Previews of Top 10 at each position?

[Curyy94]

Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

I think you're letting the name and the uniform get to you a bit. Watch Alexei play. Watch some of his highlights from this past season and tell me that he doesn't change a game.

I know who alexei is.... i know what he can do. I like the white sox as a organization and i do look at their players..... Alexei isn't a reyes type player.

[Scottdau]

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im not trying to insult you, im sorry if i did. The point is that yes Alexei is a good player, i wouldn't mind having him on my team. But reyes is one of those special players you can't compare alexei too....i just dont think their close in general let alone alexei being better.

is like this i think reyes is better then tulo but if you say tulo is better then reyes im fine with it, because their comparable. i just dont feel reyes and alexei are.

When he can actually stay healthy for a full season he is Still a risk. I would take AR. I like Reyes but he is damage goods. If he plays for a full season and rips it up again I would take he over anyone not named Troy or Hanley.

[Curyy94]

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When he can actually stay healthy for a full season he is Still a risk. I would take AR. I like Reyes but he is damage goods. If he plays for a full season and rips it up again I would take he over anyone not named Troy or Hanley.

I wouldn't say he's "damaged goods"

Id say the perfect defnitiion of a damaged goods player would be like pablo sandoval or barry zito or something.

[Scottdau]

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I wouldn't say he's "damaged goods"

Id say the perfect defnitiion of a damaged goods player would be like pablo sandoval or barry zito or something.

When you are only 27 and breaking down each year you are damage goods. Pandoval is still up in the air. He has finished two seasons. I like Reyes but being 27 and breaking down as much as he has is damage goods in my book. Nice Giants dig though.

[Curyy94]

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When you are only 27 and breaking down each year you are damage goods. Pandoval is still up in the air. He has finished two seasons. I like Reyes but being 27 and breaking down as much as he has is damage goods in my book. Nice Giants dig though.

With all that weight on him im surprised pablo sandoval can stay in the air for more than 2 seconds.

[Scottdau]

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With all that weight on him im surprised pablo sandoval can stay in the air for more than 2 seconds.

If he doesn't loss the weight he will never make it in the league. He is only 23 and getting bigger as he gets older. If he can lose the weight then it is skies the limit. He squares that ball up with the best of them.

[CardsGamer5]

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Holy Crap!!! For the first day I made this there was 2 comments. Then I forget to check the site for two days, and it's balloned to 11 pages!!!
I'm thinking it's all because Russell commented!!!

[BatsareBugs]

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Holy Crap!!! For the first day I made this there was 2 comments. Then I forget to check the site for two days, and it's balloned to 11 pages!!!
I'm thinking it's all because Russell commented!!!

No, it's because my prediction on the top 10 at each position started a debate. Then other people listed their top 3 or 5 and now SS is the position in question.

In any case, I'll attempt to quell the SS debate.

Hanley Ramirez and Troy Tulowitzki ARE the elite shortstops, even though Tulowitzki benefits slightly from Coors Field, the ratings themselves are not adjusted for park factors (If they were, Adrian Gonzalez wouldn't be rated as low as he was and no one would've taken issue with his top 1B status two years ago). Hanley offensive capabilities alone are the best of any shortstop in the league, including Tulowitzki. Hanley also has the better speed, but Tulowitzki is one of the best defensive shortstops in the game.

So now that we've knocked out 1 and 2, that leaves us with number 3 and I had to think about this one. The reason I picked Elvis Andrus despite the fact that his contact ratings aren't as high as Jose or Alexei is that even if you want to call him above average defensively, it's his defense and speed that help him tremendously, much like Jose back then and the fact that out of the three, he's the youngest and he had the better season and thus should improve ratings-wise. I picked Alexei fourth because his offense is more balanced in comparison to Jose Reyes, although Jose has MUCH better speed, defense, and contact. Where Reyes falls short is mainly durability, plate discipline, and to a lessesr extent power.

Jeter, Drew, and Rollins in my opinion should be about the same in overall. You're probably saying Rollins should be ranked higher, but he isn't the same shortstop he was two years ago, he's much older and his skills have somewhat deteriorated since. While he may still have the power and speed, his contact and durability should decline. As for Jeter, yes he's old and he's the worst defensively, but his decline last season won't bump him down as much. He still has power (slightly less than the other six shortstops mentioned), better contact ratings than most, average to above average speed and baserunning ability. As for Stephen Drew, he's a solid shortstop, but really inconsistent.

I'll be honest, I'll change my rankings as I see fit, but no one will be satisfied until they feel "their guy" is getting the respect they think he deserves, but you need consider that players abilities in respect to others in terms of a video game.

[BatsareBugs]

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If he doesn't loss the weight he will never make it in the league. He is only 23 and getting bigger as he gets older. If he can lose the weight then it is skies the limit. He squares that ball up with the best of them.

I'm pretty sure Sandoval's problems were not related to his weight but moreso with off-field stuff. He's a still a good third basemen and is still young, so it's hard to see that he should be bumped much ratings-wise.

[JoeCoolMan24]

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No, it's because my prediction on the top 10 at each position started a debate. Then other people listed their top 3 or 5 and now SS is the position in question.

In any case, I'll attempt to quell the SS debate.

Hanley Ramirez and Troy Tulowitzki ARE the elite shortstops, even though Tulowitzki benefits slightly from Coors Field, the ratings themselves are not adjusted for park factors (If they were, Adrian Gonzalez wouldn't be rated as low as he was and no one would've taken issue with his top 1B status two years ago). Hanley offensive capabilities alone are the best of any shortstop in the league, including Tulowitzki. Hanley also has the better speed, but Tulowitzki is one of the best defensive shortstops in the game.

So now that we've knocked out 1 and 2, that leaves us with number 3 and I had to think about this one. The reason I picked Elvis Andrus despite the fact that his contact ratings aren't as high as Jose or Alexei is that even if you want to call him above average defensively, it's his defense and speed that help him tremendously, much like Jose back then and the fact that out of the three, he's the youngest and he had the better season and thus should improve ratings-wise. I picked Alexei fourth because his offense is more balanced in comparison to Jose Reyes, although Jose has MUCH better speed, defense, and contact. Where Reyes falls short is mainly durability, plate discipline, and to a lessesr extent power.

Jeter, Drew, and Rollins in my opinion should be about the same in overall. You're probably saying Rollins should be ranked higher, but he isn't the same shortstop he was two years ago, he's much older and his skills have somewhat deteriorated since. While he may still have the power and speed, his contact and durability should decline. As for Jeter, yes he's old and he's the worst defensively, but his decline last season won't bump him down as much. He still has power (slightly less than the other six shortstops mentioned), better contact ratings than most, average to above average speed and baserunning ability. As for Stephen Drew, he's a solid shortstop, but really inconsistent.

I'll be honest, I'll change my rankings as I see fit, but no one will be satisfied until they feel "their guy" is getting the respect they think he deserves, but you need consider that players abilities in respect to others in terms of a video game.

Again, I'll just post this.....


Defense.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...0&season1=2010

[Curyy94]

Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

No, it's because my prediction on the top 10 at each position started a debate. Then other people listed their top 3 or 5 and now SS is the position in question.

In any case, I'll attempt to quell the SS debate.

Hanley Ramirez and Troy Tulowitzki ARE the elite shortstops, even though Tulowitzki benefits slightly from Coors Field, the ratings themselves are not adjusted for park factors (If they were, Adrian Gonzalez wouldn't be rated as low as he was and no one would've taken issue with his top 1B status two years ago). Hanley offensive capabilities alone are the best of any shortstop in the league, including Tulowitzki. Hanley also has the better speed, but Tulowitzki is one of the best defensive shortstops in the game.

So now that we've knocked out 1 and 2, that leaves us with number 3 and I had to think about this one. The reason I picked Elvis Andrus despite the fact that his contact ratings aren't as high as Jose or Alexei is that even if you want to call him above average defensively, it's his defense and speed that help him tremendously, much like Jose back then and the fact that out of the three, he's the youngest and he had the better season and thus should improve ratings-wise. I picked Alexei fourth because his offense is more balanced in comparison to Jose Reyes, although Jose has MUCH better speed, defense, and contact. Where Reyes falls short is mainly durability, plate discipline, and to a lessesr extent power.

Jeter, Drew, and Rollins in my opinion should be about the same in overall. You're probably saying Rollins should be ranked higher, but he isn't the same shortstop he was two years ago, he's much older and his skills have somewhat deteriorated since. While he may still have the power and speed, his contact and durability should decline. As for Jeter, yes he's old and he's the worst defensively, but his decline last season won't bump him down as much. He still has power (slightly less than the other six shortstops mentioned), better contact ratings than most, average to above average speed and baserunning ability. As for Stephen Drew, he's a solid shortstop, but really inconsistent.

I'll be honest, I'll change my rankings as I see fit, but no one will be satisfied until they feel "their guy" is getting the respect they think he deserves, but you need consider that players abilities in respect to others in terms of a video game.

Reyes has better power....he plays in citi....and plus hes had 19 in shea thats saying something.... He is actually really strong. And Im just stresing the fact hes a game changer! He makes oponents change their gameplan! His skills and talents always shift the way the games are going. Theirs a reason why when he scores 1 run or more the mets are about a .700 ballclub, and they are so lackluster without him.

Alexei is just a solid bat in the lineup with a good glove he doesn't change much.

[BatsareBugs]

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You're forgetting this game doesn't only take last year into consideration, but 2008 and 2009 as well since they need more historically data in an attempt to best represent the players abilities through ratings.

In 2009, Alexei was 12th, and Jeter was in front of him in 6th place.

In any case, Reyes only shows up in 2008, probably because that's the last time he had a full season. However, seeing as to how Rollins is 1st over the course of 2008-2010, I should probably adjust him accordingly.

[Speedy]

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Y'awl need to stop posting in this thread...I keep thinking I'll actually see a preview!

[MLB Bob]

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This is a great debate....I like the selective stats being thrown around and perspective that gets lost. Both have valid points and very entertaining

[Curyy94]

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You're forgetting this game doesn't only take last year into consideration, but 2008 and 2009 as well since they need more historically data in an attempt to best represent the players abilities through ratings.

In 2009, Alexei was 12th, and Jeter was in front of him in 6th place.

In any case, Reyes only shows up in 2008, probably because that's the last time he had a full season. However, seeing as to how Rollins is 1st over the course of 2008-2010, I should probably adjust him accordingly.

1.hanley ramirez
2.troy tulo / jose reyes
3.troy tulo / hanley ramirez
4.j roll
5.andrus/drew/alexei/jeter

simple as thattttttt