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  • AtlBraves09
    Rookie
    • Dec 2010
    • 127

    #61
    Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

    Originally posted by JermaineDye05
    No, because Jack Wilson can't hit for ****.

    Just because Hanley has more power and speed than Alexei, doesn't make him a better all-around player. He's still lacking heavily on the defensive end.

    You have to take into account every facet of the player's game.

    While Hanley is certainly a better power hitter and base stealer than Alexei, his game is pretty much strictly offensive. While Alexei can help you not only at the plate and on the basepaths, but also in the field.
    - haha, its kind of embarrassing how little credit you are giving to Hanley's defense. While he may not be at the same level defensively as tulo or reyes, he is no slouch by any means... Ive seen him play on a regular basis for quite a while, he is one of the top three I would want playing short for my team. (As long as Dan Uggla is there to rip him a new one when he dogs a shallow fly ball). Your making it sould like Hanley is comparable to a cardboard cut-out of Alexei sitting out at short...

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    • berenjena
      Pro
      • Jan 2008
      • 735

      #62
      Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

      Tulo is the best all around! not SS... but player in the game.

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      • Curyy94
        Banned
        • Dec 2010
        • 86

        #63
        Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

        Originally posted by JermaineDye05
        Jose Reyes' defense has been lacking of late.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...0&season1=2010

        He also lacks the power.

        I'll agree with Tulo. I overlooked him.
        I actually watch the games I don't use numbers to judge for me. When I see Reyes playing defense I see an awesome defender. Alexei will never touch reyes in skill level and impacting the game like Reyes can.

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        • JoeCoolMan24
          MVP
          • Jul 2005
          • 1255

          #64
          Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

          Originally posted by krisxsong
          This has got to be the biggest homer comment.

          Sure Alexei has better defense than Hanley, but Hanley's speed power and batting average far outweighs whatever deficit his defense puts him in.

          Tulo is better on both offense and defense.

          Jose Reyes, when healthy, is better.

          Jimmy Rollins is better.

          Rafael Furcal is better.

          etc.
          He is not saying that Alexei is better than those guys, he is saying Alexei is more well-rounded, which is true (except for Tulo). So Alexei, in my opinion, is the 2nd best all-around SS in baseball, and I'd still put him #3 overall behind Tulo and Hanley.

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          • Curyy94
            Banned
            • Dec 2010
            • 86

            #65
            Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

            Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
            Johan has his best ERA of his career with the Mets, and had a few injuries in 09, which he still had an ERA under 3.20... and under 3 last year.
            He had surgery in the AL and won cy young the following year....i dont think injuries can really be used as an excuse. I'm a Mets fan not like i hate Johan i love him. He just had an easier time in the Al is what im saying.

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            • JermaineDye05
              Rookie
              • Dec 2008
              • 408

              #66
              Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

              Originally posted by AtlBraves09
              - haha, its kind of embarrassing how little credit you are giving to Hanley's defense. While he may not be at the same level defensively as tulo or reyes, he is no slouch by any means... Ive seen him play on a regular basis for quite a while, he is one of the top three I would want playing short for my team. (As long as Dan Uggla is there to rip him a new one when he dogs a shallow fly ball). Your making it sould like Hanley is comparable to a cardboard cut-out of Alexei sitting out at short...
              His UZR last year was -10.2 while Alexei's was 10.8. Pretty close.

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              • Curyy94
                Banned
                • Dec 2010
                • 86

                #67
                Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                Originally posted by JoeCoolMan24
                He is not saying that Alexei is better than those guys, he is saying Alexei is more well-rounded, which is true (except for Tulo). So Alexei, in my opinion, is the 2nd best all-around SS in baseball, and I'd still put him #3 overall behind Tulo and Hanley.
                Reyes is Way better then Alexei i cant see how hes #3. Normally i respect opinions when its close but this is not even close Reyes murders Alexei in how he impacts the game.

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                • JoeCoolMan24
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 1255

                  #68
                  Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                  Originally posted by AtlBraves09
                  - haha, its kind of embarrassing how little credit you are giving to Hanley's defense. While he may not be at the same level defensively as tulo or reyes, he is no slouch by any means... Ive seen him play on a regular basis for quite a while, he is one of the top three I would want playing short for my team. (As long as Dan Uggla is there to rip him a new one when he dogs a shallow fly ball). Your making it sould like Hanley is comparable to a cardboard cut-out of Alexei sitting out at short...
                  Actually, it's quite accurate how right he is about Hanley's defense.

                  Statiscally, Hanley was the 2nd WORST defensive SS in baseball, with only Jason Bartlett being worse. His UZR was -10.2. Compare that to Alexei who was the 2nd BEST defensive SS, and he had a +10.8. That's a massive difference. Last year, Hanley was average with a -0.2, but this year he was quite bad.

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                  • Curyy94
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 86

                    #69
                    Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                    Originally posted by JoeCoolMan24
                    Actually, it's quite accurate how right he is about Hanley's defense.

                    Statiscally, Hanley was the 2nd WORST defensive SS in baseball, with only Jason Bartlett being worse. His UZR was -10.2. Compare that to Alexei who was the 2nd BEST defensive SS, and he had a +10.8. That's a massive difference. Last year, Hanley was average with a -0.2, but this year he was quite bad.
                    We all know Hanley is a horrible defender. But his speed contact and power are all way better then alexeis. So their for Hanley takes 3 out of 4 in the all around catagory. Alexi is a horrible base stealer 13 steals with 8 caught stolen is trash. Then his average and power doesn't come close to hanleys. Theirfore Hanley is a better all around player.

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                    • EnigmaNemesis
                      Animal Liberation
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 12216

                      #70
                      Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                      Originally posted by Curyy94
                      He had surgery in the AL and won cy young the following year....i dont think injuries can really be used as an excuse. I'm a Mets fan not like i hate Johan i love him. He just had an easier time in the Al is what im saying.
                      Point taken, and you have to judge it per division I suppose.

                      Phillie's hitting is/was built like the Red Sox/Yankees, so he had to contend with a more more hitting division than the AL central.

                      But division per division, pitchers have a tad easier time with pitch counts, etc in the NL due to the pitcher hitting and on average a weaker bottom of the order NL.

                      Randy Johnson went on record many times stating this.
                      Boston Red Sox | Miami Dolphins

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                      • JoeCoolMan24
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 1255

                        #71
                        Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                        Originally posted by Curyy94
                        Reyes is Way better then Alexei i cant see how hes #3. Normally i respect opinions when its close but this is not even close Reyes murders Alexei in how he impacts the game.
                        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...0&season1=2010

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                        • Curyy94
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 86

                          #72
                          Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                          If your trying to say Alexei is better then Reyes that is really biased of you.....Everyone knows he isn't. Look at Reyes's stats when he was healthy...Alexei doesn't touch him.

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                          • AtlBraves09
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 127

                            #73
                            Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                            Originally posted by JermaineDye05
                            His UZR last year was -10.2 while Alexei's was 10.8. Pretty close.
                            - this is hilarious... dont get me wrong... I understand that Hanley in not in the top 15 defensively, but the offensive numbers the guys puts up forgives most if not all of his defensive miscues... which is inflated because of the parking lot those infielders play on. Anyway... I understand the love for your players... I mean I see McCann as the best all around catcher in the game so...

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                            • Curyy94
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 86

                              #74
                              Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                              Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                              Point taken, and you have to judge it per division I suppose.

                              Phillie's hitting is/was built like the Red Sox/Yankees, so he had to contend with a more more hitting division than the AL central.

                              But division per division, pitchers have a tad easier time with pitch counts, etc in the NL due to the pitcher hitting and on average a weaker bottom of the order NL.

                              Randy Johnson went on record many times stating this.
                              Yeah i get your point, im just saying you cant knock off a whole point of the ERA that's alot...

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                              • Curyy94
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 86

                                #75
                                Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                                Originally posted by AtlBraves09
                                - this is hilarious... dont get me wrong... I understand that Hanley in not in the top 15 defensively, but the offensive numbers the guys puts up forgives most if not all of his defensive miscues... which is inflated because of the parking lot those infielders play on. Anyway... I understand the love for your players... I mean I see McCann as the best all around catcher in the game so...
                                Thats fine because McCann is actually pretty good. Alexei is.....okay i guess.

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