Do you use the L-stick when batting?

[coreyhartsdaughter]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

In order for you to win this argument, you have to prove any one of those premises wrong. All of those premises are completely factual, which is way I said my logic is air tight. Proving that batting in this game with the left stick isn't anything like real life batting doesn't make any of my premises untrue.

I think that's what you're failing to understand. No one not using the L stick is trying to win anything. We're merely saying we can have an equal experience (through other means) independent of what you view as realism.

You're using a converse fallacy to explain your point. e.g. I use the left stick successfully, so everyone that uses the left stick must be successful (and those that don't are not.)

In the end, as I said early, it's moot. There is no true baseline for you to tie your assertions to. I'm not trying to disprove anything your posting, I'm just trying to point out that you can't disprove anything others post.

And nor can I.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

I think that's what you're failing to understand. No one not using the L stick is trying to win anything. We're merely saying we can have an equal experience (through other means) independent of what you view as realism.

Several posters have been up in arms against me because I said L stick hitting is more realistic. I'm not saying L stick users are having a BETTER experience than timing users. Both users can have an equally enjoyable experience playing the game. What I am saying is that the L stick user is having a more realistic batting experience. Realistic does not equal better. Read through all my posts here, I've never said L stick users are better or that they have a better experience. I've only said L stick hitting is more realistic. I personally don't understand why people don't use the L stick unless they have like really bad hand-eye coordination or some issue that makes using the L stick extremely difficult for them. But, that's just me, I can't have a good batting experience just using timing. I've never said others couldn't have an equally good experience as me if they only used timing.

You're using a converse fallacy to explain your point. e.g. I use the left stick successfully, so everyone that uses the left stick must be successful (and those that don't are not.)

I never said anything along those lines.

[a1boogz]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

I'm super confused. I was under the impression that on any level above Veteran, you had to use the L stick and swing in the zone the ball is located to make good contact. On All-Star I thought it was just up/down/in/out and on hall of fame you had all 9 directions, plus down the middle.

Are you saying that on All Star and H.O.F. you can hit the ball effectively without moving the Lstick to the area where the ball is pitched? I never knew that, I thought this was only the case on rookie and veteran, where things were more timing based.

Is there a definitive answer? I'm not really interested in the preference, or superior discussion, I just want to know if I am misinformed.

TL;DR You can hit effectively on H.o.F without using the Lstick!?!?!?!

[coreyhartsdaughter]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

Are you saying that on All Star and H.O.F. you can hit the ball effectively without moving the Lstick to the area where the ball is pitched? I never knew that, I thought this was only the case on rookie and veteran, where things were more timing based.

Is there a definitive answer? I'm not really interested in the preference, or superior discussion, I just want to know if I am misinformed.

TL;DR You can hit effectively on H.o.F without using the Lstick!?!?!?!

Myself and several other users have found the answer to be no. No, you will not see ample hit variety or appropriate physics on HOF or above w/o using the L Stick. You may get hits, but many of those hits will be either singles or HR's.

We've seen no immediate effect on All Star; the ample hit variety still exists. (in fact I've lead the league with both doubles and triples sans left stick)

Hope this helps.

[MLB01]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

If you're seeing a good game, good on you! But decrying others for thinking they're not getting the most out of a game, or that you're doing something better is ignorant.

Hey, I'm not bad talkin' others for anything. I really don't care how other people play the game. I just want it to be known that I saw a great increase in hit variety when I started using the left thumbstick. That's all I'm sayin' and I do enjoy playing the game more because of it.

[fool]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

Are you saying that on All Star and H.O.F. you can hit the ball effectively without moving the Lstick to the area where the ball is pitched? I never knew that, I thought this was only the case on rookie and veteran, where things were more timing based.

I led the league in average and home runs thru 50 games on All Star without using the L stick once. I've since moved on to Hall of Fame. I averaged about 13 hits a game on All Star. I am struggling to even get 1 hit per inning on Hall of Fame now. I am still feeling out the L stick. I tend to swing and miss a lot since I've got a tendency to pull down on the L stick no matter where the ball is pitched. It's a LOT harder, but I got sick of getting 4 home runs and 15 hits a game on All Star.

[Braves Fan]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

Well maybe it's the sliders I'm using but recently when I've been hitting with timing only the PCI has moved. Most of the time it stays centered but a couple of times the PCI has followed the pitch.

This argument has to end at some point, we are just going to have to agree to disagree about hit variety. I don't see how the hit variety could be any better than what I already see. I'll take your word for it but I'm happy with my game the way it is and I don't need the L Stick.

[Joey]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

I tend to pull down on the L stick as well, so I've gotten in the habit of starting with the stick on the upper part of the zone until I a)get 2 strikes on me, or b)if it's a pitcher that doesn't have a FB as one of his first 2 pitches. This way if I do pull down on the L stick I'm in still in the hitting zone. If I have 2 strikes I'm usually looking for a breaking pitch so I actually start with the L stick in a down position.

I tend to swing and miss a lot since I've got a tendency to pull down on the L stick no matter where the ball is pitched. It's a LOT harder, but I got sick of getting 4 home runs and 15 hits a game on All Star.

[cardsleadtheway]

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Wow dude, I'm in no way saying batting in this game is like real life so please stop using this argument because I'm not arguing that. I completely agree that batting in the game with the left stick is far from real life batting. However, just playing the game with pressing X is even further from real life batting than using the left stick. THAT IS MY POINT. I played real baseball, I don't actually think I'm playing real baseball when I'm playing this game.

This is my argument:

Premises:
1. Hitting in real life requires you to locate the pitch and time the pitch properly to hit the ball. You have to be successful on both ends to hit a ball, not just one.
2. Hitting with the left stick recreates the 2 aspects of real life hitting.
3. Hitting without the the stick recreates only the timing aspect of real life hitting.
Conclusion:
Therefore, hitting with the left stick is more realistic because it requires you to locate and time the pitch while just pressing X only requires you to just time the pitch.

In order for you to win this argument, you have to prove any one of those premises wrong. All of those premises are completely factual, which is way I said my logic is air tight. Proving that batting in this game with the left stick isn't anything like real life batting doesn't make any of my premises untrue.

On a realism scale this what I am saying:

(most real) Real life batting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using the left stick > using timing only (least real)

Your scale should not even exist. There is nothing on this game that can even remotely simulate real life baseball. It is like saying pressing this combination of buttons is a much more realistic way of eating and apple on the sims than the buttons you are pressing because of x,y, and z. It just doesn't make sense.

But for arguments sake, lets pretend that the yellow circle is exactly as you say it is, the best way to simulate a batter locating his pitch. There are a ton of batters, most power hitters in fact, that would never move the left stick. Think Barry Bonds. The man would swing at a pitch dead center and that was all. He never moved the left stick to locate the ball, but rather waited for the ball to come to where he wanted it. So the fact that he was able to locate his pitch and time that pitch without ever moving the left stick kind of pokes a hole in your "air tight" logic, no? If I never move the left stick, and don't swing at pitches that are not right in the middle of the PCI, and I get good timing on them, then I am accomplishing the pitch recognition and the timing aspects of the game, which according to you is what makes a batter successful.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

Your scale should not even exist. There is nothing on this game that can even remotely simulate real life baseball. It is like saying pressing this combination of buttons is a much more realistic way of eating and apple on the sims than the buttons you are pressing because of x,y, and z. It just doesn't make sense.

Eating an apple could be less real in one game than another. For example, if one game just had you press buttons to chew an apple it would less realistic than a game that had you press buttons to chew it then press other buttons for you to swallow it. Eating (solid food) requires chewing and swallowing just like batting requires locating and timing. Doing only one part of a 2 part process is less real than doing both parts even if it's nothing like real life.

But for arguments sake, lets pretend that the yellow circle is exactly as you say it is, the best way to simulate a batter locating his pitch. There are a ton of batters, most power hitters in fact, that would never move the left stick. Think Barry Bonds. The man would swing at a pitch dead center and that was all. He never moved the left stick to locate the ball, but rather waited for the ball to come to where he wanted it. So the fact that he was able to locate his pitch and time that pitch without ever moving the left stick kind of pokes a hole in your "air tight" logic, no? If I never move the left stick, and don't swing at pitches that are not right in the middle of the PCI, and I get good timing on them, then I am accomplishing the pitch recognition and the timing aspects of the game, which according to you is what makes a batter successful.

The PCI doesn't need to be the best way to simulate a batter locating a pitch, it just has to be a way even if it's the worst way to simulate it (MVP probably had the worst way of simulating this aspect, which is way I hated the MVP series). You gotta be kidding me if you actually think Barry Bonds and other power hitters just wait for a pitch dead center and just time the pitch. If that were true, they would be the easiest outs ever. But I'll go along with this. The center zone in The Show is approximately 6 inches wide and 10 inches tall (I measured myself from knee to chest and it was 30 inches). So, if Bonds always waited for a pitch within the middle zone, he would still have to locate properly within that zone because you cannot cover that area of 6 X 10 with only one type of swing. I hope you are not trying to say Bonds looked for a pitch that was 100% dead center because you can only be successful with that method in tee ball.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

Eating an apple could be less real in one game than another. For example, if one game just had you press buttons to chew an apple it would less realistic than a game that had you press buttons to chew it then press other buttons for you to swallow it. Eating (solid food) requires chewing and swallowing just like batting requires locating and timing. Doing only one part of a 2 part process is less real than doing both parts even if it's nothing like real life.


The PCI doesn't need to be the best way to simulate a batter locating a pitch, it just has to be a way even if it's the worst way to simulate it (MVP probably had the worst way of simulating this aspect, which is way I hated the MVP series). You gotta be kidding me if you actually think Barry Bonds and other power hitters just wait for a pitch dead center and just time the pitch. If that were true, they would be the easiest outs ever. But I'll go along with this. The center zone in The Show is approximately 6 inches wide and 10 inches tall (I measured myself from knee to chest and it was 30 inches). So, if Bonds always waited for a pitch within the middle zone, he would still have to locate properly within that zone because you cannot cover that area of 6 X 10 with only one type of swing. I hope you are not trying to say Bonds looked for a pitch that was 100% dead center because you can only be successful with that method in tee ball.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph of your ridiculous diatribe; therefore, I concede defeat. You are right, your argument is flawless and air tight. Using the left stick is by far the most accurate depiction of real baseball the show has to offer. I'm done.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

I couldn't get past the first paragraph of your ridiculous diatribe; therefore, I concede defeat. You are right, your argument is flawless and air tight. Using the left stick is by far the most accurate depiction of real baseball the show has to offer. I'm done.

That's obviously sarcasm. My main point has been: doing both parts of a 2-part process is more real than only doing one part of that process. It's as simple as that.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

But his point is some hitters don't do both parts, some just wait for a pitch in their zone and only swing and time it. They have the plate discipline to not go out of the zone or try to swing at pitches on the corners.

Like I said before, it's best to just agree to disagree and move on.

All hitters do both parts. If a hitter didn't locate and could only swing in his zone, he'd be an automatic strikeout with 2 strikes. If a hitter is looking in a zone (and many players do this), he still has to locate within the zone. The bat doesn't take up 1/9th of the strike zone like the PCI does. In baseball, being off by an inch with your location is the difference between a hard hit ball and a weakly hit ball. You HAVE to locate to hit a baseball unless you are playing tee ball. Even in a batting cage you have to locate since the machine doesn't throw the ball in the exact same spot.

I think I should quote the following for every post I make in here because I'm not trying to say using the stick is better than only timing, I'm only saying it's more realistic.

I'm not saying L stick users are having a BETTER experience than timing users. Both users can have an equally enjoyable experience playing the game. What I am saying is that the L stick user is having a more realistic batting experience. Realistic does not equal better. Read through all my posts here, I've never said L stick users are better or that they have a better experience. I've only said L stick hitting is more realistic.

[Braves Fan]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

How about you just agree to disagree and move on? There is a reason I deleted my last post.

[Altimus]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

Closed at OP request.