2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

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  • tabarnes19_SDS
    Game Designer
    • Feb 2003
    • 3084

    #256
    Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

    Originally posted by HustlinOwl
    did not. Was single team control with ignore budgets on

    I never tried with budgets off. Did you have training on manual? Do you mind simming another season see if it is delayed?

    Maybe budgets off works this year...That would be good.

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    • Neolithic
      Pro
      • Apr 2003
      • 699

      #257
      Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

      yes, in my tests of making offers on day 1, my tests have all kept the "known stars" from being FA's as of spring training.

      I think we've narrowed this issue down to the Tender/Non-Tender date, and players that should remain under team control being dumped into the FA pool, skewing everything from how it should be.

      And I think it's cool that all of us pretty much in the last set of posts, all came to the same conclusions and ideas for a fix :P
      You do what you want in your association, don't let others ruin the fun. Just because other people say it's cheap doesn't mean you have to let it affect your association, just have fun - Evan_OS

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      • HustlinOwl
        All Star
        • Mar 2004
        • 9713

        #258
        Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

        Originally posted by tabarnes19
        I never tried with budgets off. Did you have training on manual? Do you mind simming another season see if it is delayed?

        Maybe budgets off works this year...That would be good.
        all settings were auto. I can sim again, give me settings you would like to test

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        • ktd1976
          MVP
          • Mar 2006
          • 1935

          #259
          Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

          Originally posted by Neolithic
          yes, in my tests of making offers on day 1, my tests have all kept the "known stars" from being FA's as of spring training.

          I think we've narrowed this issue down to the Tender/Non-Tender date, and players that should remain under team control being dumped into the FA pool, skewing everything from how it should be.

          And I think it's cool that all of us pretty much in the last set of posts, all came to the same conclusions and ideas for a fix :P
          that's what happens when you get a bunch of fans of the game getting together to try to work out the kinks and help the great people at SCEA out a bit.

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          • Knight165
            *ll St*r
            • Feb 2003
            • 24964

            #260
            Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

            While I have nothing to do with SCEA....
            I do love this game and would go to great lengths to getting it as GREAT as possible.

            I'd like to thank you guys for taking the time to do this and help the guys at SCEA out by posting your thoughts on this.
            Trust me...they absolutely appreciate and take into account our input and suggestions.

            I think we've at least narrowed the problem down a bit and if SCEA can do anything...I'm sure this helps.

            M.K.
            Knight165
            All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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            • ktd1976
              MVP
              • Mar 2006
              • 1935

              #261
              Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

              Originally posted by Knight165
              While I have nothing to do with SCEA....
              I do love this game and would go to great lengths to getting it as GREAT as possible.

              I'd like to thank you guys for taking the time to do this and help the guys at SCEA out by posting your thoughts on this.
              Trust me...they absolutely appreciate and take into account our input and suggestions.

              I think we've at least narrowed the problem down a bit and if SCEA can do anything...I'm sure this helps.

              M.K.
              Knight165
              I feel the same way. I feel bad that I don't have the time to go in depth with the sims as some of you have. I just hope that we have provided the great guys at SCEA with some info to help them work out the problem. And, you know, even if they can't they have still made the single, most realistic, and enjoyable baseball video game experience imaginable. And I thank them for that.

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              • Neolithic
                Pro
                • Apr 2003
                • 699

                #262
                Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                Aye Knight, hopefully we've in some way helped them out!

                I too would do a lot to help make this great game, even better.
                You do what you want in your association, don't let others ruin the fun. Just because other people say it's cheap doesn't mean you have to let it affect your association, just have fun - Evan_OS

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                • Knight165
                  *ll St*r
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 24964

                  #263
                  Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                  Originally posted by Neolithic
                  Aye Knight, hopefully we've in some way helped them out!

                  I too would do a lot to help make this great game, even better.
                  I think we have.

                  M.K.
                  Knight165
                  All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                  • Heroesandvillains
                    MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 5974

                    #264
                    Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                    TBarnes, a few pages back, I laid out exactly what/how to test this for Hustlin. Unless he changed something, go by that (2 pages back I think...when he asked how to set this great sim up). Seriously, great job HO!

                    Everyone testing this should read that, so any further testing can be varied off of his...which had favorable results.

                    We're close to a workaround...or possible patch best case.

                    Nice work fellas.
                    Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 03-17-2011, 11:24 PM.

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                    • Heroesandvillains
                      MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 5974

                      #265
                      Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                      Originally posted by Knight165
                      I think we have.

                      M.K.
                      Knight165
                      Gosh...I love this community!

                      And I never use the word 'gosh' lightly.

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                      • Neolithic
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 699

                        #266
                        Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                        Making a quick assumption we've successfully nailed down the issue, the workaround would be 30 team control, and making default/lowball offers to every teams renewable contracts before dec 2nd. The CPU will still do it's thing with bids on FA's and I assume it will exercise it's renew contract function come feb 15th.

                        I might run another test of just that and see what happens. the only thing I'll interject in on the dummy profile teams is to make default offers to all their contract renewable players. I won't dabble ( but I will watch arbitration offers before and after the exclusive period ends to see if all/some vanish) in arbitration, or any other part of FA for them, and see what happens.


                        EDIT: I'll run 2 sims, one with budgets on, the other off.
                        Last edited by Neolithic; 03-17-2011, 11:25 PM.
                        You do what you want in your association, don't let others ruin the fun. Just because other people say it's cheap doesn't mean you have to let it affect your association, just have fun - Evan_OS

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                        • Heroesandvillains
                          MVP
                          • May 2009
                          • 5974

                          #267
                          Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                          Neo, Hustlin did a single team chise'.

                          But yes, I think that would also work for 30 team...the way you just said it.

                          I'm not certain on the renewables though. I offered to three teams' renewables in my sims. This would be great to know!

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                          • Neolithic
                            Pro
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 699

                            #268
                            Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                            The first one I'm doing now is 30 team control, everything set to Auto in both my profile and dummy profile, It seems the CPU tends to do everything on cutoff day. It didn't offer any arbitration offers until the deadline day to do so, then it did it for what looks like most everyone it could offer it to. It did make offers to players in the exclisive period, some even signing new deals before the period ended. I'm at Dec 2 right now, and it has made offers to 90% of the contract renewable guys, but there is still players on every team taht are renewable and have A/B potential with no offers yet, so I'm making offers to all of them, and see waht the AI does come february.
                            You do what you want in your association, don't let others ruin the fun. Just because other people say it's cheap doesn't mean you have to let it affect your association, just have fun - Evan_OS

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                            • ktd1976
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 1935

                              #269
                              Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                              Originally posted by Neolithic
                              The first one I'm doing now is 30 team control, everything set to Auto in both my profile and dummy profile, It seems the CPU tends to do everything on cutoff day. It didn't offer any arbitration offers until the deadline day to do so, then it did it for what looks like most everyone it could offer it to. It did make offers to players in the exclisive period, some even signing new deals before the period ended. I'm at Dec 2 right now, and it has made offers to 90% of the contract renewable guys, but there is still players on every team taht are renewable and have A/B potential with no offers yet, so I'm making offers to all of them, and see waht the AI does come february.
                              keep doing this up until the 2014 offseason...seems that's when the problems arise...

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                              • Neolithic
                                Pro
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 699

                                #270
                                Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                                I'll post my first offseason results when I finish it up here shortly. going through 2014 or 2015 will probably take me a while, as it takes about 20 minutes or so to go through every team and make the offers to everyone. On the plus, if the results show promise after this offseason, I can sim straight away to dec 2 and not look as hard at arbitration offers, and such, once I know they are working right.
                                You do what you want in your association, don't let others ruin the fun. Just because other people say it's cheap doesn't mean you have to let it affect your association, just have fun - Evan_OS

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