Too many blown saves

[cjnoles9399]

Re: Too many blown saves

Not to sidetrack this topic, but I have a question regarding the use of the bullpen.

I have also been having trouble pitching with my relief pitchers, and I was wondering if I have been using them wrong. Usually, I will leave in a relief pitcher as long as possible. Meaning, if the first inning in is good then that pitcher will stay until he runs low on energy or a save situation presents itself (then I bring in the set-up guy and/or the closer). Should I only leave a reliever in for one inning and keep bringing in new ones every inning? What do you think whitesox?

Thanks.

The best idea is to go into every series with a clear cut plan for your bullpen in the 7-9 innings. It will be based on their workload, rest, situations, and starting pitchers. For example I have to know what days my SU/CL will be available. Another example if I'm Atlanta facing Philly I have to keep Logan and Gonzalez warm strictly for situational pitching against Howard, Utley, Ibanez, Victorino. I also have a situational righty (Acosta) that I usually use to relieve a tiring starter who has allowed a baserunner late in a tight game.

It's not uncommon for a guy to come out of the pen and pitch to one or two batters. And very rarely except in games where I have >4 lead does one of my relievers pitch 2 full innings in the NL. I've had a lot of sucess throwing 1.1/1.2 innings and making a situational change for the 3rd out of inning two.

Starting in the 8th if you have less than a 4 run lead you are managing outs, not pitchers. You have 6 outs to win the game and have to make the right situational changes. I manage this game just like my school of thought that the closer in the current form is an overrated position. I use Gonzalez in the 9th a majority of the time but the situations and outs matter more than one guy racking up saves.

Sorry that was kinda long and all over the place hope it helps or I can make it a little clearer.

[moemoe24]

Re: Too many blown saves

I play as the white sox. After blowing 5 straight saves with Jenks for no good reason, I have since simmed all my save opportunities with him and he hasn't blown a save in 25+ chances. What a coinkidink, huh?

So what is the coincidence you speak of?? That you can close out games but the CPU can?? How's that a coincidence??

[Tovarich]

Re: Too many blown saves

Does anyone know if the comeback option is Human vs. CPU only? or CPU vs. CPU too?

I simmed a season with it on, and with it off. Completely inconclusive.

Save conversion was 69.5% as opposed to 69.4%. Kinda makes me think it's a human vs. CPU only thing.

In the season where I played with if off, the converted save % was 68.7. The only difference was me playing as one team. I converted 76.8%. So in that season, the CPU vs. CPU was a little worse than the season total at 68.4%.

I was hoping to clear that up without actually playing an entire season with it on, but that doesn't clear up much yet.

A blown save can of course occur as soon as the 7th inning, so this isn't just the closers. I'd have to look that stuff up individually unless save % is in the league leaders section.

But for comparison, so far in the real baseball season, there have been 511 saves coverted and 286 blown. That would be 64.1% That's all relievers. Doing just closers vs. real closers might be a bit different, but that's too much work for me to bother with at least for the moment.

I'll have to play a full season with comeback on I guess to see how the human vs. cpu saves work with comeback on vs. off.

[moemoe24]

Re: Too many blown saves

The official rule on a save is he will get a save if he pitches effectively for 3 innings. I wonder what the deal is if he comes in in the top of the 6th with the score 5-4 and pitches the 6th,7th,8th and 9th without giving up a run?? Would this also be a save??

[dave_sz]

Re: Too many blown saves

So what is the coincidence you speak of?? That you can close out games but the CPU can?? How's that a coincidence??

Comeback code talk isn't allowed on these forums. I'll get banned just for mentioning it...

[Tovarich]

Re: Too many blown saves

You can get a save in 1/3 of an inning, or in theory, you can get an 8 1/3 inning save too.

Good trivia question...longest save in history is 7 innings by Joaquin Benoit. It actually doesnt matter what the score is, pitching the 7th, 8th and 9th is always a save. 2 years ago, the Rangers beat the Orioles? 30-3. Someone got a save for pitching 3 innings.

[fistofrage]

Re: Too many blown saves

The official rule on a save is he will get a save if he pitches effectively for 3 innings. I wonder what the deal is if he comes in in the top of the 6th with the score 5-4 and pitches the 6th,7th,8th and 9th without giving up a run?? Would this also be a save??

Of course. If at any time the pitcher who closes out the game in a save situation and gets the outs, he gets the save.

So lets say the score is 2-1 in the top of the 8th, your reliever gets them out 1-2-3. You score 5 in the bottom of the 8th and leave that reliever in, he should be awarded the save if he closes out that game.

[chubs5]

Re: Too many blown saves

this game is filled with ridiculousness. i blow saves about 75% of the time. I never get more than a run or two an inning because i inevitably ground into a DP. Cant get more than 6-7 hits a game. played 3 straight against cards and had 2-0 leads into the 8th then lost 5-2, 6-2, 8-2 gaygaygay this game is the worst $60 ive spent in along time i feel your frustration man

[DevilsEve666]

Re: Too many blown saves

this game is filled with ridiculousness. i blow saves about 75% of the time. I never get more than a run or two an inning because i inevitably ground into a DP. Cant get more than 6-7 hits a game. played 3 straight against cards and had 2-0 leads into the 8th then lost 5-2, 6-2, 8-2 gaygaygay this game is the worst $60 ive spent in along time i feel your frustration man

Yeah i feel you...what's most frustrating is how good the starters pitch i usually only allow 2-3 runs through 7 innings, then when i go to the bullpen it's like all the sudden they learned to hit!!
IT's driving me nuts...most of my bullpen's era is higher than all my starters...and i have comeback code off, but why is it they only start hitting after the 7th inning??

[countryboy]

Re: Too many blown saves

this game is filled with ridiculousness. i blow saves about 75% of the time. I never get more than a run or two an inning because i inevitably ground into a DP. Cant get more than 6-7 hits a game. played 3 straight against cards and had 2-0 leads into the 8th then lost 5-2, 6-2, 8-2 gaygaygay this game is the worst $60 ive spent in along time i feel your frustration man

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many blown saves

this game is filled with ridiculousness. i blow saves about 75% of the time. I never get more than a run or two an inning because i inevitably ground into a DP. Cant get more than 6-7 hits a game. played 3 straight against cards and had 2-0 leads into the 8th then lost 5-2, 6-2, 8-2 gaygaygay this game is the worst $60 ive spent in along time i feel your frustration man

Really, I don't know how old you are, but I haven't acted like that since I was like 6. You really need to grow up...

[ckarlic]

Re: Too many blown saves

this game is filled with ridiculousness. i blow saves about 75% of the time. I never get more than a run or two an inning because i inevitably ground into a DP. Cant get more than 6-7 hits a game. played 3 straight against cards and had 2-0 leads into the 8th then lost 5-2, 6-2, 8-2 gaygaygay this game is the worst $60 ive spent in along time i feel your frustration man

Just play the game out..It is pretty realistic to me. I have my fair share of ups and downs but that is what happens in real life.