MLB 12 The Show Screenshots - Your New Default Camera View and Other Tidbits

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Screenshots - Your New Default Camera View and Other Tidbits

Correct me if I'm wrong, but great as this game is, if it didn't improve, would it be unjustifiable for me to not purchase the following year's iteration of the game, despite my love for the franchise? The reason I would purchase the next game is for the improvements. Some people just want new rosters, and if that's their improvement that justifies them spending $60 more, then that's great.

I think this could be a dilemma for the devs as well. One thing we should keep reminding ourselves is that the OS posters are likely from the hardcore end in terms of gamer's spectrum, so our feedback tends to cater toward the most devoted.

The devs, however, always need to think about the marketability/profitability to the mass market to which they are trying to sell the Show. Regardless of their ultimate goal (create the best baseball sim? most commercially successful baseball franchise regardless of realism?? keep betraying disgruntled OS members? revenge to Kolbe who left? we never know...), they *MUST* keep selling the copies and that's the bottom line. Otherwise the Show won't continue.

I bet most casual gamers wouldn't notice/care about the grass color, rain outs, etc. So they must spend time on potential marquee features, like Move/Vita and some of (not-so-apparent) core gameplay/franchise improvements get pushed down in their priorities.

Who can blame them? SCEA is a business, and they are not like open-source devs who are in it for pure enjoyment and/or altruism.

So if we think the best bet for the ultimate baseball gaming experience will keep coming from the Show, we should be patient and know that the devs have reasons to do things certain ways...

And I don't think there's anything wrong with skipping a year or two if you think you are not seeing the area of the game you are looking to improve hasn't changed a whole a lot...

[MetsFan16]

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I think this game looks absolutely beautiful. I think it looks so much better visually then last year which was somewhat bland. I definetly am a "hard core" gamer and I love having all of this information given to me without having to press buttons after every pitch to see where my pitchers energy is at or how my timing and contact was on my last swing. I remember last year, after every pitch I fell into the habit of pressing L3 to check out where the pitch was, my timing, and my contact. But now since that information will always be there I saved my thumb 1,000+ L3 presses(which can get somewhat annoying because your pressing down a stick.)
As for the score bug, I think it looks fresh. It doesn't take up the whole top like last years that had that black fade, that took away from the view of the stadium. Some people are complaining that it isn't NEW. Well when you have the option of Box or Line and 5 components to it(Teams, Inning, Count, Outs, Bases), there isn't much variation you can when it's the company's 7th time trying to make a unique one. If they changed it to a box like ESPN, Then where would they put it? Top Right, that would interfere with the 1st base runner's box. Top Left, that would interfere with the 3rd base runner's box. Bottom Right, that would interfere with the Swing and Pitch Info Box that I just mentioned. Bottom Left, that would interfere with the Pitcher's Energy, Confidence and Repetoire. Also if it was anywhere near the top, that would interfere with the view of the stadium. You would be blocked out of one section of the stadium all the time. The Bar is perfect. Its clean, fresh, bold, you have all the information you need. And you can still see the stadium.
The camera angle is perfect. This is very similar to my custom camera in MLB 11 The Show so I don't think I'll even need to touch the camera editor. It zooms out, to give you more time to recognize pitchers and be less intimiated by the pitcher being so close. You have a great view of the stadium and scoreboard for almost every stadium (You still can't see the scoreboard at Target Field).
I am one of the few people on this forum that actually like the New Default Camera, ScoreLine, and "Clutter" which is good "clutter."

[Heroesandvillains]

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Russell already said that they (SCEA) are not fans of rainouts or working weather for that matter. That is probably the most disappointing comment I have ever read. Basically that means to never look for it in their game as they have no interest in making it work for those who have asked for that important aspect of the game. I understand the arcade players don't want it but why not give them an option to turn it off?

He didn't say that exactly.

He implied that it wasn't tops on their list of priorities (while making a JOKE about hating rainouts in real life).

If I'm not mistaken, in the same thread, he mentioned that they haven't agreed upon a method to incorporate rainouts that made SENSE for the series. If done, it would have to be functional and enjoyable for the player (thus, a lot of brainstorming on a way to execute it, coding it in to the game itself and schedule, and so on). Considering where it falls on their priority list, I can't find any fault in the way he explained it in the post mentioned.

Guys, SCEA would give us the world if they could. But time and resources force them to have to set things aside or further down their list (especially one's such as this that would require a lot of work). Though we want rain delays, it wouldn't necessarily be "fun" for a lot of the casual gamers out there to have to restart a game after 4 innings. OS only represents a small portion of this series' consumer base.

I'll go out on a limb here and say we'll see it eventually. But it has to be done practically, and if done, it HAS to be done right. Ramone alluded to that while giving HIS opinion on it.

Re-read his post(s) on the subject and I'll think you'll see what I'm getting at.

[monk31]

Strike zone is still too tall. Also, the pitch location info on the bottom right-hand side shows the strike zone from batters box to batters box, lol!

[Blzer]

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I think this could be a dilemma for the devs as well. One thing we should keep reminding ourselves is that the OS posters are likely from the hardcore end in terms of gamer's spectrum, so our feedback tends to cater toward the most devoted.

The devs, however, always need to think about the marketability/profitability to the mass market to which they are trying to sell the Show. Regardless of their ultimate goal (create the best baseball sim? most commercially successful baseball franchise regardless of realism?? keep betraying disgruntled OS members? revenge to Kolbe who left? we never know...), they *MUST* keep selling the copies and that's the bottom line. Otherwise the Show won't continue.

I bet most casual gamers wouldn't notice/care about the grass color, rain outs, etc. So they must spend time on potential marquee features, like Move/Vita and some of (not-so-apparent) core gameplay/franchise improvements get pushed down in their priorities.

Who can blame them? SCEA is a business, and they are not like open-source devs who are in it for pure enjoyment and/or altruism.

So if we think the best bet for the ultimate baseball gaming experience will keep coming from the Show, we should be patient and know that the devs have reasons to do things certain ways...

And I don't think there's anything wrong with skipping a year or two if you think you are not seeing the area of the game you are looking to improve hasn't changed a whole a lot...

Exactly.

Best post of this whole thread, and it's completely off-topic from the OP.

[southoakland16]

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He didn't say that exactly.

He implied that it wasn't tops on their list of priorities (while making a JOKE about hating rainouts in real life).

I'll go out on a limb here and say we'll see it eventually. But it has to be done practically, and if done, it HAS to be done right. Ramone alluded to that while giving HIS opinion on it.

Re-read his post(s) on the subject and I'll think you'll see what I'm getting at.

That is what I am saying! That is what SCEA was saying prior to putting rain in the game. "It has to be done right, etc." Well it was NOT done right last year. So what are they talking about?

Plus I never said anything about RAIN DELAYS. I am talking about Rain outs. I am a pretty casual gamer and even I would enjoy a nice rain-out and having a double header. But no I guess the playstation move is so much fun. SMH.

[tree3five]

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Personally if I have a choice then I'd prefer to turn these things off, particularly the pitcher confidence/energy type of things because, I guess, I'm on a hardcore side and prefer to see these things in action on the field than quantified or visualized upfront, just like real life in which you cannot see pitcher confidence/fatigue in bars or numbers.

So in general I don't have a problem with people asking for that specific option, as a wishlist item... but...

Why are you complaining now? I've been rather meticulously following all the threads in the forum, and the devs and CD guys have given us so many opportunities to let us voice our concerns and wishes, and I bet they are reading every single word written in this forum.

And I don't really remember people saying that they want less info displayed in the screen in question when those feedback threads were up.

If you look at the screen, the amount of information hasn't actually changed much. Just about the only info added new are pitcher confidence and energy bars... the rest has always been in some way or another. It's really no more cluttered than it has been, at least for the past couple years.

I don't know why some guys are making it a big deal NOW... one of those days, the devs and CD guys will give us yet another opportunity to express our opinions. Why don't we just take advantage of the opportunity, rather than saying crap like "strike one... two... three and I will be skipping this year AGAIN...." In fact it's you who are undeserving of the game... no need for saying crap when the release is imminent, and when you had a plenty of opportunities for your voices to be heard.

every year around this time i have asked CD guys and Ramone if we have the option to turn off the "X" for normal swing and Square for power. its bothered me for years, we could always turn all the other "clutter" off juts not the "swing options". Last year thoigh the guess pitch display always stayed on too (even with the feature turned off). Its a very small gripe for me, just a little thing that would make me happy

[Pared]

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Can't help but read this thread and shake my head.

I think it's funny how people can get hung up on one thing and post about it incessantly as if the entire game's outcome is detrimental to this proposed change.

Tunnel vision. So sad.

Let's just completely overlook all the other things changed because what I want isn't in.

OS didn't used to be this way - and we were better off because of it.

[tnixen]

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Love the new runners window. Just hope we'll see one when there's a runner on second, not just first and third base.

What do you love about it compard to the one in MLB 11 The Show?

[Russell_SCEA]

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I agree...I mean things could be a ton worse if I were a sole 360 owner. (See what I did there) my big issue (not a game killer but rather an irk) is ramone said he did "focus groups" on mob the show the consensus stated that the show was too hard so that's why all the clutter and the hardcore group is just gonna have to deal with it...I mean he dismisses every.notion to just have the option to turn it off. Goodness sake, I mean there is a difficulty anyways for casual gamers. I just want the option to turn it off like I do the strike zone and its not that they can't its they won't or don't feel like it. It kinda feels like if I am not in the inner circle the heck with my voice.

The "focus groups" I'm referring to are the 5 different focus test we had in NYC, Chicago, LA, and two other cities with hundreds of people. Not the extremely small community day events we have twice a year in SD at the studio.

The information we get from them is a stark and I mean stark contrast to the opinions we get from OS. I won't get into it because I don't have that kind of time, but your mind would be blown if you ever sat in on one of these focus groups.


Two completely different demographics and one of the loudest gripes we heard was the game is to hard and I don't know what I'm doing. Putting the game on rookie isn't enough, it was enough for MLB 09, 10, or 11. So we made a conscious decision to try and give the end user as much information as possible to help them succeed at the game. Or at the very least understand why the aren't doing so well.


Now onto your notion that I singled you out and dismissed the request to have an option here's the deal. I told you the truth, we aren't going to change it this year, we aren't going to have it as an option for it this year. We are in the polish and bug fixing stage of development. Every year we cater to this crowd more than any other. Just look at the features that have been released already or the things we change each year based on the community days.

Every time we change or add something late in the cycle it affects multiple groups on our development team programmers, artists and producers are all affected with these 2am changes we make every year. 90% of the time everyone is happy to do them, but there is a limit. Whenever you change or add something into code bugs pop up and that list keeps growing and growing. So at some point we have to close the doors on additions and work on getting everything else working properly.

We constantly add or change things based on what people want from this site. I assumed most would understand that we can't say yes to every request. We are always willing to change things and make concessions when we can, however we are not burger king.

[Pared]

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Damn it - we just considered renaming this forum Burger King 12: The Show too.

[Russell_SCEA]

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Ok, I what I am trying to say is people that are "suggesting" ideas that could potentially improve The Show year in and year out, will get bashed by people who say "The Show is most realistic franchise ever, blah blah blah." While that is true, there are things that truly need to be implemented or improved upon to better the game.
I know I am somewhat repeating myself, but I am waiting for an answer... Why has the presentation for the divisional and World series been the same for years? That is something that can not be to hard to change and add a little flavor... yet never gets touched.

We have two Community Events and post feedback threads here and at the shownation every year. If you have ideas, changes, additions, etc...... There are plenty of avenues for you to have your voice heard and heard it is every year. Of course we can't say yes to every request and sometimes we just flat out disagree. Some times we just can't do it. However most of the time we change it if someone makes a good point or they are right.

Anyway where in any article does it say that MLB 12 has the same presentation for playoffs as previous years?

Also, about the weather. I remember a quote from Ramone talking about how "they only implement something until they can do it right." Well as we all know, WEATHER was not implemented correctly. Since, rain was rarely seen throughout the game. My point is, I found nothing wrong with MVP and how they implemented RAIN OUTS and DOUBLE HEADERS. Is SCEA trying to come up with a secret formula to implement it? I mean dont get me wrong I'm sure it is not easy... but World Series Presentation and Rain outs and Doubleheaders would not take the whole development time.

Rain not being seen enough was a bug.

I've said this time and time again MVP, Madden, or Skyrim, Resident Evil etc............... Just because it was in another game doesn't mean it's going to be in this one, or that it's easy to do. It took us 5 years to get the glove to close man, 5 years dude to close the glove. You (and I mean everyone) have no idea how hard even the simplest tasks can be.

Now rain outs and double headers, I've said this in another thread. We aren't that crazy about them in a video game. Cost vs. benefit analysis of development time and resources just doesn't add up. So we aren't going to do it. Unless one of our designers comes up with a compelling and innovative way to do it. Until then rain outs and double headers aren't happening.

[econoodle]

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The "focus groups" I'm referring to are the 5 different focus test we had in NYC, Chicago, LA, and two other cities with hundreds of people. Not the extremely small community day events we have twice a year in SD at the studio.

The information we get from them is a stark and I mean stark contrast to the opinions we get from OS. I won't get into it because I don't have that kind of time, but your mind would be blown if you ever sat in on one of these focus groups.


Two completely different demographics and one of the loudest gripes we heard was the game is to hard and I don't know what I'm doing. Putting the game on rookie isn't enough, it was enough for MLB 09, 10, or 11. So we made a conscious decision to try and give the end user as much information as possible to help them succeed at the game. Or at the very least understand why the aren't doing so well.


Now onto your notion that I singled you out and dismissed the request to have an option here's the deal. I told you the truth, we aren't going to change it this year, we aren't going to have it as an option for it this year. We are in the polish and bug fixing stage of development. Every year we cater to this crowd more than any other. Just look at the features that have been released already or the things we change each year based on the community days.

Every time we change or add something late in the cycle it affects multiple groups on our development team programmers, artists and producers are all affected with these 2am changes we make every year. 90% of the time everyone is happy to do them, but there is a limit. Whenever you change or add something into code bugs pop up and that list keeps growing and growing. So at some point we have to close the doors on additions and work on getting everything else working properly.

We constantly add or change things based on what people want from this site. I assumed most would understand that we can't say yes to every request. We are always willing to change things and make concessions when we can, however we are not burger king.

agreed.
when i lived in LA i did a few focus groups for products.
eek. lol

its like the soccer mom trying out cal of duty and saying its too violent.
really moms?

but yea, big disparity between folks.


but make sure to not put too much stock in certain opinions.
focus groups HATED seinfeld, i mean HATEd it.

look how that turned out.
thank god they didnt listen and just used their own judgement.

with that bein said, there r things to take from those things when u r trying to reach a larger broader base audience.

Sony does a good job of juggling the two, for the most part.
You have the hardcore baseball heads working on the game who want things like playable Single A rosters & choice of name brand cleats, battling out for feature/idea development time with the suits who want to make sure Mom on Mulberry Lane can get into a quick 9 inning game without throwing the controller down in frustration after 3 pitches..

To sony, those voices all get the same ear.

[Splitter77]

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i know there was talk of this possibly getting back into the game this year...but when playing from the behind the picther camera, does the camera still cut away to fielding view as soon as contact is made with the bat?? Or is there a split second where we can see the flight of the ball off the bat??
thanks for the response.
Cant wait to play this game on my new plasma.

[Russell_SCEA]

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agreed.
when i lived in LA i did a few focus groups for products.
eek. lol

its like the soccer mom trying out cal of duty and saying its too violent.
really moms?

but yea, big disparity between folks.


but make sure to not put too much stock in certain opinions.
focus groups HATED seinfeld, i mean HATEd it.

look how that turned out.
thank god they didnt listen and just used their own judgement.

with that bein said, there r things to take from those things when u r trying to reach a larger broader base audience.

Sony does a good job of juggling the two, for the most part.
You have the hardcore baseball heads working on the game who want things like playable Single A rosters & choice of name brand cleats, battling out for feature/idea development time with the suits who want to make sure Mom on Mulberry Lane can get into a quick 9 inning game without throwing the controller down in frustration after 3 pitches..

To sony, those voices all get the same ear.

If I could tell you the reason why you don't see name brand cleats in the game you Q$%^#%^%$&. That's all I can really say about it.