**All Trades Discussion Thread**

[Maynard]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the trade logic is far from horrible

jon lester, aj burnett, albert pujois, david price, jose reyes, cliff lee and every other MLB superstar would disagree.

you look at the trades that happen in real baseball and they are teams that suck trying to unload good players for prospects. Or good teams with shot trying to add a quality player to help the stretch run.

this game doesnt follow that philosophy at all. you see a team leading their division trying to unload their stars for minor league position players to backup their young studs already in the majors at those positions. Or you see a team not doing so well trying to trade a young player for some aging veteran. And most trade dont happen until closer to the trade deadline unless its a couple of worthless minor leaguers. and even thats rare

And the value is never good either. you see the Rays offering Price for some scrub 3B when they already have longoria.

If anyone that plays this game can sit here and say they think the trade logic in this game isnt horrible, then i appluad you for being an excellent fanboy of this game

[Maynard]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

here is an example of what i am talking about.

the nats, who are 29-29 and 4 games back in the wild card and 3.5 back in the east are looking to trade 26 year old, B potential, Scott Olsen who happens to have the best record and 2nd best ERA on their staff.

the nats offer the brewers, Olsen and Ron Villone who is one of their best RP (age 40)....for RP Amezaga (24 yrs) who has A potential, but has a 1-6 record with a 6.50 era in AA. This guys overall is lower than Villone's and way lower than Olsens

so the nats are asking for 1 player whose overall is worse than the 2 they are offering. They are willing to give up 2 of there best pitchers for this AA guy who isnt doing anything for the brewers AA team.

yeah, that makes sense. This is 1 of about 30 trades i have seen that make no sense. i have only allowed 2 trade to go thru, but even those didnt make alot of sense. I just got tired of seeing Volsted being offered by the fish

and why have i seen 30 trades offered already and i am only at June 6th? Now is the time when teams start looking to trade. Not in april

[Maynard]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

lol.....another game done another silly trade. The same RP Amezaga the nats wanted is now being offered to the chi sox from the brewers.

brewers are offering Amezaga to white sox for gavin floyd (SP, 7-2, 2.95 era) and tony pena (RP, 1-1, 2.78 era). Both Overall are higher then Amezaga

the Chi Sox who are 1.5 games back in the Central are actually interested in this trade. If not for 30 team control this horrible trade would go thru cause the sox are interested enough to take it

[countryboy]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

If anyone that plays this game can sit here and say they think the trade logic in this game isnt horrible, then i appluad you for being an excellent fanboy of this game

well then...call me a fanboy...because the trade AI imo, isn't horrible in this game.

I've watched teams in the playoff hunt trade away prospects to fill a void and I've seen teams out of it offer up guys to get young talent. And I've seen balanced trades.

David Ortiz is moved out of Boston for a young prospect pitcher from the Mariners. Bad move? Well...BoSox are able to move Lowell to DH, Youk plays 1st, and Beltre plays 3rd. Young pitcher allows the BoSox to trade away Buckholtz to the Indians later in the year to shore up their shoddy bullpen by adding Chris Perez and a young SS I believe.

Brewers are unhappy with how Dave Bush is performing or he's unhappy with them. He is moved to the ChiSox who are willing to trade over a struggling Gavin Floyd(other players involved). Dave Bush is an All-Star for the ChiSox and Gavin Floyd has helped the Brewers turn around their season and are now within a game and a half of the divisional lead. White Sox have overtaken the Twins for the lead of the Central.

These are just two, of several, situations where trades were made that people may have thought that it wouldn't happen, but has benefitted both teams to a degree.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

jon lester, aj burnett, albert pujois, david price, jose reyes, cliff lee and every other MLB superstar would disagree.

you look at the trades that happen in real baseball and they are teams that suck trying to unload good players for prospects. Or good teams with shot trying to add a quality player to help the stretch run.

this game doesnt follow that philosophy at all. you see a team leading their division trying to unload their stars for minor league position players to backup their young studs already in the majors at those positions. Or you see a team not doing so well trying to trade a young player for some aging veteran. And most trade dont happen until closer to the trade deadline unless its a couple of worthless minor leaguers. and even thats rare

And the value is never good either. you see the Rays offering Price for some scrub 3B when they already have longoria.

If anyone that plays this game can sit here and say they think the trade logic in this game isnt horrible, then i appluad you for being an excellent fanboy of this game

Right because Cliff Lee would never be traded, let alone twice in six months.

I am not saying the trade logic is fantastic, but certainly not as horrible as it was pre-patch. I would see Mauer traded 3 or 4 times in the same season. You also listed a couple of examples, and I can see where those don't make a whole lot of sense. CB also listed some examples that turned out well for both teams. I started this thread to post all the trades happening in a non 30 team franchise to let people decide for themselves whether the trades were fair or unrealistic. It would be great if you would comment on those specifically, or add some of your own as they happen throughout the season rather than just blanketing all trades as illogical and calling anyone that disagrees with you a fanboy. I am certainly not one to praise all aspects of this game (see anything I have written on fielding), but to me the trades just don't have me ready to toss the game in the recycle bin. I can promise you that for every bad trade you have seen on this game, I can relate to you an even worse trade in real life as well as a trade most people thought was terrible at the time that worked out very well. Anything that looks too terrible to me, I just chalk it up to a move that needed to be made due to egos clashing. We have all seen that before.

[Maynard]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

lol...thanks for the posting advice.

Anything that looks too terrible to me, I just chalk it up to a move that needed to be made due to egos clashing.

i am not going to sugarcoat the trade logic for anyone. i posted 2 out of about 30 trade i have seen thru the first 2 months of my franchise that are totally ridiculous. out of 30 trade, 2 were legit and i allowed them to go thru. Thats 2 out of 30 that were good....that is a horrible ratio.

i played about 60 games so far and i see these moves every other day. Keep playing and i am sure you will stop posting those moves as you will realize they are terrible

although maybe not, cause you have played thru may 24th and have had just 3 total trade offers in your franchise? I am at June 7th and have seen 30 trades so far....maybe playing 1 team makes the cpu not trade as much

[countryboy]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

I'm in mid-September(September 10th to be exact..ok..maybe not mid-Sept) and I've seen maybe 20 trades? Haven't counted but that would definitely put it in the ballpark. And I can't think of one that I thought..."well thats just stupid" I've seen some that I scratched my head thought.."why did they do that" and then upon further examination, and further playing, it made sense/turned out to be a good move.

I could go through every trade made and understand the reasoning behind the decision.

[dragon4ever]

If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

The Rays offered Carl Crawford to the Giants for Bustery Posey and Nate Schierholtz.

[VMart41]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

depends on if i felt i could sign the colonel to an extension

[sraczk2011]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

Giants would need WAY more than that in return for Posey.

[Titus1108]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

I think its pretty fair overall. Definately want to make sure you can sign Crawford long-term next season before you do it.

If you don't mind, where are you in your season, and what's the Rays record(playoff contention?) Reason I ask cuz that would make NO SENSE if the Rays offered that to you if they are leading their divison, or less than 5 or 6 games back from the wild card. The trade logic is ******** in this game, which is why I will manually decide who gets traded come mid/late July. I'll decide which teams are buyers and sellers, going off my "salary cap" system I have for every team as well.

[puremvp1]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

I think its pretty fair overall. Definately want to make sure you can sign Crawford long-term next season before you do it.

If you don't mind, where are you in your season, and what's the Rays record(playoff contention?) Reason I ask cuz that would make NO SENSE if the Rays offered that to you if they are leading their divison, or less than 5 or 6 games back from the wild card. The trade logic is ******** in this game, which is why I will manually decide who gets traded come mid/late July. I'll decide which teams are buyers and sellers, going off my "salary cap" system I have for every team as well.

Imo, the trading system is the best it's ever been, but now they have to tweak when the cpu thinks its ok to buy or sell

[puremvp1]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

The Rays offered Carl Crawford to the Giants for Bustery Posey and Nate Schierholtz.

If im the gm of the giants, I dont think I sell a suppose to be star catcher, but that's just me

[ruserl88]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

If im the gm of the giants, I dont think I sell a suppose to be star catcher, but that's just me

imo opinion crawford is such a game changer , i definitely jump all over this trade . i know posey has big upside and good catching is a must have , but i usually settle for less at catcher & for me it's not a must have , after all i make do just fine with salty in my rangers 'chise , so ima vote def pull trigger deal

[Juiceman]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

It's a pretty fair trade. A lot of hype around Buster Posey, but Crawford playing for SF would be a huge help there if you see the team being in a playoff push this year or next. Plus, you could always put Molina behind the dish again, or Kung Fu Panda behind the dish where every fantasy baseball owner wants him anyway

Catcher is a hard spot to fill which makes Posey valuable, but Crawford does it all and is a proven player. And there's no reason to believe Posey is going to be another Mauer. He's not even touted as high as Carlos Santana, the catcher prospect for the Indians. If it were him involved instead of Posey I'd probably say the trade might not be worth it. Santana is supposed to be totally MLB ready in terms of hitting but in the minors just to shore up his game-calling. Posey is not spoken of that way at this point. My point is a bit too much hype around him even considering he's likely to be successful in the majors.