Video of pinpoint accurate meter pitching with Carlos Marmol

[brewersfan84]

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Thanks for sharing this with us. However, I dont see what your complaining about? I would love to be able hit the spots like that.

[jeremym480]

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I think you should worry more about your taste in music rather than meter pitching *GASP* ACTUALLY WORKING!

I thought the song was pretty good actually. Although, I couldn't play with that music..... I would be swinging at everything.

[disposeablehero]

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It works exactly as intended, does not go exactly where you want even when hitting the metre. Isn't it obvious the more accurate you are with the metre the closer you are to your target? Its the release point. If you masterd it good for you, many have not. When I play often when I hit the release poijt dead on, at times the ball still goes a way off, i think game situation and confidence plays into this as well.

Dont see an issue at all.

[DarthRambo]

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If you put your computer cursor the the spot where you aimed, you will see the pitch NEVER hit the exact spot. Sure it was close most of the time, but why SHOULDN'T it be? Who cares if Marmol is very wild. The only thing that should make him different in the game is that his meter should move faster. But if you hit the perfect line, it should be an accurate pitch, otherwise, what is the point of ever pitching with Marmol if you can never succeed with him?

I agree with this, the meter works exactly like it's supposed to. HOWEVER, it's far too easy for some of us to hit the mark everytime, which causes the pitcher to be unrealistically on target, or close to it with every pitch!

The pitching meter SHOULD yield realistic pitching results, I should be able to walk people. A well placed fastball is the best pitch in baseball, and you can do that in this game whenever you like to. There is just no excuse for that in a baseball SIMULATOR.

Carlos Marmol couldn't throw his fastball where he wanted to if his life depended on it. I saw this stat in one of the in-game stats that Marmol hit the 3rd most batters last season. He is the only RELIEVER on that list, he has very very little control.

I think at the present time, we deserve a pitching interface that realistically simulates pitching that ISN'T basically the pitching system from High Heat.

EXACTLY, the meter does not emmulate real life at all if you're good at hitting the yellow line every time. Classic is just the way to go if you want realistic results and better gameplay imo. Hopefully, like you, next year they have a better interface than the meter.

I was playing on Legend, check the video. I shouldn't be able to pitch like Greg Maddux with Carlos Marmol. It's not hard to hit the sweet spot on the meter so the devs should have coded the meter to be more stat-based because it's too much based off user skill.

I really want the devs to create a new pitching interface for next year. The meter has been around since MVP 2003 I think, and classic is just like High Heat's pitching interface and games before that may have used it as well. I want a system that has a good balance of user skill and pitcher ratings.

This! Agree with you 100% about pitching as a whole in this game, and what you're describing for something in the future would be perfect!

[mer1in20]

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That music is classic!

[PsychoBulk]

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I pitch from the outfield view as well, theres no wonder its easier to hit the line every time from the catcher view as the meter itself is much bigger on the screen.

As said in the other thread (why you needed to start a new thread im unsure, look at me look at me ) the meter does exactly whats its supposed to, as seen in your video.

99% of people cannot hit the line all the time, i can the majority of the time but even then when i miss the pitch does not go onto another outside corner all the time as you claim, ill throw wild pitches, beanballs, meatballs, some that paint corners unintentionally, pretty much everything.

You feel the meter is "broken" because of how you use it, you need to understand that very few people see what you see and agree, but thats fine, its all opinions.

[FunkDockta27]

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If you put your computer cursor the the spot where you aimed, you will see the pitch NEVER hit the exact spot. Sure it was close most of the time, but why SHOULDN'T it be? Who cares if Marmol is very wild. The only thing that should make him different in the game is that his meter should move faster. But if you hit the perfect line, it should be an accurate pitch, otherwise, what is the point of ever pitching with Marmol if you can never succeed with him?

Thats a Biiiingo!

If you can hit the sweet spot everytime, thats more of a tell tale sign how good you as a pitcher are. I definitely don't hit it everytime...so if like JoeCool said, if they made Marmol to pitch as wildly as you claim in RL no matter what you hit on your controller, what would be the point of ever using him? Id rather get cut a little slack for being really good with my controller, than to get frustrated cuz I do everything right, and still cant get one in my favor.

[mgoblue678]

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While as others have already stated try pitching from the outfield view and turn the ball marker to fade as well. If the meter is still too easy to pinpoint the ball with guys like Marmol after those two changes than you might have to switch to classic.

[baseball66]

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Gee after watching that video i can see how some are playing on legend, lol. Classic is another story.

[CubsHOF]

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Intersting stuff, but to be honest Im more of a rock kinda guy, Tessie has to be my favorite baseball song

Oh come on, you're a Cubs fan not a Sox fan. Go Cubs Go has to be your favorite song lol. I'm pretty sure there is some kind of Cubs law about it.

[phant030]

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Play with the pitch marker off. Your using visual guides to help, obviously, they help too much b/c ur good on the meter....remove the aid.

[Chad Rogers]

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Ok, I don't quite understand how classic works. Do you just aim and push the button or is there a technique to how long you hold the button down? I am on the fence as I don't walk many at all either(Pitcher view, default allstar, with fade).

[swaldo]

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Props for posting a video, I was curious about this and took a good close look at every pitch in your video that was not put in play. A baseball is 3 inches wide so I estimated miss distance by judging how many balls could fit between the actual location of the ball and your intended target. Note I did this quickly without a ruler so they are rough estimates.

First thing shown below is pitch strength (with max power red on the meter being High.) Next is how well you hit the release point on the meter and finally the distance in inches from your intended target.

1. Medium / Perfect / Perfect Location
2. Medium / Perfect / 3 inches
3. Medium / Slighty Late / 12 inches
4. Medium / Slightly Late / 3 inches
5. Medium / Slightly Early / 6 inches
6. Medium Low / Perfect / 3 inches
7. Medium / Late / 6 inches
8. Medium / Perfect / 6 inches
9. Medium High / Slightly Late/ 6 inches
10. Medium / Slightly Late / 15 inches
11. Medium / Slightly Early / 9 inches
12. Medium / Slightly Early / 12 inches
13. Medium / Slightly Late / 3 inches

There are a couple problems I see. First, as others have mentioned you hit the meter dead on the release spot nearly every time. Even when I noted "Slightly Early" or "Slightly Late" it was BARELY missed. I don't think everyone is as good as you on the meter. You may need to lower your pitchers control attributes or control slider to compensate for your skill. I'm sure SCEA did some form of testing to see how much the average person misses on the meter and compensated accordingly.

Second, I noticed all of your pitches were basically medium strength. When you throw fastballs with max power in the red you are going to lose control. In this test it may have been better to show a range of low power, medium and high.

Finally, in the book "Sixty Feet Six Inches" Reggie Jackson states the following:

"I'd go to the plate expecting the pitcher to throw the ball within four to six inches of where he wants to. Six inches is a pretty good miss. A good control pitcher should be able to put it within a four inch space most of the time - or even closer if you throw like Jamie Moyer, with his fastball in the 80's and mid 70's changeup."

And Bob Gibson stated in the same book...

"The average pitcher is going to put the ball where he wants it maybe 50 percent of the time. When I say where he wants it, I'm talking about close. Three inches. The width of the ball. That's pretty close."

Now we all know Marmol is not your average control pitcher. However, in your video he missed by 6 inches or more eight times. Three of them were pretty wild, missing by at least 12 inches.

I don't know if this is a huge problem, because you didn't use any high power pitches, along with the fact not every user is going to hit the release as well as you can.

[Phoenixmgs]

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I pitch from the outfield view as well, theres no wonder its easier to hit the line every time from the catcher view as the meter itself is much bigger on the screen.

As said in the other thread (why you needed to start a new thread im unsure, look at me look at me ) the meter does exactly whats its supposed to, as seen in your video.

I just don't like pitching from the outfield cam, I'm sure it's a bit harder. However, I also think it's just something I would get used to over time and in the long run, I'll be back to pitching as good as I usually do. I made the topic because just about no one believed my claims in the other topic and to hopefully get SCEA to re-tune the meter or create a new pitching interface for next year.

Play with the pitch marker off. Your using visual guides to help, obviously, they help too much b/c ur good on the meter....remove the aid.

I play with the ball marker on because (1) I SHOULD be able to play with it on; it's basically equal to real life where a pitcher knows exactly where he wants to throw the pitch whether a catcher sets his mitt there as a marker for the pitcher or not, and (2) you will learn to exactly where to point the left stick for that pitch on the corner with enough practice, I did that in 06, and it just doesn't change how well you can pitch in the long run.

Props for posting a video, I was curious about this and took a good close look at every pitch in your video that was not put in play. A baseball is 3 inches wide so I estimated miss distance by judging how many balls could fit between the actual location of the ball and your intended target. Note I did this quickly without a ruler so they are rough estimates.

First thing shown below is pitch strength (with max power red on the meter being High.) Next is how well you hit the release point on the meter and finally the distance in inches from your intended target.

1. Medium / Perfect / Perfect Location
2. Medium / Perfect / 3 inches
3. Medium / Slighty Late / 12 inches
4. Medium / Slightly Late / 3 inches
5. Medium / Slightly Early / 6 inches
6. Medium Low / Perfect / 3 inches
7. Medium / Late / 6 inches
8. Medium / Perfect / 6 inches
9. Medium High / Slightly Late/ 6 inches
10. Medium / Slightly Late / 15 inches
11. Medium / Slightly Early / 9 inches
12. Medium / Slightly Early / 12 inches
13. Medium / Slightly Late / 3 inches

There are a couple problems I see. First, as others have mentioned you hit the meter dead on the release spot nearly every time. Even when I noted "Slightly Early" or "Slightly Late" it was BARELY missed. I don't think everyone is as good as you on the meter. You may need to lower your pitchers control attributes or control slider to compensate for your skill. I'm sure SCEA did some form of testing to see how much the average person misses on the meter and compensated accordingly.

Second, I noticed all of your pitches were basically medium strength. When you throw fastballs with max power in the red you are going to lose control. In this test it may have been better to show a range of low power, medium and high.

Now we all know Marmol is not your average control pitcher. However, in your video he missed by 6 inches or more eight times. Three of them were pretty wild, missing by at least 12 inches.

I don't know if this is a huge problem, because you didn't use any high power pitches, along with the fact not every user is going to hit the release as well as you can.

I don't really think I'm THAT great at the meter. Everyone complained how easy the MVP meter was, and in my opinion, this game's meter is about the same difficulty; it was much easier to spot breaking balls in MVP though. How would lowering my pitchers' control attributes help, Marmol probably has some of the lowest attributes in the game and it's still much too easy.

I feel that where I set velocity is how a pitcher throws his normal pitch as the speed of the fastball at that point seems to represent the pitcher's average fastball speed in real life. I use more velocity when I'm going for the K, reaching back for some extra velocity.

Nice analysis on the pitching locations, but I should not be able to throw accurately to the corners of the plate with a pitcher with no control. Marmol hit within 3 inches quite a few times as you noted, he should be able to do that like once an outing at best. I did throw some full velocity pitches but they did all get put into play, but they were thrown pretty accurate if you check the video.

And, a lot of times when Marmol did miss, he missed on the corner. At the 2:02 point that I marked, and one other time I remember aiming high and out, and he threw it low and out. He only missed like once over the plate, that is what I find most troubling. The misses don't at all seem realistic to me.

[swaldo]

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I don't really think I'm THAT great at the meter. Everyone complained how easy the MVP meter was, and in my opinion, this game's meter is about the same difficulty; it was much easier to spot breaking balls in MVP though. How would lowering my pitchers' control attributes help, Marmol probably has some of the lowest attributes in the game and it's still much too easy.

I feel that where I set velocity is how a pitcher throws his normal pitch as the speed of the fastball at that point seems to represent the pitcher's average fastball speed in real life. I use more velocity when I'm going for the K, reaching back for some extra velocity.

Nice analysis on the pitching locations, but I should not be able to throw accurately to the corners of the plate with a pitcher with no control. Marmol hit within 3 inches quite a few times as you noted, he should be able to do that like once an outing at best. I did throw some full velocity pitches but they did all get put into play, but they were thrown pretty accurate if you check the video.

And, a lot of times when Marmol did miss, he missed on the corner. At the 2:02 point that I marked, and one other time I remember aiming high and out, and he threw it low and out. He only missed like once over the plate, that is what I find most troubling. The misses don't at all seem realistic to me.

In this game Marmol ranks in the bottom 20% on fastball control. If you feel he has "no control" perhaps you should put him in the bottom 5%. To do this change his attribute to 37-42, wherever you want. If you want him in the bottom 1% change it to 36 or less.

I'll admit I'm not all that familiar with Marmol, I mainly follow American League/Angel games. What does this guy do, just rear back and throw? If that's the case how can the game simulate this because it requires the user to aim?

But regarding the meter everyone is using a different TV and all have input lag and various settings. When I played the Best Buy demo the TV was horrendous, I threw late on every pitch and got creamed with a good pitcher. I don't even think they had the gaming option enabled in the TV settings. When I got the game on my TV is was back to normal and I am pitching fine.

In regards to velocity, there are some here that always use max power with their closers (or any relief pitcher who is only going to be in one inning.) If they get behind in the count that's when they reduce velocity, but they want max effectiveness with each pitch - and that's how most closers think too. That would make for an interesting discussion - is the minimum and medium power mainly for starters to preserve energy? Personally, even with closers I mix up the speed because I don't want the CPU to catch on to a trend.