

The dev Brian Ma cleared up the error in the original post regarding the hitting. OP got that wrong, but it's still being debated. Like he said, into urban legend territory.

[choadler]

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My take on this. SCEA gives us loads of options to customize the game the way we want it. Someone complaining about guess pitch when it can be turned off seems strange and looking for gripes. Just turn it off if you don't want to use it.

I like that I don't have to use a certain control scheme for running. I use the classic controls for baserunning and have very little complaints about it. Is it as intuitive maybe not, but certainly not noteworthy in an article.

I think the fielding in MVP is better. That is a fair assessment. I have turned auto fielding on and enjoy it that way.

I enjoy the challenge of trying to read pitches and guess pitches (without the game mechanic) and love the challenge of the Show hitting system. I hope they do not change it. I don't need to see yellow, green or orange balls flying at me. If they choose to make that an option, so be it.

I found the left stick mechanic of MVP to be rather mundane. Basically, I found myself holding up and to the left or right waiting for the right pitch to hit a homerun. I like using the PCI to try to guess a zone or look for a pitch in and see the results of that...Seems more rewarding.

[NumberOneRB]

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I'd have to say I just about agree with everything he said, albeit the article came off as being a bit harsh on the Show. I would also include the fielding mechanics from MVP being MUCH better than the Show. I can't tell you how much fun my friends and I had making all the great plays in the field using the great right stick diving/jumping mechanics, and the meter throws to the plates were so smooth it was a thing of beauty.

There was just something about the hitting and ball physics in MVP that made me feel that not only was I in full control of my hits, but that no hit was EVER the same. The type of pitch, ball velocity, ball movement, ball location, and direction of the batter's swing all combined to give you the great organic results you would expect from a real game of baseball. While playing the Show (great game btw), I still sometimes get that feeling that the location of the hit is a bit predetermined regardless of the location of the pitch and how well I actually hit the ball, (some of the double play moments come to mind).

The Batter's Eye feature was actually a very underrated feature, even though it was simplistic in its implementation. I think if there was anything we learned about MVP's gameplay/physics additions, it was that although they were all relatively "simple" additions in their iteration, they came together so well and made one of the more pleasantly complex, organic displays of true baseball of any gaming generation.

[bukktown]

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One thing RBI baseball still does better.... it takes much less time to complete a game.

[thdudeabides]

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There was just something about the hitting and ball physics in MVP that made me feel that not only was I in full control of my hits, but that no hit was EVER the same. The type of pitch, ball velocity, ball movement, ball location, and direction of the batter's swing all combined to give you the great organic results you would expect from a real game of baseball. While playing the Show (great game btw), I still sometimes get that feeling that the location of the hit is a bit predetermined regardless of the location of the pitch and how well I actually hit the ball, (some of the double play moments come to mind.

This is how an intelligent person explains what I was trying to explain a couple posts back.

[SDwinder]

One thing we really need to clarify here is what version of MVP 05 are you comparing here? The XBox, the PC out of the box, or the PC modded.

I never played the XBox version but I hear it was lacking compared to the PC versions. However, the PC out of the box was pretty mediocre. But, with the mods and data files, it became a completely better game. Graphics and playability became MUCH better.

With that said pitching is much better on The Show, no doubt. Pitch control was too easy in MVP. I prefer the hitting model on The Show too. Because of my personal on the field career experience, I want as realistic experience as possible without cheats and gimmicks.

That means no Guess Pitch/location. I do that on my own already. My bonus is squaring the ball up and getting an appropriate result.

That means no Batter's Eye. Might as well have a flashing neon sign stating what the pitch is during the windup. Same thing! If game pitch physics are programmed realistically, I will be able to determine what type of pitch by the arm angle/release point, spin, and arc of pitch. Just like in real life! What a revelation.

The Show does this stuff right. And when you put Fielding on Auto, but with Manual Throw, you have a very realistic game.

I still am not comfortable with the baserunning controls on The Show, when controlling more than one runner at the same time , like I was with MVP using a Logitech Rumblepad 2 controller, . I run into too many outs, because it doesn't seem intuitive to me. This is the one part of the on the field game that bugs me.

Also, I miss the Cut feature of MVP where you could choose to make a Cut after you had already thrown the ball. This is real life and should be in The Show. I really thought they would add that in this year after not having it last year.

[NumberOneRB]

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It appears many are very critical of the Batter's Eye feature in MVP, and in many ways I can understand your issues. The one thing I think many are exaggerating a bit is the "flash" of the color around the ball as it was being pitched. We're not talking some super bright, "halofication" (I made it up, haha) of the ball here.

The ring of color around the ball was very subtle, just enough for you to be able to determine the color, and (like real life) there were pitchers in the game who were able to "hide" the ball well, thus eliminating the ability to pick up the color of the pitch.

I thought it was a pretty good, although quite basic, way of imitating a real-life batter's ability to pick up the seams of the ball on pitchers who didn't hide the ball well, thus allowing them to determine the pitch type for an added hitting advantage.

It appears that some of you got a bit off topic when beginning the debate about which game had the best pitching mechanics, but to go along with that, in my opinion, I think the Show's pitchin mechanic is the best and ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. I don't know how someone could make an argument for a pitching mechanic which isn't based on taking the pitch break into account.

[jpup]

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This thread is still open?

Again, why is there an MVP thread in The Show's forum? It makes no sense.

[thdudeabides]

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This thread is still open?

Again, why is there an MVP thread in The Show's forum? It makes no sense.

Then why continue to post in it?