Simpler days of gaming

[sdf4977]

Re: Simpler days of gaming

Anyone who puts Earl Weaver, Baseball Stars, All Star Baseball and High Heat baseball in front of The Show can't be taken seriously. I can see someone still in love with MVP, but those other games better than The Show?? Yea, right! That's just saying something to get a reaction....and I bit!!

YOu have to read what he put " With ERA in mind" so just talking about how good the game was in that time Bsaeball Stars ranks up there as one of the best, Im not saying The SHow should be that low but Baseball stars at that time was awesome....Now The Show is that awesome

[moemoe24]

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Of course I'm taking era's into account. Those games in that era weren't anywhere close to The Show in this era. MVP is the only one that is in The Shows ballpark. Those games were nice for the time, but not one of those games matches the The Show as far as realism is concerned. If that's what we are talking about, realism?? This and MVP should be 1 and 2 on any list.

[mmorg]

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Of course I'm taking era's into account. Those games in that era weren't anywhere close to The Show in this era. MVP is the only one that is in The Shows ballpark. Those games were nice for the time, but not one of those games matches the The Show as far as realism is concerned. If that's what we are talking about, realism?? This and MVP should be 1 and 2 on any list.

If you want to talk realism then High Heat baseball for the PC is unparalleled. MVP was only realistic when you installed MVPMOD that completely changed every gameplay aspect. HH was the most realistic baseball game I have ever played out of the box. No slider adjustments or player ratings were needed to make the game play better. The Show is very close to topping HH in the way they are able to transfer on the field performance to video game performance.

[bsb13]

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As far as statistical realism goes...I think High Heat is still unmatched.

[livnlegn]

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My point is, shouldn't things like realism, franchise depth, strategic options, ratings, stats, etc. evolve?

Yes, High Heat was a very nice simulation of on-field play (maybe the best graphical representation) but it was far from realistic.

Now, OOTP, well that's like holding a mirror to the baseball universe.

I think it's more a lack of ideas and innovation and less a question of work ethic.

[mmorg]

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My point is, shouldn't things like realism, franchise depth, strategic options, ratings, stats, etc. evolve?

Yes, High Heat was a very nice simulation of on-field play (maybe the best graphical representation) but it was far from realistic.

Now, OOTP, well that's like holding a mirror to the baseball universe.

I think it's more a lack of ideas and innovation and less a question of work ethic.

OOTP is great but it still has its shortcomings because of the DIPS system. I still buy it nearly every year but the stat simulation only reflects league totals, not individual players.

[livnlegn]

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OOTP is great but it still has its shortcomings because of the DIPS system. I still buy it nearly every year but the stat simulation only reflects league totals, not individual players.

I'd rather turn a blind eye to that than other things.

For me, watching a guy play through High School then attend college and be drafted into Rookie Ball, then climb through SS, A, A+, AA, AAA and to the majors and have all of his spring, regular season and postseason stats from high school to the majors as well as transaction history, award history, contract history, draft history, injury history, etc. is just filthy. Nothing compares. I don't think anything ever will either. But that's o.k. Because it exists.

[chuckm1961]

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If you want to talk realism then High Heat baseball for the PC is unparalleled.

Hmmm, is it realistic to throw guys out at first on basehits to right field?

I used to do that all the time in High Heat.

Sometimes our memories are very kind.

[livnlegn]

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Hmmm, is it realistic to throw guys out at first on basehits to right field?

I used to do that all the time in High Heat.

Sometimes our memories are very kind.

Larry Walker. Glenn Wilson. Vladi.

But, the answer is no, not if it is frequently done.

[mmorg]

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Hmmm, is it realistic to throw guys out at first on basehits to right field?

I used to do that all the time in High Heat.

Sometimes our memories are very kind.

Vlad Guerrero in his prime did this about once or twice a season in real life. It only happened in High Heat when you had a guy like Mo Vaughn one hop someone like Ichiro or Vlad. This was easily remedied by adjusting the Tune File and setting a cap to fielder throwing speeds.

[thdudeabides]

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My point is, shouldn't things like realism, franchise depth, strategic options, ratings, stats, etc. evolve?

Yes, High Heat was a very nice simulation of on-field play (maybe the best graphical representation) but it was far from realistic.

Now, OOTP, well that's like holding a mirror to the baseball universe.

I think it's more a lack of ideas and innovation and less a question of work ethic.

Were these games released annually? I think having less then 12 months in a cycle to update/renovate a game might have more to do it then lack of ideas or innovation, or work ethic.

[livnlegn]

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Were these games released annually? I think having less then 12 months in a cycle to update/renovate a game might have more to do it then lack of ideas or innovation, or work ethic.

Then we just disagree.

[HansPup]

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Growing up, I'm glad I didn't have games like we have today. I surely would have never left my room.

As far as baseball games go, I remember starting on Bases Loaded for NES, then Ken Griffey Baseball for SNES (my cousin actually edited the rosters for every team), then World Series baseball for Genesis followed by Triple Play Baseball for Genesis (I remember I hated it because it took 4 hits, if all singles, to score a run. The arm strength was ridiculous.). I put a lot of time into World Series baseball and World Series 95...more so than any up until The Show.

[jim416]

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Growing up, I'm glad I didn't have games like we have today. I surely would have never left my room.

As far as baseball games go, I remember starting on Bases Loaded for NES, then Ken Griffey Baseball for SNES (my cousin actually edited the rosters for every team), then World Series baseball for Genesis followed by Triple Play Baseball for Genesis (I remember I hated it because it took 4 hits, if all singles, to score a run. The arm strength was ridiculous.). I put a lot of time into World Series baseball and World Series 95...more so than any up until The Show.

http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:World%20Series%20Baseball%20%2795%20Genesis:1951002195;_ylc=X3oDMTB2djJlbzU1BF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawN2Z2FtZXM-

Ooooooooooooooooh, yeah.

[sdf4977]

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http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:World%20...NsawN2Z2FtZXM-

Ooooooooooooooooh, yeah.

Great game...Im going to have to dig out my Sega