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  • ronzie
    Rookie
    • Mar 2011
    • 3

    #136
    Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

    I know how they do the rankings. That's why I am upset. We didn't lose anyone worth mentioning and we had some players improve from previous years plus we added Nishioka, who is a great infielder and a good hitter. The Twins have been consistent the past few years so your argument regarding this is in my opinion is invalid.

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    • jd369
      Banned
      • Sep 2008
      • 1341

      #137
      Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

      Originally posted by B-Man1985
      Ummm...even with ALL the injuries the Phillies had to deal with they still won 97 games last year...most in babseball...Yea they lost Werth who batted a whopping 0.157 with runners in scoring position and 0.333 with no one on base so they lose some home runs but it's not like they are going to need to score over 5 runs to win most of the time anyway...Phils have 4 pitchers that will go atleast 7 which leaves two good setup men in Contreras and Madson in the 8th with a spotty closer in Lidge.

      Red Sox bullpen is horrible and they didn't upgrade...Yankees have 1 ace...1....forget about their bullpen which will be coming out in the 4th most of the time...

      Giants were a product of what the Phillies were in 2008. Everything that needed to go their way to win the WS did. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.
      This post is hilarious! Ill give you that Doc and Lee will make it 7 most games, but you are seriously over valuing oswalt who averaged 6.6 innings last year and hamels who was one game over .500 and avereaged 6.3 innings. yeah those 2 are gonna go 7 almost every game. and you think anyone in the league is scared of conteras and madson? ROFL!

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      • jd369
        Banned
        • Sep 2008
        • 1341

        #138
        Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

        Originally posted by ronzie
        I know how they do the rankings. That's why I am upset. We didn't lose anyone worth mentioning and we had some players improve from previous years plus we added Nishioka, who is a great infielder and a good hitter. The Twins have been consistent the past few years so your argument regarding this is in my opinion is invalid.
        I was surprised the twins were that low as well, but I dont know their whole roster. since it is solely based on cumulative ratings of players it could be they have some lower rated bench/bullpen guys that brought down their rating.

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        • Dog
          aka jnes12/JNes__
          • Aug 2008
          • 11846

          #139
          Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

          Originally posted by jd369
          This post is hilarious! Ill give you that Doc and Lee will make it 7 most games, but you are seriously over valuing oswalt who averaged 6.6 innings last year and hamels who was one game over .500 and avereaged 6.3 innings. yeah those 2 are gonna go 7 almost every game. and you think anyone in the league is scared of conteras and madson? ROFL!
          Contreras no, Madson yes.

          Also, If you are really taking into account Hamels record, the whole post is irrelevant. Felix Hernandez was "one game over .500" too..
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          • jd369
            Banned
            • Sep 2008
            • 1341

            #140
            Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

            Originally posted by JNes12
            Contreras no, Madson yes.

            Also, If you are really taking into account Hamels record, the whole post is irrelevant. Felix Hernandez was "one game over .500" too..
            felix hernandex plays for the sucky mariners, not the "juggernaut all mighty" philadelphia phillies! and I guess Im not scared of madson cause I usually only see him when he plays the braves. his 6 something ERA against last year isnt all that imposing.

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            • Dogslax41
              MVP
              • Aug 2003
              • 1901

              #141
              Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

              Originally posted by juicer420
              After reading through this thread, it seems to me that the people calling the Giants "over-rated" are fans of the Phillies and Braves or have Socal or LAX in their name. Hmmmm....
              It seems like the only ones saying they are not are Giants fans.

              I havent seen anyone saying the Giants aren't a good team but I think anyone other than Giants fans and probably even some Giants fans would agree that when ranked on pure talent (which these rankings represent) and not taking into account the intangible "magic" that a team may have or not have from season to season the Giants would not be a top 3 team this year or even honestly at the end of last year despite winning it all.

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              • Dog
                aka jnes12/JNes__
                • Aug 2008
                • 11846

                #142
                Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

                Originally posted by jd369
                felix hernandex plays for the sucky mariners, not the "juggernaut all mighty" philadelphia phillies! and I guess Im not scared of madson cause I usually only see him when he plays the braves. his 6 something ERA against last year isnt all that imposing.
                Trust me, Madson is a great setup guy, and will most likely jump ship and be a good closer for another team when his contract ends. And I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm pretty sure Hamel's average run support was the same if not lower than Felix's. Not saying he is on the same level as Felix, but he certainly isn't as low as you are saying he is.
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                • jd369
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1341

                  #143
                  Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

                  Originally posted by JNes12
                  Trust me, Madson is a great setup guy, and will most likely jump ship and be a good closer for another team when his contract ends. And I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm pretty sure Hamel's average run support was the same if not lower than Felix's. Not saying he is on the same level as Felix, but he certainly isn't as low as you are saying he is.

                  And I dont think hamels is a scrub, but he is not an ace, he is a slightly above average pitcher, so this whole "4 aces" thing is a crock. I could tag the braves with the same title if I was as dilusional as some of the phils fans that I read posts on, but I know the braves dont have anywhere close to 4 aces. they do have an excellent pitching staff though, so the "4 aces" fans shouldnt expect to run away with the division this year.

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                  • Dog
                    aka jnes12/JNes__
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 11846

                    #144
                    Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

                    Originally posted by jd369
                    And I dont think hamels is a scrub, but he is not an ace, he is a slightly above average pitcher, so this whole "4 aces" thing is a crock. I could tag the braves with the same title if I was as dilusional as some of the phils fans that I read posts on, but I know the braves dont have anywhere close to 4 aces. they do have an excellent pitching staff though, so the "4 aces" fans shouldnt expect to run away with the division this year.

                    The Phillies top 4 are in the top 22 overall in Pitcher WAR in the entire MLB since 2008.

                    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...on1=2008&ind=0

                    And in the top 14 overall for WHIP since 2008:

                    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...on1=2008&ind=0

                    Looks like 4 aces to me.
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                    • Dogslax41
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1901

                      #145
                      Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

                      Originally posted by jd369
                      And I dont think hamels is a scrub, but he is not an ace, he is a slightly above average pitcher, so this whole "4 aces" thing is a crock. I could tag the braves with the same title if I was as dilusional as some of the phils fans that I read posts on, but I know the braves dont have anywhere close to 4 aces. they do have an excellent pitching staff though, so the "4 aces" fans shouldnt expect to run away with the division this year.
                      I think Hamels is a bit more than a slightly better than average pitcher. He is not an ace by any stretch but 80% of teams would love to have him as their #2 let alone their #4. I think that Philly fans are going to miss Werth far more than they think they are. Having that right handed power bat hitting just under .300 and right around 100 RBIs protecting left handed Howard and Utley was a big component of their offense.

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                      • etched Chaos
                        Pro
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 800

                        #146
                        Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

                        Originally posted by jd369
                        And I dont think hamels is a scrub, but he is not an ace, he is a slightly above average pitcher, so this whole "4 aces" thing is a crock. I could tag the braves with the same title if I was as dilusional as some of the phils fans that I read posts on, but I know the braves dont have anywhere close to 4 aces. they do have an excellent pitching staff though, so the "4 aces" fans shouldnt expect to run away with the division this year.
                        Um, what? You do realise that last year Hamels was 7th for WAR for pitchers, not to mention he was top ten for alot of his peripherals. If he was a Brave (thank god he isn't) he'd be your defacto ace and you'd be shouting it from the rooftops.

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                        • jd369
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1341

                          #147
                          Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

                          Originally posted by JNes12
                          The Phillies top 4 are in the top 22 overall in Pitcher WAR in the entire MLB since 2008.

                          http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...on1=2008&ind=0

                          And in the top 14 overall for WHIP since 2008:

                          http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...on1=2008&ind=0

                          Looks like 4 aces to me.
                          That list shows exactly why this WAR "stat" is stupid. It only values how good you are based on who would replace you if you went down. It does nothing to show actual value to the overall game. Wandy Rodriguez has a higher WAR than Chris Carpenter. going by this "stat" would mean that Wandy would be more sought after than Carpenter if both were on the market.

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                          • Dog
                            aka jnes12/JNes__
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 11846

                            #148
                            Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

                            Originally posted by jd369
                            That list shows exactly why this WAR "stat" is stupid. It only values how good you are based on who would replace you if you went down. It does nothing to show actual value to the overall game. Wandy Rodriguez has a higher WAR than Chris Carpenter. going by this "stat" would mean that Wandy would be more sought after than Carpenter if both were on the market.
                            So what is your defense of the WHIP leaders then?
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                            • jd369
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1341

                              #149
                              Re: MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

                              Originally posted by etched Chaos
                              Um, what? You do realise that last year Hamels was 7th for WAR for pitchers, not to mention he was top ten for alot of his peripherals. If he was a Brave (thank god he isn't) he'd be your defacto ace and you'd be shouting it from the rooftops.
                              see my above post about WAR, its a useless "stat". Tim hudson is the braves ace, he would be even if hamels was a brave, which I also thank god he is not. hudson last year was more comparable to halladay than he was hamels, the only thing he lacks is he is not a high strikeout pitcher.

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                              • smearz
                                Rookie
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 105

                                #150
                                Originally posted by jd369
                                That list shows exactly why this WAR "stat" is stupid. It only values how good you are based on who would replace you if you went down. It does nothing to show actual value to the overall game. Wandy Rodriguez has a higher WAR than Chris Carpenter. going by this "stat" would mean that Wandy would be more sought after than Carpenter if both were on the market.
                                JD, you seem like a bitter Braves fan. What happened last year when the Braves came into Philly with a chance to close the gap and try to take back first place? And in the first game of the series, what happened against Cole Hamels? How 'bout 1 run on 6 hits in 8 innings. And Hamels won his 5th straight start, all while allowing 1 run or fewer and going at least 6 innings in those 5 starts. That doesn't sound slightly above average to me.

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