What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: Futures Game in MLB The Show 11

Alot of it seems like it is just programming logic. "If the player = x then and if player = y then"

This in theory is easy to fix but we don't know what changes as a result, and if this is even a priority.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I see what your saying, my only rebutle is this: Whats the hit and HR slider for for the pitcher rating if? That should be a deciding factor to some extent in terms of whether or not a player takes him yard or not. Like if roy halladay hay a 99 HR then I would be lead to believe he would give up maybe 4-5 HRs in the entire year for example, so THAT in essence would kind of determine a players power in terms of HR stats. But power is MUCH more than jsut HR's. Its the frozen ropes, the doubles/triples in the alleys, the sharp liners that eat up the IF'ers.

I think this is what needs to be changed in game. Power shouldn't mean that you hit a lot of HR's it should be how hard you hit ball, as a result more balls should leave yard.

Cano hits the ball on the button alot but he isn't a HR hitter (although he hit 29 this yr and 5 in ALCS).

They need to weigh the probability a player hits a HR and the probability a pitcher will give up one.

I feel players with alot of power hit too many, and players with little power hit too little.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I still disagree.
There is something that causes a player to lose something vs. LHP or RHP...sometimes it's one way ....sometimes the other(against the grain so to speak)...and that be whether a straight LHB, RHP or switch hitter.
This absolutely needs to be translated into the game and I don't see any easier way than a power split.

M.K.
Knight165

This is spot on. I bat left handed against lefties or righties. The approach to each is entirely different, however. If a righty is working away, most of the pitches will still tail in towards me, even if they start off the plate. I make (or used to in my prime anyway), good contact against righties, but with little power. Now against lefties, I tend to have a much more difficult time picking up the ball, but I can only hit with power against lefties. I can't remember ever hitting a home run against a right handed batter, but have hit a few against a left handed batter, despite the much lower batting average. It isn't like I do pushups right before facing a left handed batter so I am more pumped or anything.

What people don't seem to understand is that power isn't the same as strength. Sometimes the two go hand in hand, but not always. Ted Williams had a lot of power and was a scrawny little guy. I could probably have beaten him arm wrestling, but could never hit one out of Fenway park. Rather, power is how hard you can hit a ball, which isn't always the same no matter how you are being pitched. You don't need much strength if you can hit the sweet spot, and yet the strongest man in the world can't crap if they try to hit with the handle. Ok now I am just rambling.

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

This is spot on. I bat left handed against lefties or righties. The approach to each is entirely different, however. If a righty is working away, most of the pitches will still tail in towards me, even if they start off the plate. I make (or used to in my prime anyway), good contact against righties, but with little power. Now against lefties, I tend to have a much more difficult time picking up the ball, but I can only hit with power against lefties. I can't remember ever hitting a home run against a right handed batter, but have hit a few against a left handed batter, despite the much lower batting average. It isn't like I do pushups right before facing a left handed batter so I am more pumped or anything.

What people don't seem to understand is that power isn't the same as strength. Sometimes the two go hand in hand, but not always. Ted Williams had a lot of power and was a scrawny little guy. I could probably have beaten him arm wrestling, but could never hit one out of Fenway park. Rather, power is how hard you can hit a ball, which isn't always the same no matter how you are being pitched. You don't need much strength if you can hit the sweet spot, and yet the strongest man in the world can't crap if they try to hit with the handle. Ok now I am just rambling.

While I appreciate the opinion I think you might have missed the point I was making. I agree that power doesnt equal strength. That applies in softball in terms of distance. But with baseball power your not gonna be a weaker hitter in terms of power SOLEY because the pitcher is left or right handed. Thats absurd right down to the very core. What makes the "weaker" perception is that players naturally see the ball different when a L/R handed pitcher in on the mound. Even then, it depends on how good that pitcher is to begin with hence it comes down to the simple ratings and not the drawn out rating system that interfere with the natural flow of the game.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Futures Game in MLB The Show 11

I dont know about the rest of your but I really enjoy the Futures Game in real life and in The Show. I have a couple of ways to make it more realistic.

1. Have all of the players in the game wear their respective clubs hats on the field and not the generic USA and World hats.

2. Just because a prospect hasn't reached the Triple-A level yet doesnt mean that he doesn't have any minor league stats. They only show Triple-A stats and they show no stats for the year if the player isnt in the Triple-A. Thats easily fixable.

3. The World Team players should have the flag patch of the country they are from. This means in the Edit Player they should have a option where you put the country when it says not from US.

4. I think each team is only allowed 2 players from their farm system so if 3 players from your system are worthy to play in the game you should be able to pick which 2.

5. And the game should use common sense when it comes to picking players. I;ve seen Dallas Braden in the game 5 years into my franchise and countless time I've seen like 35+ players in the game. Lol I'm sorry they are not the future lol.

Thats just some food for thought. Thanks if you read

For the most part, I could care less about these, except 3 and to a lesser extent, 5. I don't really care about the patch, but I would love to see what country foreign born players are from. The only downside is that they would have to match up the right names. I don't want to see an "Yoshii Takahana" from Puerto Rico.

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

While I appreciate the opinion I think you might have missed the point I was making. I agree that power doesnt equal strength. That applies in softball in terms of distance. But with baseball power your not gonna be a weaker hitter in terms of power SOLEY because the pitcher is left or right handed. Thats absurd right down to the very core. What makes the "weaker" perception is that players naturally see the ball different when a L/R handed pitcher in on the mound. Even then, it depends on how good that pitcher is to begin with hence it comes down to the simple ratings and not the drawn out rating system that interfere with the natural flow of the game.

So call the Power vs. L/R ....Perception vs. L/R.
Who cares?....as long as the outcome works.
I'm starting to wonder if you are even aware of what you are arguing.
Are you saying that there is nothing a LHP or RHP vs. any given player does ....that doesn't throw off a batter, whether it be contact(avg.) or power(hr's...for the lack of a "gap power" attribute, which a lot of us have been asking for but that's another argument altogether)?...because that is absurd and there are mountains of stats(real life results) that bear out that it does. I think you'd be hard pressed to find one player that has equal HR numbers vs. LHP and RHP from one side of the plate(of course pro-rated to the same number of AB's).
To try and tie in this to vis or disc.....is making it much more complicated than necessary.


M.K.
Knight165

[SoxFan01605]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Ah, the much wished for "Gap Power" attribute. This, right behind L/R splits for pitchers is on the top of my ratings wishlist still.

I really hope that one year they take a look at expanding ratings and stat tracking. A lot of people might be nonplussed since it's not a big "feature" addition, but that would be almost as big a deal to me as franchise upgrades or create-a-team.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

While I appreciate the opinion I think you might have missed the point I was making. I agree that power doesnt equal strength. That applies in softball in terms of distance. But with baseball power your not gonna be a weaker hitter in terms of power SOLEY because the pitcher is left or right handed. Thats absurd right down to the very core. What makes the "weaker" perception is that players naturally see the ball different when a L/R handed pitcher in on the mound. Even then, it depends on how good that pitcher is to begin with hence it comes down to the simple ratings and not the drawn out rating system that interfere with the natural flow of the game.

Absurd to the core is it? So given my personal example, i.e. I hit with more power against lefties but better contact against righties, how would you create me on the game? Since you assume that power is the same no matter who you are facing, what variable would you use to account for the discrepancy? Using The Show variables with my college numbers, you could account for this with splits like L/R contact of 40/75 and a L/R power of 55/30. Some players on the show look just like this and low and behold put up similar numbers. Oh the absurdity of it all.

[countryboy]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Not to the extent to where you need to put it in the game, though. If there's like a light rain off and on, they'll play, but it doesn't happen often. They really need to spend time putting that in, as opposed to something of more importance?

given that it effects the game in terms of play and how its managed...yes.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Cards, Knight...

Yes! Very good posts.

Last night, I was looking through my team stats, and found one that sort of relates to this.

Curtis Granderson, in his career, is a .215 hitter vs. lefties, and a .287 hitter vs. righties.

In my season, on August 2nd, Granderson is just over .200 vs. lefties and .290 vs. righties.

I know this is a "power" discussion on R/L splits, but my point is:

SCEA got this right! Whatever they call it, whatever the term...

The numbers are good! The homers, the averages...Isn't this what really matters in the end?

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Cards, Knight...

Yes! Very good posts.

Last night, I was looking through my team stats, and found one that sort of relates to this.

Curtis Granderson, in his career, is a .215 hitter vs. lefties, and a .287 hitter vs. righties.

In my season, on August 2nd, Granderson is just over .200 vs. lefties and .290 vs. righties.

I know this is a "power" discussion on R/L splits, but my point is:

SCEA got this right! Whatever they call it, whatever the term...

The numbers are good! The homers, the averages...Isn't this what really matters in the end?

That is interesting. What I find is that the power rating trumps the contact rating. Players like Jack Cust hit 320 while Ichiro has yet to hit 300 in the three franchise years I have played.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Cards, don't get me wrong. I agree with you on the power rating being the driving force in this game as batting averages are concerned. My "higher power" guys numbers and splits are fine or close enough, but the "lower power" guys (Gardner, etc.) have stats that are much less realistic and more sketchy...

But by no means totally unrealistic. SCEA, overall, did a wonderful job on this.

Jack Cust may win MVP in my season. Well over .320.

Again, my opinions come from played games. I can't speak at all to ratings/splits in regards to the sim engine.

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

So call the Power vs. L/R ....Perception vs. L/R.
Who cares?....as long as the outcome works.
I'm starting to wonder if you are even aware of what you are arguing.
Are you saying that there is nothing a LHP or RHP vs. any given player does ....that doesn't throw off a batter, whether it be contact(avg.) or power(hr's...for the lack of a "gap power" attribute, which a lot of us have been asking for but that's another argument altogether)?...because that is absurd and there are mountains of stats(real life results) that bear out that it does. I think you'd be hard pressed to find one player that has equal HR numbers vs. LHP and RHP from one side of the plate(of course pro-rated to the same number of AB's).
To try and tie in this to vis or disc.....is making it much more complicated than necessary.


M.K.
Knight165

Like I said in an earlier post, I understand in terms of recreating the L/R splits for batters contact the contact L/R rating must remain. I got it, but to have a L/R power rating is no accurate...at all. Especially when power means much than just HR's alone. If your looking at just stats then I can already tell your gonna argue this point to where none of us will budge, especially since my point is that as a RHB it doesnt matter if a LHP is on the mound vs a RHP...you throw a stinkin fastball down the plate I am gonna hammer it the same. I have hit the ball just as hard from a LHP as I do from a RHP. The difference is I see the ball diffrently from a RHP than a LHP. The result is I am much more succesful at hitting against RHP than LHP soley on the fact that I have difficulty picking up rotations from a LHP and therefore dont make good contact on the ball from time to time. It doesnt mean that for some reason my power suffers from this weird disease called leftyism you guys seem to think happens, because when I do pick up the ball movement from a LHP hand, I smash it just as hard, and if it went really well, just as far as I would a RHP. The showdown between a pitcher and batter should be more like this:

Batter: Contact L/R, Power(should include all factors of power), Vision L/R, Dicipline, and clutch

Pitcher: Stamina, K, Hit, HR, pitch type/break/control, location of pitch, and clutch

Thats it, now what I miss is the 2k7 hitters eye interface where instead of the guess pitch feature, based on the ratings above, your hitting window (or circle as represented in 2k7) will be a certain size. I am not much of a cursor hitter type fo guy but I do like this a guess pitch feature and based of vision and contact rating, those would determine the size of the hitter eye.

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

It's not guys.
Prime example is in my 2000 set.
I gave Robin Ventura 45/34 contact ratings and 82/59 power ratings.
He consistently hits between .230 and .240 and around 25-30 homers.
There will be the oddball time when he jumps to above .250/.260 and monsters on 40 homers....but if anything...in the game...contact boosts power(HR's really...not the actual power)...really.

Right now in my 2000 replay nearing the end of May...he's hitting .220 with 6 homers...lo and behold!...right on target for about .220-.235 mark and 24 homers....exactly what he hit in 2000!

M.K.
Knight165

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

It's not guys.
Prime example is in my 2000 set.
I gave Robin Ventura 45/34 contact ratings and 82/59 power ratings.
He consistently hits between .230 and .240 and around 25-30 homers.
There will be the oddball time when he jumps to above .250/.260 and monsters on 40 homers....but if anything...in the game...contact boosts power(HR's really...not the actual power)...really.

Right now in my 2000 replay nearing the end of May...he's hitting .220 with 6 homers...lo and behold!...right on target for about .220-.235 mark and 24 homers....exactly what he hit in 2000!

M.K.
Knight165

I understand what your saying. This is why I said its more of a personel thing in () at that number. Some people jsut wanted to know what I was talking about in depth. To me, it would jsut seem easier to base a hitter/pitcher matchup that way instead of things that dont really make sense to me. Like for example the BB rating for pitchers to go along with the control for each pitch. To me it creates problems that I have seen time and time again with pitching. Its like the BB rating slider over rides the control and break of a pitchers pitch no matter how good he throws it. I guess I would jsut like the power slider to be ONE rating that includes gap power, HR's, and frozen ropes.