What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

[Woodweaver]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

For 2K basketball, their sig style is more than just "marketing". There isn't a dev team that does more than them when it comes to nailing a players likeness.

And lets not be foolish, these players don't take their sessions seriously. This isn't pinning all blame on SCEA, its just that these mo-cap sessions are more like PR than getting down to the nitty gritty. Get actors, get it right and over with. There are valid points being made(especially on the pitching side).

There will always be two sides to this argument...Lets us not go down this road for the 200th time.

Wow! Sounds like you were there during the motion capture sesssions.

How was it?

When Chris Clements (the lead animator @SCEA) mentioned here on the OS boards that Ortiz and Howard participated in their session, he seemed to think they took it pretty seriously. He must have been being "foolish".

[daflyboys]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Change the fielding catch circle color (looks too much like the grass), add a ball tracking line (depth perception in the outfield is tough), smooth out player momentum from a dead stop to starting a motion and allow different batting cams online (I do better with offset for some dumb reason) ..... then I'm good.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

For 2K basketball, their sig style is more than just "marketing". There isn't a dev team that does more than them when it comes to nailing a players likeness.

*SNIP*

There will always be two sides to this argument...Lets us not go down this road for the 200th time.

I mean "marketing" because there is just as much "sign style" in The Show as there is in 2K baseball. Just as many complaints (I see the bat is two inches too low on their forum as well), and just as many non sig styles. Accept The Show has over 200 generic to choose from, to get things close, which helps out a lot.

They coined a term people are still holding on to, when if they just opened their eyes and pealed away the rose colored glasses from a few years ago, they would notice both have just as much (sig and generic). And The Show tends to have more likeness rituals (little things) which count more IMO.

This is not worth arguing about anyhow, because players alter their stances all the time in real life, move a bat differently, change their mechanics, etc etc. And there is no way to please everyone 100% of the time. Personally, threads crying about 2 inches of movement or 5 degree angle of the bat should be nuked right away. That is some petty **** there.

Another example of their "marketing". They say they have "swing stick", people think it is "analog batting", yet there is no analog at all. It is push up to swing. That is no different than pushing B or pushing X. Just because it is mapped to an analog stick, does not make it analog. Now what they had in 2K7 with loading (back), swinging forward (up), that was analog "swing stick".

All I was saying is that marketing can be a powerful thing, in making one think something is more superior than another, when if you take away the coined terms and look at things at face value, they both have just as many "sig styles" and "non sig styles".

[CardsGamer5]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

2006 called...

They want their argument back!

2K did something right, they coined the term "sig style" which marketing has gotten in the heads of gamers to make them think they only do it right.

My favorites were hearing people complain and say Papi and Howard stances are off, when the players themselves were the ones who did them.

Actually, papi's and Ryan Howard's are fine. It's almost everyone else's that are off. BTW, the term "sig style" has nothing to do with. It's just that 2k have gotten most players stances and deliveries right, well SCEA f's up on almost every single one. I don't want to play "the most authentic baseball game" when the players don't bat/pitch anything like their real-life counterparts.

[CardsGamer5]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I mean "marketing" because there is just as much "sign style" in The Show as there is in 2K baseball. Just as many complaints (I see the bat is two inches too low on their forum as well), and just as many non sig styles. Accept The Show has over 200 generic to choose from, to get things close, which helps out a lot.

They coined a term people are still holding on to, when if they just opened their eyes and pealed away the rose colored glasses from a few years ago, they would notice both have just as much (sig and generic). And The Show tends to have more likeness rituals (little things) which count more IMO.

This is not worth arguing about anyhow, because players alter their stances all the time in real life, move a bat differently, change their mechanics, etc etc. And there is no way to please everyone 100% of the time. Personally, threads crying about 2 inches of movement or 5 degree angle of the bat should be nuked right away. That is some petty **** there.

Another example of their "marketing". They say they have "swing stick", people think it is "analog batting", yet there is no analog at all. It is push up to swing. That is no different than pushing B or pushing X. Just because it is mapped to an analog stick, does not make it analog. Now what they had in 2K7 with loading (back), swinging forward (up), that was analog "swing stick".

All I was saying is that marketing can be a powerful thing, in making one think something is more superior than another, when if you take away the coined terms and look at things at face value, they both have just as many "sig styles" and "non sig styles".

I don't give two craps if the bat is two inches lower. What bothers me with the shows styles are that a ton of them are off, espicially for star players. Albert,Longoria,Holliday,K.Morales,Chase Utley,Jayson Werth,Ryan Zimmerman,Nelson Cruz,Ichiro, Hanley Ramirez, Brian McCann,Joey Votto,Scott Rolen,Justin Upton, Carl Crawford, I could go on and on about how many players (star players at that) bat nothing like their real-life self. If a bats two inches off or foot movements alittle bit off, etc.., I don't care. The ones I just listed are completely wrong.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Actually, papi's and Ryan Howard's are fine. It's almost everyone else's that are off. BTW, the term "sig style" has nothing to do with. It's just that 2k have gotten most players stances and deliveries right, well SCEA f's up on almost every single one. I don't want to play "the most authentic baseball game" when the players don't bat/pitch anything like their real-life counterparts.

I used them as an example, because last year and the year before that, there are those who say even THEIR stances are off. The ones that did their own stances.

And I am sorry to hear that you do not want to play this game, which offers the most authentic gameplay and graphical experience for video game baseball, due to a few aesthetic issues with some stances.

Not to mention you are over generalizing. There is a few that are not 100%, but they are also in no way, "so far off this game is just not authentic". That is a sensational argument.

I see just plenty of complaints every year on the 2K boards as well for stances, etc. They have yet to even get the swings, animations, or follow troughs correct (everyone has a generic "swing"), so how they stand compared to how they move is a big part of the equation. And lets hope that the majority of the 2K6 animations that are still in the game (which is unacceptable), is cleaned up for this year. So I will not pass judgment until I see the game hit the shelves.

I don't give two craps if the bat is two inches lower. What bothers me with the shows styles are that a ton of them are off, espicially for star players. Albert,Longoria,Holliday,K.Morales,Chase Utley,Jayson Werth,Ryan Zimmerman,Nelson Cruz,Ichiro, Hanley Ramirez, Brian McCann,Joey Votto,Scott Rolen,Justin Upton, Carl Crawford, I could go on and on about how many players (star players at that) bat nothing like their real-life self. If a bats two inches off or foot movements alittle bit off, etc.., I don't care. The ones I just listed are completely wrong.

Again, we can agree to disagree. Since you say they are "nothing like their real selves", and I feel they are not that far off. And I can also argue about your list being made up of "star players".

Half the baseball world did not know half on your list till this past year. So let us reserve judgment to see what has been added to this year. There is provided proper feedback with videos and what information you can find to submit for the developers, and then there is just ranting and over sensationalizing the issue.

Since I know this is something of importance to them, and they are always striving to get it right. But you can never please anyone. There is always the "inches, angles, foot placement" screamers!

[Skyboxer]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Regardless of the terminology or preferences I think The Show did it right. For a few years (And I loved the game druing 989's last one) The Show took a hit for animations etc... BUT they kept hitting the actual game on the field. Once it was pretty much nailed down then the could focus on the "Little things".

Whether you like 2K or the Show the bottom line for me is no baseball is a better representation on the field than The Show. I could care less wheich is prettier or matches step for step with player likenesses if the gameplay itself is lacking.

Hopefully 2K and The Show both give gamers a great on the field product.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Total agreement. Gameplay is king, and this is where they wear their crown.

Helps having gorgeous graphics and animations, as well as all the little things too to put the icing on the cake.

[cnelly4]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I really think that they need to (and will if Knight has any say in it) allow us to edit more stuff on the players. I am not talking about equipment. I am talking about service time and things like that.

For roster makers, they need to make it so that you can release a player without signing another player. Not every team should have to always have 90 guys on the roster outside of franchise and season mode. This is why guys like Joe Crede and David Weathers (and a ton of others) were sitting in the minor leagues on teams when everyone knows that they were free agents. Allow the roster makers to just release these guys into the free agent pool without having to sign another guy.

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I really think that they need to (and will if Knight has any say in it) allow us to edit more stuff on the players. I am not talking about equipment. I am talking about service time and things like that.

For roster makers, they need to make it so that you can release a player without signing another player. Not every team should have to always have 90 guys on the roster outside of franchise and season mode. This is why guys like Joe Crede and David Weathers (and a ton of others) were sitting in the minor leagues on teams when everyone knows that they were free agents. Allow the roster makers to just release these guys into the free agent pool without having to sign another guy.

You can't edit service time...unfortunately.
You can change anything you like as long as everyone agrees.

......and SCEA wants to open up the roster editing......(in regards to releases/etc...to set up rosters) and are working on it. Kolbe always tries to throw "me"(the community )..a bone in regards to the roster set up. The Vault for instance was a direct result of me crying !

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Oh...I misunderstood your post.
Ignore the first part.....I thought you wanted to edit some things with players.

M.K.
Knight165

[cnelly4]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I want to be able to edit service time on players that are edited. That way Jim Edmonds is not a rookie, along with other veterans that had to be created this year.

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I want to be able to edit service time on players that are edited. That way Jim Edmonds is not a rookie, along with other veterans that had to be created this year.

I've been asking for this.
I'll ask again for sure.

M.K.
Knight165

[harvey88]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

More stats! More popups like hitting vs. current pitcher. RHP vs. LHP splits. AVg. w RISP. Alot of these stats are available, it would just be nice is more relevant info would pop up during an at bat or while pitching like a real MLB broadcast. This is one area where 2K really has us beat right now. New announcers, or at least get rid of Hud. We've been hearing the same lines since mlb 06. Time for a chance to freshen things up. Throwing meter that actually works. Fix a few glitches(ball down the 3rd base line, outfielders magnetically attracted to fences ect..).

[CardsGamer5]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Total agreement. Gameplay is king, and this is where they wear their crown.

Helps having gorgeous graphics and animations, as well as all the little things too to put the icing on the cake.

The thing is they have (and have had) the gameplay down for awhile. They need to start showing big improvements in other things. Espicially RTTS. If done right it would be an excellent mode, but it's currently stale.