MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

[stealyerface]

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Back to the video...

Is the sneak preview something that we did NOT see versus something that we did?

~syf

[Blzer]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Back to the video...

Is the sneak preview something that we did NOT see versus something that we did?

~syf

I tried looking at it that way. According to nemesis, it is something that we see, but it's not a conclusion you can draw based on exactly what you're seeing, if that makes sense. In other words, if you see the ball hit the bag there at Fenway, what wasn't mentioned was how the announcers might actually now be calling specific surfaces that the ball hits off of (lip of the grass, in the upper deck, right on the chalk line), etc. So, it's a conclusion that has to be drawn based on what was seen.

The argument of authenticity comes into greater fuzziness when, upon the realease of the 2009 version of this game, someone's first entry in the "Glitches, Issues and Problems" thread was not the fact that the baserunners morphed magically through the firstbaseman on a close play at first, not the fact that outfielders could still run through each other, and not the fact that the baserunning had issues, but instead, the fact that a piece of wall in the outfield stuck out a foot too far, and should not be considered a homerun if the ball was hit off of it...

This is where we are coming to? We are more interested in the colors of wall padding, whether Kentucky Bluegrass is really the right shade of green in an early Springtime game, and why the chalk lines look nice and fresh again in the 4th inning...

That really is more important than core gameplay issues?

I think not.

~syf

Once again, it depends on your definition of gameplay (and your definition of authenticity, for that matter).

Secondly, I never said what is more important, I only said how I prioritize what drives me to buy a game. In other words, I never said that I will buy a game simply because it has great authenticity, but I will not buy a game if it doesn't have great authenticity. For example, I don't love every car in the world with manual transmission, but that's the only place I'm looking in the car department; I will not buy an automatic for myself, plain and simple, no matter how good the car is.

Again, depends on your definitions of the terms anyway. Some elements which you consider to be in the gameplay department, I consider to be in the authenticity department. I'm not arguing here, I'm correcting how my words are being twisted.

[stealyerface]

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I gotcha... I know that from the beginning of time (when we first met in here in 2004!) that you have always been on the side of the aesthetics versus substance. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and again, it is what makes the world go around.

I am of the ilk that a team of developers has some explaining to do when they concentrate on the color of the light bulbs in the light up mascot on the outfield wall, while still having players run through one another... 13 years after another baseball game had this issue taken care of...

To me, a blue outfield wall pad is a blue pad. Is it azure? Is it medium blue? Is the the EXACT same color that it is a 5pm in the stadium? I guess that is important to some folks, but is it a higher priority than Jeter batting ninth on the lineup card because "we don't program the players by their names, they are programmed based on stats"?

I say no. You might say yes, but in the end, if we both get our way, we are both happy.

No complaints here from what I have heard of this year's updates. I am quite excited to see the new physics, and see what they did with collisions in the field.
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No, back to the video... I have asked for many years to have a toggleable option for what I refer to as a "Clean Screen". If we are really going with a Tru-Broadcast simulation, do I really have to see what the opposing computer pitcher's repertoire is cluttering up my screen? No. When I do some pregame scouting, I guess I know Pitcher X has a fastball, slider and a change, so looking at his pitch selection buttons for nine innings makes no sense to me.

Is it possible that during the live game shots we saw in the video, that we saw a glimpse of a clean screen in the shot?

~syf

[Cavicchi]

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I agree seeing the computer's pitch selection is not all that important, but throw in the pitch speeds and I'm very interested.

[Blzer]

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I gotcha... I know that from the beginning of time (when we first met in here in 2004!) that you have always been on the side of the aesthetics versus substance. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and again, it is what makes the world go around.

I am of the ilk that a team of developers has some explaining to do when they concentrate on the color of the light bulbs in the light up mascot on the outfield wall, while still having players run through one another... 13 years after another baseball game had this issue taken care of...

To me, a blue outfield wall pad is a blue pad. Is it azure? Is it medium blue? Is the the EXACT same color that it is a 5pm in the stadium? I guess that is important to some folks, but is it a higher priority than Jeter batting ninth on the lineup card because "we don't program the players by their names, they are programmed based on stats"?

I say no. You might say yes, but in the end, if we both get our way, we are both happy.

No complaints here from what I have heard of this year's updates. I am quite excited to see the new physics, and see what they did with collisions in the field.

Sorry, I don't mean to keep going off-topic, but I don't want this discussion to end without my point being clear.

"Authenticity" does not solely refer to aesthetics. As I said, it refers to replicating Major League Baseball. That means that, if Jeter is batting 9th, then it is not authentic.

For me, "gameplay" is a general term that goes widespread for every game. When something doesn't work as it's supposed to (not in expectation, but in execution), then there is a gameplay fault. If you have an incorrect home run line, that's an authenticity issue; if you have a ball go over that home run line and not be called a home run, that's a gameplay issue. If you can't tweak sliders to get realistic stats, that's also an authenticity issue; if changing the sliders doesn't affect what you are tuning, that's a gameplay issue (in other words, increasing the pitch speed slider doesn't, for some reason, increase the pitch speed).

Of course, these are my definitions. I just want to make sure that they're understood. And as I said, a game still needs to have good gameplay... but for me to buy it, it needs to be authentic to its intended source, and I need to enjoy that source enough.

No, back to the video... I have asked for many years to have a toggleable option for what I refer to as a "Clean Screen". If we are really going with a Tru-Broadcast simulation, do I really have to see what the opposing computer pitcher's repertoire is cluttering up my screen? No. When I do some pregame scouting, I guess I know Pitcher X has a fastball, slider and a change, so looking at his pitch selection buttons for nine innings makes no sense to me.

Is it possible that during the live game shots we saw in the video, that we saw a glimpse of a clean screen in the shot?

~syf

To be honest, I was looking for that as well. Unfortunately, we didn't see anything pre-pitch to be able to indicate something like that. Even if we did, one might be able to assume (unless you see a pitching meter as well) that it was a CPU vs. CPU game, which turns off those visuals. Anyway, if this is not patchable, I'm definitely banking on this happening for 13.

For now, I'll be set on my guess of premium themes and avatars (with those six or seven players mentioned) being available around release.

[econoodle]

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SCEA should put in a TRUE tru broadcast presentation option.
Meaning, if u pick that as an option, by default all those pre play and post play guides will be off unless a button is pressed.
now thats TBP

[CMH]

SCEA should put in a TRUE tru broadcast presentation option.
Meaning, if u pick that as an option, by default all those pre play and post play guides will be off unless a button is pressed.
now thats TBP

They said something about running focus tests and people overwhelmingly wanted on screen guides.

I get it but I still think an option to remove them would be nice for those that want it removed.


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[TheHammer19]

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I still don't know what the "surprise" is that nemisis was talking about...

[Qb]

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I want it looked at too. I wouldn't have spent a few hours going over some key guys like Phillips and Tex(iera) (from both sides of the plate).

Wait a minute, I thought switch-hitters had the same stance/swing from both sides of the plate...

[Pared]

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I'm referring to follow throughs... Players have different ones because they cross the plate when batting right and don't when left.

[LastActionHero]

The CD guys are always 2 steps ahead

[Pared]

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Having direct access to those who make the game help - that's for sure.

But for the most part, the group brought in is extremely knowledgeable about the game BEFORE they are given direct access; It's impressive to be around.

[Blzer]

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Wait a minute, I thought switch-hitters had the same stance/swing from both sides of the plate...

I'm a switch-hitter, and this statement certainly does not apply to me.

[Knight165]

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I'm a switch-hitter, and this statement certainly does not apply to me.

Always thought there was a little somethin' off about you Blzer.
(not that there is anything wrong with that)

M.K.
Knight165

[Blzer]

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Always thought there was a little somethin' off about you Blzer.
(not that there is anything wrong with that)

M.K.
Knight165

LOL well Chipper Jones has two different stances as well. They are similar (and yes, mine is similar as well), but he doesn't try to replicate it on both sides. Same with Jarrod Saltalamacchia.

Basically, with the simple fact that I can't rotate my wrists counter-clockwise (looking from the knob of the bat), it automatically forces me to not have the same stance (because that would change my load, which would then change my swing). I just do what's comfortable for both sides for me. There's a standard idea behind both of them that are the same, but different rhythms and such. It helps me differentiate both sides of the plate, which helps me be more successful in the end. I think Nick Swisher talks about separating his approaches from both sides of the plate as well (helps him identify his strengths/weaknesses), though his stance is pretty similar from both sides.

Just sayin' all switch-hitters are a little off.