**All Trades Discussion Thread**

[cardsleadtheway]

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The speedy CF's are much easier to come by, as they are the prototypical CF. I had Coco Crisp and still have Rajai Davis for the rest of the year. Both those guys can cover amazing ground, but also lack in power. What I want is to have my prospect turn into one of the aforementioned elite guys. I mean who is going to take their place when they are gone if I don't train mine to?

Aaron Hicks has moved around a lot in my franchise. I think he is currently starting for the Royals at the moment. Denard Spahn always gave me trouble the first season. I think he got traded, probably to an NL team since I can't remember him giving me trouble this season.

[pistolpete]

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One of my goals is to hit 20 HRs in a season with 2 different players. Cabrera already had 24, but 66 games in and my next guys are Damon and Inge with 9. If I trade for someone who is already close to 20 will I be credited once they get 20 for this goal?

[CubFan23]

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Pulled off 2 trades for my Cubbies, Tried to do the real life Blake Dewitt/Theriot & Lilly trade but no go, so I traded Theriot and a "B" 2B prospect to the Royals for Betancourt(ss) & Getz(2b), then I traded Getz to the Dodgers straight up for DeWitt. I liked Getz for his speed but DeWitt has a little more pop in his bat and is only 24.

So when I get Starlin Castro back from his injury(hopefully i'm still in the race) I should have a good young tandem up the middle. I am still looking for a starter as all 5 of mine are around .500, no one is really taking over.

[cardsleadtheway]

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One of my goals is to hit 20 HRs in a season with 2 different players. Cabrera already had 24, but 66 games in and my next guys are Damon and Inge with 9. If I trade for someone who is already close to 20 will I be credited once they get 20 for this goal?

Yes it will count. I had the same goal and had to pick up Pena and Quentin to reach that goal. I certainly didn't hit 20 homers each after I picked them up.

[pistolpete]

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Yes it will count. I had the same goal and had to pick up Pena and Quentin to reach that goal. I certainly didn't hit 20 homers each after I picked them up.

Well I lost Austin Jackson for 1-2 months, so my OF will be Damon/Boesch Raburn and Mags. Boesch is not the hitter on the game he is in real life. Jackson was playing well, so I'll need to replace his offense somehow. I may look around for some 25+ HR guy and also make that goal.

[cardsleadtheway]

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I went ahead and picked up Giambi off waivers and let him start in two games. So far he is 0-8 with 3 K's, but he did have one near miss home run that was spectacularly caught at the wall. I let him play the second game at second base since I was playing the Royals and they are just terrible this season. He had two errors lol. Right now I am pretending his timing is just off, but with 0 home runs and 0 RBI's, his hopes of winning the triple crown are a little low. I plan on letting him ride the pine for the most part, but he may get to start a few games at first as the season starts to wind down so that I can keep Pena healthy. I can't have my best guy go down right before the playoffs. Pena has 33 homers right now, so perhaps when he hits 40 I will rest him or DH him the rest of the season (I have yet to hit 40 with anyone in this series so far).

[VMart41]

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I went ahead and picked up Giambi off waivers and let him start in two games. So far he is 0-8 with 3 K's, but he did have one near miss home run that was spectacularly caught at the wall. I let him play the second game at second base since I was playing the Royals and they are just terrible this season. He had two errors lol. Right now I am pretending his timing is just off, but with 0 home runs and 0 RBI's, his hopes of winning the triple crown are a little low. I plan on letting him ride the pine for the most part, but he may get to start a few games at first as the season starts to wind down so that I can keep Pena healthy. I can't have my best guy go down right before the playoffs. Pena has 33 homers right now, so perhaps when he hits 40 I will rest him or DH him the rest of the season (I have yet to hit 40 with anyone in this series so far).

yes the timing part sounds somewhat realistic and as a bench player he is just pressing inhis return to oakland. I havnt hit 40 with anybody ever yet was 2 shy in my first season with Sizemore but Adrian will get there this year i would imagine 24 homers and im not out of june yet

[SergioRodriguez13]

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In my franchise(30 team control), I'm controlling every other teams trades for more realistic trades and I've done a number of them so far, I'll list a couple:

Red Sox acquire: Ty Wigginton, Mike Gonzalez
Orioles: Jed Lowrie, Ryan Kalish, Junichi Tazawa
Youkilis is out for a couple months, and I had previously traded Lowell to Minnesota in Spring. Wigginton is having a GREAT year, Gonzalez gives the Sox much more depth in the pen.

Rockies: Brian Roberts, Kevin Millwood
Orioles: Eric Young Jr, Jason Hammel, Casey Weathers
Clint Barmes was hitting .170 for the Rocks, and I figured it'd be fair to let Roberts play for a contender, while Millwood has a 5+ ERA so he was included. Hammel has a 9 ERA so he is sort of a high end gamble for the Orioles as they re-tool.

Giants: Garrett Jones
Pirates: Emmanuel Burriss, Nate Schierholtz, pitcher i forgot but he's a C potential
Jones is having a great year, Burriss and Schier give the Pirates two B potentialed players who have already been in the bigs and could grow.

Twins: Roy Oswalt
Astros: Kevin Slowey, Kyle Gibson, Ben Revere
Slowey has a 10 ERA but has solid potential, Gibson is the Twins top prospect, and Revere has a B potential, so I felt this was a fair swap, considering what the Stros got for Oswalt in real life.

[cardsleadtheway]

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In my franchise(30 team control), I'm controlling every other teams trades for more realistic trades and I've done a number of them so far, I'll list a couple:

Red Sox acquire: Ty Wigginton, Mike Gonzalez
Orioles: Jed Lowrie, Ryan Kalish, Junichi Tazawa
Youkilis is out for a couple months, and I had previously traded Lowell to Minnesota in Spring. Wigginton is having a GREAT year, Gonzalez gives the Sox much more depth in the pen.

Rockies: Brian Roberts, Kevin Millwood
Orioles: Eric Young Jr, Jason Hammel, Casey Weathers
Clint Barmes was hitting .170 for the Rocks, and I figured it'd be fair to let Roberts play for a contender, while Millwood has a 5+ ERA so he was included. Hammel has a 9 ERA so he is sort of a high end gamble for the Orioles as they re-tool.

Giants: Garrett Jones
Pirates: Emmanuel Burriss, Nate Schierholtz, pitcher i forgot but he's a C potential
Jones is having a great year, Burriss and Schier give the Pirates two B potentialed players who have already been in the bigs and could grow.

Twins: Roy Oswalt
Astros: Kevin Slowey, Kyle Gibson, Ben Revere
Slowey has a 10 ERA but has solid potential, Gibson is the Twins top prospect, and Revere has a B potential, so I felt this was a fair swap, considering what the Stros got for Oswalt in real life.

In my opinion, every one of these trades is worse than anything I have seen the CPU do so far. I don't really see much benefit for the selling teams, as the buyers didn't really have to give up much. It is your franchise, so I am not knocking it. I can certainly see some strategy to the trades, especially those looking to dump salary, but I think the CPU in my franchise has done a better job. Too me, that says that the trade logic in this game is not all that bad if they have come up with trades that are at least as good as what a human player was able to come up with.

[SergioRodriguez13]

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I'm not a professional general manager by any means, so I definately see where you come from. I just try to like match up value, like for sellers I prioritize potentials, like for A potential players or A potential performance, I try to get the seller A's. So to me it's like, a B player should net a B prospect, or a combination of things, etc.
Had say, the Astros trade of Oswalt been in the game,
the Astros acquired Happ(major league starter, compared to Slowey in my deal)
Gose(he's a B in the full minors, comparable to Revere)
Villar(not sure his potential but I feel in my deal the Twins are giving more value for Oswalt by also adding their top prospect)
I mainly did this because in my old franchise I saw sellers trading their top prospects for marginal talent, and I just wanted to give them to ACQUIRE prospects, not give them away when they have no chance, you know?

[moral_virus]

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I'm not a professional general manager by any means, so I definately see where you come from. I just try to like match up value, like for sellers I prioritize potentials, like for A potential players or A potential performance, I try to get the seller A's. So to me it's like, a B player should net a B prospect, or a combination of things, etc.
Had say, the Astros trade of Oswalt been in the game,
the Astros acquired Happ(major league starter, compared to Slowey in my deal)
Gose(he's a B in the full minors, comparable to Revere)
Villar(not sure his potential but I feel in my deal the Twins are giving more value for Oswalt by also adding their top prospect)
I mainly did this because in my old franchise I saw sellers trading their top prospects for marginal talent, and I just wanted to give them to ACQUIRE prospects, not give them away when they have no chance, you know?

I'm sorry, but I think you're trying to justify some bad deals in which you traded based on in-game potentials over actual ability and figures.

The difference between what the Astros got for Oswalt in real life versus what you did in your franchise is they managed to get a top of the rotation solid pitcher in Happ while in your franchise you dumped a poor performing Slowey off in a large package filled with prospects that probably don't fit the mold of what Houston really needs.

You can see that the real life Astros win out over your trade if you simply look at Happ's numbers in the past three years versus Slowey's previous three seasons - it's night and day.

The Astros get a replacement for Lance Berkman in the power hitting Brett Wallace (spinning off Anthony Gross, of all things) - what did your Twins package offer in way of filling in their gaps and needs?

Why would Houston want another Michael Bourne type of player that can't be a top of the lineup guy because he doesn't draw enough walks to stabilize a solid OBP? Revere isn't the answer for Houston especially when you consider that Carlos Lee is still going to be starting out in left as he provides the only legitimate power the team has remaining. He's certainly not getting playing time over Hunter Pence. So the Astros basically get a fourth outfielder that waits in the wings for the day Lee walks out?

And the top prospect of the Twins is either Hicks or Ramos, and Ramos would be more expendable given he's being blocked by the face of the organization in Joe Mauer. Kyle Gibson isn't that piece to sell off considering the Twins are a team in need of relief help.

And these are just my issues with that ONE trade. Neither side looked to be a winner - Twins lose a lot of prospects and get to eat a giant contract in addition to their extension of Mauer, and the Astros get a couple of prospects they don't need and a middle-of-the-rotation kind of pitcher that doesn't really add any depth to that rotation.

Lose-lose, in my mind.

[CubFan23]

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In my franchise I just do 1 team control, the Computer traded Slowey(sp) and Aaron Hicks(cf) of the Twins to Atlanta for Jurrjens(sp) and Kris Melden(rp). So far im almost at the end of July and Jurrjens is probably the biggest name to be traded.

[cardsleadtheway]

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I have said before that there seems to be a huge discrepancy between 1 team control and 30 team control when it comes to trades. I have seen guys posting some really horrible looking trades in 30 team control, whereas I have yet to see anything terrible in my 1 team control. There have been a few head scratchers, but there have also been a couple that made the CPU look brilliant in hind site. My theory on this is that in 30 team control you get to see every trade offer. In 1 team control, there is the possibility that trades are rejected behind the scenes by the CPU, the same kind of trades one might see in 30 team control. This of course is merely conjecture on my part, but others that play 1 team control have also stated that they don't see the crazy unrealistic trades that 30 team control sees.

[SergioRodriguez13]

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I have said before that there seems to be a huge discrepancy between 1 team control and 30 team control when it comes to trades. I have seen guys posting some really horrible looking trades in 30 team control, whereas I have yet to see anything terrible in my 1 team control. There have been a few head scratchers, but there have also been a couple that made the CPU look brilliant in hind site. My theory on this is that in 30 team control you get to see every trade offer. In 1 team control, there is the possibility that trades are rejected behind the scenes by the CPU, the same kind of trades one might see in 30 team control. This of course is merely conjecture on my part, but others that play 1 team control have also stated that they don't see the crazy unrealistic trades that 30 team control sees.

I am actually a big proponent in the CPU trade logic being very good for the most part. Like, not every trade made in baseball is going to be fair market value, franchise players do get traded(Cliff Lee 3 times in a year? Yikes.).
I just liked the idea of being able to make transactions for every team because building teams and stuff is the most fun thing for me to do in the game. Even if my deals aren't the most feasible, at least I feel like I'm doing something cool and fun.

[fool]

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One thing I have noticed is that the cpu will trade for a player, then turn around and trade him again. I picked up Branyon from FA. Traded him to Boston. He was leading the league in homers and they traded him for Dunn, I believe.