A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

[lilbiggio]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

I'm sitting here almost giddy to try this out lol... I have been struggling badly reading balls in this game, and this sounds brilliant.

You should get a free game next year for this. Seriously. This was a good find, and you gotta know it'll be in the game next year as a default thanks to you.

[Zumi]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

I've replicated your cam and was able to do it from offset.

got it as well, using 'High'

[chrishthomas]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

I stopped following this thread somewhere back around page 6 or 7. But, I did try this view, along with another where I tried to replicate a true hitter's view as closely as possible (it can't really be done with the current cameras, but I zoomed in as close as I could to the batter, and basically what I can see of his body is from the from the top of his belt to his chin, then to the degree possible, I pulled the camera as tight to his head, and as high up toward eye-level looking down). I have them both saved, and have used them with my RTTS player, and in batting practice, but I have yet to make the switch to use it in my Season. I've gotten accustomed to the view I use (Catcher 5), and although I would probably get use to one of these views if I dedicated myself to it, I don't want to suffer through the adjustment time.

Anyway,here's a question, more for thought than for an unequivocal answer. But, here goes . . .

In this thread there are statements about how it made the lefty-lefty/righty-righty match ups more realistic and tougher for the batter. And, the greater the extent to which any of us exaggerate that inward offset (in some of my test views, I really did a big shift), then the same hand match ups become more challenging.

So, I am all for realism, and that's why we have different contact and power ratings for left versus right handed pitchers. But...to the extent that we create these views that replicate the difficulty of same-handed match ups, are we doubly penalizing ourselves?

That is to say, if we have actually made it more difficult to hit versus same handed pitchers, and the game already has reduced ratings for same handed matches, then aren't we being penalized in terms of both making it harder to execute against the match up, and then our ratings make a further (secondary) impact.

Now, obviously, we aren't going to be able to reproduce a view that would increase the difficulty of same-handed match ups to a realistic level, so there should definitely be ratings degradation built in, but I was just throwing the idea out there for comment.

[Geronimo22]

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But...to the extent that we create these views that replicate the difficulty of same-handed match ups, are we doubly penalizing ourselves?

That is to say, if we have actually made it more difficult to hit versus same handed pitchers, and the game already has reduced ratings for same handed matches, then aren't we being penalized in terms of both making it harder to execute against the match up, and then our ratings make a further (secondary) impact.

Now, obviously, we aren't going to be able to reproduce a view that would increase the difficulty of same-handed match ups to a realistic level, so there should definitely be ratings degradation built in, but I was just throwing the idea out there for comment.

Chrishthomas, I agree with you 100%. It does concern me that using this view can dramatically reduce your success for "like handed" match ups. Especially when you combine both the visual and ratings factors.

But take into consideration that spit_bubble's offset angle is VERY slight. IMO, it's almost straight on. I don't want to speak for spit_bubble, but when he created the view, he only moved the R Stick a hair to the inside to make it offset. Take a look at the guys who posted pictures with the strike zone box visible. See how the pitcher is just slightly offset from the center of the zone.

So my point is; reduced vision only becomes an issue the more you offset the camera. The more you offset it, the more you will reduce your horizontal ability to see the pitcher's release and the outside part of the plate.

Personally, I PREFER to have my view more offset than spit_bubble's prototype. I set my camera so that the pitchers body is touching the edge of the strike zone. It improves my gauge on pitch speed and better see the angle of breaking balls with more accuracy. IMO, that's the true advantage of the offset camera. But maybe that's a post for another thread.

[Zumi]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

What sliders/hitting style are you guys using since switching to this view - for those of you drawing tons of walks and hits.

[BlingBling19]

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I tried to replicate the view and just could not get it right. I got something I think sorta close and found that I was "late" on tons of pitches. Striking out 10+ times a game lol. So I don't think this camera view is for me.

[Blzer]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

I tried to replicate the view and just could not get it right. I got something I think sorta close and found that I was "late" on tons of pitches. Striking out 10+ times a game lol. So I don't think this camera view is for me.

Lower the pitch speed.

[BlingBling19]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

Lower the pitch speed.

I have it at 4 and the speed is fine on all the other views so I am thinking perhaps I have the camera to far zoomed in.

[Polo Bandit]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

Finally tried this out. My last game I struck out only 10 times and actually got a few walks in. Usually it's 15+ with no walks. Maybe I'll be able to enjoy the game now.

[suckEplayer]

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Can this be used online does anyone know???

[BlingBling19]

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Can this be used online does anyone know???

I don't think custom cameras can be used online. I might be wrong.

[lilbiggio]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

Anyway,here's a question, more for thought than for an unequivocal answer. But, here goes . . .

In this thread there are statements about how it made the lefty-lefty/righty-righty match ups more realistic and tougher for the batter. And, the greater the extent to which any of us exaggerate that inward offset (in some of my test views, I really did a big shift), then the same hand match ups become more challenging.

So, I am all for realism, and that's why we have different contact and power ratings for left versus right handed pitchers. But...to the extent that we create these views that replicate the difficulty of same-handed match ups, are we doubly penalizing ourselves?

That is to say, if we have actually made it more difficult to hit versus same handed pitchers, and the game already has reduced ratings for same handed matches, then aren't we being penalized in terms of both making it harder to execute against the match up, and then our ratings make a further (secondary) impact.

This is a good point. And probably why everyone has suddenly become better hitters because the angle giveth just as much it taketh. So yeah you may get double penalized but the way I look at it you will get double rewarded when you have the advantage.

With that said to me it plays better now at the plate because it's one thing to have a ratings disadvantage and just go by the game's judgement of what pitch you should or should not be able to hit.

It's a completely different thing though when you're at the plate facing a righty on righty matchup and you are literally up there fighting for your life. And then when you're opposite of the arm and feel like you have a lot more plate to work with.

At the end of the day it feels realistic now. I don't see how I could have played with it straight on after trying this out for just a weekend.


I have exaggerated this idea by spit and offset my camera a little more to make a drastic advantage/disadvantage. Strike zone radar touching the outside leg as the tracking point. This will show you what I'm seeing because there is a distinct difference now depending on the matchup:

Lincecum vs. Lefty


Lincecum vs. Righty

[Dogbarian]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

I haven't tried the offset yet, I'm using a straight on view that is built from Wide and then moved in to enlarge the strike zone. I'm doing pretty well with that, but at least one of my RTTS guys is a complete struggle, so I'm willing to experiment further. With my current view (and my bean bag chair), the top of the strike zone is at my eye level, so I'm doing much better at taking high pitches. The low pitches are kind of a problem, but since I end up grounding out a bunch, I'm getting to where I just take them anyway, even it's a strike.

My hesitation is because I don't understand how you folks are able to be successful at recognizing outside pitches with the offset view? Seems like you wouldn't be able to pick them up well at all.
Can anyone speak to that?

I have some extra vacation time coming up around both sides of the 4th, so maybe I can try it then. How long did it take for you to get used to it?

[Geronimo22]

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My hesitation is because I don't understand how you folks are able to be successful at recognizing outside pitches with the offset view? Seems like you wouldn't be able to pick them up well at all.
Can anyone speak to that?

I have some extra vacation time coming up around both sides of the 4th, so maybe I can try it then. How long did it take for you to get used to it?

I have the same question as dogbarian. Especially since statistically speaking, pitchers pitch to the outside more. That's why I prefer the offset to the outside.

[Geronimo22]

Re: A nice little adjustment: hitting camera offset to the inside...

I have exaggerated this idea by spit and offset my camera a little more to make a drastic advantage/disadvantage.

Good post lilbiggo. I agree with having a more exaggerated offset angle. It will help you view the change in pitch velocity better.