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  • Scottdau
    Banned
    • Feb 2003
    • 32580

    #31
    Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

    Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
    I think Matt Cain could break the top 10. His pitches have improved over the past four years and while most of his ratings should stay the same, I see his improvement in BB/9 probably pushing him into the top 10. As for Mat Latos, he should be a B overall, which isn't good enough for the even the top 25. He needs to improve his stamina, durability, and HR/9 as well as his other pitches aside from the fastball.

    Out of the 110 players I picked, I hope that 90 of them make SCEA's top 10 list.
    Oh OK. Cain has the make up and if he can get his confidence up he can move up that chart.

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    • JoeCoolMan24
      MVP
      • Jul 2005
      • 1255

      #32
      Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

      Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
      Actualy it is possible.

      Age
      A. Ramirez 29 (Ratings would either go up or stay the same)
      D. Jeter 37 (Ratings would logically go down)
      J. Rollins 32 (Ratings would go down slightly after last season)

      Alexei should have slightly better power ratings than both
      Power Numbers (HR)
      A. Ramirez 21-15-18
      D. Jeter 11-18-10
      J. Rollins 11-21-8

      Only Jeter would have a better contact rating.
      Contact (AVG)
      A. Ramirez .290-.277-.282
      D. Jeter .300-.334-.270
      J. Rollins .277-.250-.243

      Defensively, Rollins is the best of the three, but Jeter is not that much better than Ramirez, despite the gift gold glove this past season.
      Actually, Ramirez is one of the best defensive SS in baseball.

      UZR:
      Ramirez - 10.8
      Rollins - 6.9
      Jeter - (-4.7)

      Yes, that is a negative for Jeter. He is actually one of the worst defensive SS in baseball, while Alexei finished only behind Brendan Ryan last year.

      http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...0&season1=2010

      I would put my SS list at....

      1) Tulowitzski
      2) H. Ramirez
      3) A. Ramirez
      4) Reyes
      5) Rollins

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      • BatsareBugs
        LVP
        • Feb 2003
        • 12553

        #33
        Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

        Thanks JoeCool. I was looking for something to prove that Ramirez was better than Jeter on defense.

        As you can see, based on just five+ ratings (depending on what the defensive rating categories are this year and how many there are), you can't say that Alexei doesn't belong in the top 5 in a thin position.

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        • sk
          God's Son.
          • Mar 2010
          • 515

          #34
          Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

          Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
          Thanks JoeCool. I was looking for something to prove that Ramirez was better than Jeter on defense.

          As you can see, based on just five+ ratings (depending on what the defensive rating categories are this year and how many there are), you can't say that Alexei doesn't belong in the top 5 in a thin position.
          Yes Alexei is better on defense, but who isn't better than an ancient shortstop?

          UZR and any defensive metric is beyond useless in my opinion because there are so many factors that those stats can't take into account for.

          For example they can't calculate how hard the ball was hit
          "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed"

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          • Crash Davis
            Banned
            • Jan 2008
            • 1321

            #35
            Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

            Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
            Thanks JoeCool. I was looking for something to prove that Ramirez was better than Jeter on defense.

            As you can see, based on just five+ ratings (depending on what the defensive rating categories are this year and how many there are), you can't say that Alexei doesn't belong in the top 5 in a thin position.

            EVERYONES better than Jeter on defense lol lets hear it yankee fans... haha he maybe one of the greatest clutch hitters ever and I admire him in alot of ways but that glove.... :s yikes

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            • Rase
              Rookie
              • Mar 2009
              • 40

              #36
              Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

              Originally posted by krisxsong
              Yes Alexei is better on defense, but who isn't better than an ancient shortstop?

              UZR and any defensive metric is beyond useless in my opinion because there are so many factors that those stats can't take into account for.

              For example they can't calculate how hard the ball was hit

              ummmm.. and Fielding % does???

              The Cuban Missle is the 3rd best SS in the league

              Alexei's WAR was 3.8 from 2010
              Jeter's 2.5
              Rollins 2.3

              That's a big difference...

              As much as i love Robbie he's not the best 2nd baseman... It's Utley and then Cano... Love seeing Brett Gardner getting some spotlight since he's a great player... I would take Votto over A-Gon in the 1st base

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              • JermaineDye05
                Rookie
                • Dec 2008
                • 408

                #37
                Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                Originally posted by Curyy94
                Alexei Ramirez can never be top 5 with Hanley Ramirez, Jose Reyes, Troy Tulowitzky, Derek Jeter, and Jimmy Rollins in this league. He's good but cmon...

                I agree with Thorton however.
                Jeter blows, and is only getting worse.

                He was statistically the worst defensive shortstop in the league last year, while Alexei Ramirez was statistically the best.

                Couple Ramirez's defense with his offense, he's easily in the top 5. Above Andrus easily.

                Top 3: Hanley, Tulo, Alexei.

                Ramirez is probably the best "all-around" short stop in the league.

                It's mind boggling that Ramirez didn't win the GG this past year, when you look at his range.
                Last edited by JermaineDye05; 01-19-2011, 02:28 PM.

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                • JoeCoolMan24
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 1255

                  #38
                  Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                  Originally posted by krisxsong
                  Yes Alexei is better on defense, but who isn't better than an ancient shortstop?

                  UZR and any defensive metric is beyond useless in my opinion because there are so many factors that those stats can't take into account for.

                  For example they can't calculate how hard the ball was hit
                  Yes, but of all the defensive metrics, it's pretty much understood that UZR is the most complete we have so far, and almost always the UZR rankings are consistent. You almost never see a bad fielder put up a good UZR, which is something that can't be said for F%, which is the worst stat in baseball.

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                  • EnigmaNemesis
                    Animal Liberation
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 12216

                    #39
                    Originally posted by JoeCoolMan24
                    Yes, but of all the defensive metrics, it's pretty much understood that UZR is the most complete we have so far, and almost always the UZR rankings are consistent. You almost never see a bad fielder put up a good UZR, which is something that can't be said for F%, which is the worst stat in baseball.
                    Agreed.

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                    • BaseballT
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 31

                      #40
                      Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                      First off let me say that SS is THE hardest position to rate and rank, primarily due to the fact that many, if not most, of the shortstops contributions are not statistically calculated, and if they are, have other factors. That said, if we are going to bring in Alexie, you gotta show Elvis Andrus. Elvis Andrus easily could have, and probably should have won a gold glove this year, and actually did win the defensive PLAYER of the year in the MLB awards...not just for shortstops, but for ALL players. Comparitively, range factors and sabermetrics are similar, as well as fielding %, but offensively Andrus is a monster for the Rangers. His avg is lower, as well as power numbers, but has 3 times the walks, grounded into half the DPs, more HBPs, way more Sacrifice and "productive ABs" as well as dominating in the stolen base department. Granted I am a ranger fan, but watching him was incredible because of what he does beyond the stats. And trust me when I say few SS are more exciting to watch. I mean, the dude was on web gems every night just about! Plus the baserunning, taking the extra base, making heads up plays, leading the defense and doing what NEEDS to be done to let the offense go to work. I would take him over Alexie, but both are legit SS, and both of us are biased to our loyal teams
                      Guns Up, Wreck 'em Tech!

                      Rangers, Cardinals

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                      • Curyy94
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 86

                        #41
                        Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                        How are all these white sox fans saying that Alexei Ramirez is better then Jose Reyes. He's not.....Reyes is one of the most dynamic lead off hitters in the game and though he loses his head sometimes, he's great with the glove. His only problem is injures but he's easily better then Alexei and hes a top 3 SS comon now...

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                        • EnigmaNemesis
                          Animal Liberation
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 12216

                          #42
                          Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                          Lester should be ranked higher than the ten spot.

                          He has pitched great over the three years span, especially in the heavy hitting AL East.

                          Put him in the National League, and knock that 1-1.2 on average ERA off for ace pitchers, and people would look at it differently.
                          Boston Red Sox | Miami Dolphins

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                          • Curyy94
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 86

                            #43
                            Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                            Originally posted by JermaineDye05
                            Jeter blows, and is only getting worse.

                            He was statistically the worst defensive shortstop in the league last year, while Alexei Ramirez was statistically the best.

                            Couple Ramirez's defense with his offense, he's easily in the top 5. Above Andrus easily.

                            Top 3: Hanley, Tulo, Alexei.

                            Ramirez is probably the best "all-around" short stop in the league.

                            It's mind boggling that Ramirez didn't win the GG this past year, when you look at his range.
                            I sure hope you meant Hanley Ramirez is the best all around and not Alexei...

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                            • Curyy94
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 86

                              #44
                              Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                              Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                              Lester should be ranked higher than the ten spot.

                              He has pitched great over the three years span, especially in the heavy hitting AL East.

                              Put him in the National League, and knock that 1-1.2 on average ERA off for ace pitchers, and people would look at it differently.
                              You can't just knock off a 1 ERA thats kind of unfair.... Like me saying put David wright in Fenway he hits 40+ homers...

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                              • BatsareBugs
                                LVP
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 12553

                                #45
                                Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                                The rankings aren't based on "who would pitch better where" or who did better than who, it's based solely on my expectations of the players 11' ratings. Lester would probably be a beast in the NL West, but you could make the same case for David Price if you moved him from the AL East to the NL West.

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