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  • bfindeisen
    Pro
    • Mar 2008
    • 793

    #1

    Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

    As a premise, let me just say that I absolutely love this game. My favorite baseball video game of all-time. While there may be many things to criticize, that is more because this game does so many things right that it is hard to understand how some of it's shortcomings made it through to the final product.

    With that being said, I want to state that I am officially giving up on using the Manual/Assisted Fielding system in the game, and switching over to Auto-Fielding full-time. I understand that no one cares what decision I have made in order to better enjoy this game, but I was hoping to see if other have the same concerns about this as I do, and to see if I can spark some discussion on the issue.

    My issue is this: I play for realism. I try to make the game play and look as if I were watching the game on TV. I use Wide View for hitting, and Broadcast view for everything else, with R-T w/ Replays with all zones, etc. turned off. It is fantastic. However, there are a couple issues with fielding. Far too often the CPU hits a dribbler down the 3rd or 1st baseline that goes under the fielder's glove for a dubious hit. This also happens occasionally in the holes between 3rd and short, 2nd and 1st. It is so unbelievably frustrating, mostly because it happens so often. I know others experience this, as I have seen many threads stating so. Way too often the fielder goes into the stupid animation where the ball goes right under/through the fielder's glove/legs. It happens an average of 3-4 times a game, no exaggeration. To combat this, I tried manually positioning the fielders, but again this is cumbersome and not always effective. I also want to state that it has nothing to do with the angle I take to the ball. I played a fair bit of competitive baseball in my life, and fully understand how to properly approach a ground ball, whether in real life or a video game. Another problem with fielding (mainly due to fielding with Broadcast View...) is that it is hard to react to hard hit balls correctly because of the short window of reaction time and also because you don't always know which fielder you will be controlling.

    All in all, I have found that by switching to Auto-Fielding, the game plays so much better. The fielders move and behave realistically (for the most part), and the CPU makes some incredibly good-looking plays that I otherwise would not have been able to do manually. As an added bonus, I don't have to look at those arcade-style icons under the selected fielder. I am currently enjoying this form of fielding far better, and am not getting so frustrated by all the weak hits.

    Does anyone else find this (using Auto Fielding) to be helpful, better, or disappointing? ...as oppose to Manual/Assisted?
    Last edited by bfindeisen; 04-21-2010, 12:09 PM.
  • deucepoppi17
    MVP
    • Apr 2006
    • 991

    #2
    Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

    I am actually trying out AUTO fielding tonite just out of certain frustration with some animations. I swear the players do it just to make sure the CPU scores once in a while. I could easily throw out some more runners at home if it wasn't for the OF slowing down and rounding the ball as I charge it.

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    • TomServo09
      Banned
      • Aug 2009
      • 73

      #3
      Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

      It happens in RTTS too which is pretty disappointing. I've gone from playing every fielding opportunity to only some. And I may just change to none. In RTTS the CPU bunts for a base hit WAY too much and it is successful WAY to much. In one game 5 CPU players in a row bunted for a base hit and were successful.

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      • bfindeisen
        Pro
        • Mar 2008
        • 793

        #4
        Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

        Originally posted by TomServo09
        It happens in RTTS too which is pretty disappointing. I've gone from playing every fielding opportunity to only some. And I may just change to none. In RTTS the CPU bunts for a base hit WAY too much and it is successful WAY to much. In one game 5 CPU players in a row bunted for a base hit and were successful.
        Wow. That issue is still in the game?!? I remember complaining about this last year and starting a thread specifically dedicated to that. That is really disappointing to hear...

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        • RedsManRick
          Rookie
          • Apr 2008
          • 38

          #5
          Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

          I've had the same issue. The ball going right under the glove thing is nearly an epidemic. I think I have at least one a game with Scott Rolen. And what makes it worse is that I've tried to combat it by diving, by then the guy dives right over/past the ball. It's been quite frustrating.

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          • Dabeeds
            Banned
            • Feb 2005
            • 326

            #6
            Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

            Fielding has been the weakest part of the show for years now, but i can't sit there and watch the computer field for me and just pitch & hit only.

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            • bfindeisen
              Pro
              • Mar 2008
              • 793

              #7
              Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

              Originally posted by Dabeeds
              Fielding has been the weakest part of the show for years now, but i can't sit there and watch the computer play d for me and just pitch & hit only.
              Dabeeds,

              That is exactly what I thought initially, too, but you still get to make all the throws and decision-making, so it really isn't too bad IMO.

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              • Dabeeds
                Banned
                • Feb 2005
                • 326

                #8
                Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

                Originally posted by bfindeisen
                Dabeeds,

                That is exactly what I thought initially, too, but you still get to make all the throws and decision-making, so it really isn't too bad IMO.
                I hear ya.

                I said it before and i'll say it again...

                SCEA , please give us THE OPTION to play with a TRUE manual fielding system in the future.

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                • ParisB
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 1699

                  #9
                  Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

                  Yea i noticed that issue in the first game I played this year. I have reduced it a lot by raising the Fielder Reaction slider to 8 though.

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                  • NiteLordz
                    Rookie
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 471

                    #10
                    Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

                    I may have to give auto fielding a shot as well. i just played my third game in a row where playing balls off the wall has cost me. one it actually cost me an inside the park homerun because cameron misplayed a ball off the wall, and it richocheted further then i expected and after that it was just run the ball down. However, teh computer knows perfectly well where the ball will bounce and most of the time it will play balls off the green monster, without it even bouncing on the ground first, thus holding most of the wall hits to singles. i know that most are singles, but to be played perfectly everytime, that is just annoying.

                    i wish they would put in a training mode, so you could take balls off the wall, or randomize how the cpu plays outfield. would be a great addition.

                    back on topic though, i will have to give auto fielding a shot, as i like to make the decisions in the field, but like everyone in this thread, am seeing way to many fielding animations that just don't show up on the cpu side.

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                    • ParisB
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1699

                      #11
                      Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

                      Originally posted by NiteLordz
                      I may have to give auto fielding a shot as well. i just played my third game in a row where playing balls off the wall has cost me. one it actually cost me an inside the park homerun because cameron misplayed a ball off the wall, and it richocheted further then i expected and after that it was just run the ball down. However, teh computer knows perfectly well where the ball will bounce and most of the time it will play balls off the green monster, without it even bouncing on the ground first, thus holding most of the wall hits to singles. i know that most are singles, but to be played perfectly everytime, that is just annoying.

                      i wish they would put in a training mode, so you could take balls off the wall, or randomize how the cpu plays outfield. would be a great addition.

                      back on topic though, i will have to give auto fielding a shot, as i like to make the decisions in the field, but like everyone in this thread, am seeing way to many fielding animations that just don't show up on the cpu side.
                      Yea that's annoying. I don't mind if I misplay the ball, but it's so ridiculous how the CPU starts running straight to the spot where it will bounce. Sometimes I hit a high arcing shot and I know it's not going to be a homerun because the CPU takes the most ridiculous angle and i'm thinking "where the heck is he going?" but then I realize how cheese it is as the ball ricochets perfectly right to him, like 40 feet away from where it hits the wall, lol

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                      • bfindeisen
                        Pro
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 793

                        #12
                        Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

                        Originally posted by ParisB
                        Yea that's annoying. I don't mind if I misplay the ball, but it's so ridiculous how the CPU starts running straight to the spot where it will bounce. Sometimes I hit a high arcing shot and I know it's not going to be a homerun because the CPU takes the most ridiculous angle and i'm thinking "where the heck is he going?" but then I realize how cheese it is as the ball ricochets perfectly right to him, like 40 feet away from where it hits the wall, lol
                        Agreed. That is really frustrating. The ricochets, IMO, look unrealistic as well...there is way too much richochet effect...if that makes sense...

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                        • bodhiball
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 450

                          #13
                          Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

                          I'm right with you..well said.

                          It is the best baseball game I have ever played, and now with Automatic fielding its even better. Of course the price to be paid for that is I obviously have no control of the game at that point and it can get a little boring...but it allows the fielders true ability to come through more and eliminates the many manual fielding issues.

                          2 cents on the route to the ball for infield plays. To say it flatly enough, there is no effect on a fielders route to the ball and whether they get it in their glove or not. Certainly if someone takes a direct route to the ball or is able to come straight in on it rather than to the side they will have a better chance at a clean play...but a major league player (really even just a good rec player) can get a glove at least on a ball sizzling to their side. Its the animation more than anything that aggravates us. Because it makes it look like it went through the glove. The player is right on it, they should at least boot it, hit it off the glove or their ankle, something. But on Auto, this is non existent.

                          The other tough one to watch on Manual is when the outfielder "sticks" to the wall to brace himself before throwing the ball back in..taking up valuable time while the runner cruises around the bases. This happens even when you arent running full speed into the wall...as long as the fielder is near the wall, he puts both arms up and braces. This is the one that finally made me swith to Auto...and now I see nice quick throws in from the outfield. Still also get the loopy slow throw to second on a double play or the guy tapping the ball in his glove a few times before throwing to second..especially true with the 1st baseman when a double play is needed and the ball is hit to him. Again, with auto, these are made clean

                          Ive tried the suggestions by people as well...pre-loading the throws and such, but have not seen that have any effect. And I am willing to chalk it up to me maybe just sucking at fielding . Ive been playing it for years, and try all the tricks, just cant seem to get it to play realistically.

                          I hope fielding gets a major overhaul soon, but for now...at least the Auto makes the game fun and realistic.

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                          • Bellsprout
                            Hard Times.
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 25652

                            #14
                            Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

                            Originally posted by bfindeisen
                            Far too often the CPU hits a dribbler down the 3rd or 1st baseline that goes under the fielder's glove for a dubious hit. This also happens occasionally in the holes between 3rd and short, 2nd and 1st. It is so unbelievably frustrating, mostly because it happens so often.
                            You think it's frustrating now, wait until that animation breaks up a perfect game in the 9th. It sucks. So much.
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                            • HustlinOwl
                              All Star
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 9713

                              #15
                              Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

                              Auto-fielding since 08 welcome to the club

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