Harsh review from Games Radar

[Skyboxer]

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I think he meant "shallow" in terms of how it's controlled (i.e. you simply just aim and then time a button press). So, purely in terms of mechanics, he (and the reviewer) is right...it's shallow.

Personally, I include functionality (how well it achieves what it's intended), implementation (how well it works in the framework of the game), and results when evaluating controls. Pulse Pitching wins big in all those areas IMO.

As for the review...very shallow and sloppy IMO. I don't really expect much depth for sports game reviews though. A lot of them suck (good, bad or otherwise).

Totally disagree. Apart from throwing a real baseball at the tv what do people expect? The pulse is a nice pitching system and its more than just aim and hit a button, by far. The pulse changes it rate of pulsing depending on confidence , type of pitch and pitcher ratings. Its far from shallow and more a 'better' classic pitching. The mechanics alone i guess could be called shallow but looking at the whole system its far from it.

In any case it is what it is and I'm done with this one. To each their own. Just wish people would take pride in their work and know what they are talking about (like maybe play and learn the game they want to give input on)
Got to get some sleep as things are annoying me more than usual lol
and I'll let this one just hopefully die like it should.

[Vashyron.]

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Not mentioning the MAIN thing that improves the game is a big ommision. You say pulse is shallow(which everyone so far that has used it could not disagree more) then turn around and say it's what classic should have been long ago...
Which is it?

Yes Online has been lackluster but it's laughable to discredit the advancements (Really? It's ok to leave out the main improvement and "do a good job" ha..ok) and base all arguements on online.

I said she did a good job outside of mentioning the physics. That might not even be her fault either, as a reviewer you don't get to pick what games you review. If you go to a site, you'll most undoubtedly see different reviewers reviewing different games of the same series. In reality though it's been a long time coming for this series to finally focus on physics. Baseball is so much about physics and they are just now starting to prioritize physics in the NINTH GAME OF THE SERIES.

People are liking pulse pitching. Yes, that is true. But whether you like it or even I like it doesn't change the fact that it is a shallow mechanic with much less user interaction and complexity compared to analog pitching and 2k's analog pitching as well. That is just a fact. I heard nothing about what improvements (if any) were made to analog pitching.

LOL.

Must be some kind of record. A good sized post dismissed after the opening sentence.

Everyone has an opinion man, but COME ON.

You can build a team of Adam Dunns, Alfonso Sorianos, and Russell Branyons (high power, low contact) in any game before MLB 11, and they would hit for a higher average than a team of Placido Polancos, Jamey Carrolls, and Juan Pierres (high contact, low power). That is just wrong and that is not baseball. I've always wanted to build a team of contact hitters but due to The Show's broken hitting system I could not until 11 where a contact hitter's PCI is actually bigger than power hitting strikeout machine. Doesn't that make perfect logical sense to have hitters that are better at making contact have a bigger PCI? Well, that didn't happen until last year. And the power swing was pretty much no risk all reward until last year when the PCI size was smaller on the power swing.

[Vashyron.]

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Totally disagree. Apart from throwing a real baseball at the tv what do people expect? The pulse is a nice pitching system and its more than just aim and hit a button, by far. The pulse changes it rate of pulsing depending on confidence , type of pitch and pitcher ratings. Its far from shallow and more a 'better' classic pitching. The mechanics alone i guess could be called shallow but looking at the whole system its far from it.

Analog pitching is much more like recreating actually pitching than pulse pitching. I'll be very disappointed if they didn't improve analog pitching due to them adding in pulse pitching as analog pitching needs a lot of tweaks. Pulse pitching is just a "better" classic pitching as what you said, and it is what classic should've been for quite a while.

[destructocid]

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No big deal, that website just loses credibility in my opinion.

[ryan36]

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Leave the comparisons out of this forum, please. use the baseball other forum

[SoxFan01605]

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Totally disagree. Apart from throwing a real baseball at the tv what do people expect? The pulse is a nice pitching system and its more than just aim and hit a button, by far. The pulse changes it rate of pulsing depending on confidence , type of pitch and pitcher ratings. Its far from shallow and more a 'better' classic pitching. The mechanics alone i guess could be called shallow but looking at the whole system its far from it.

lol...you "totally disagree" but we are essentially saying the same thing. Here's what I said:

So, purely in terms of mechanics, he (and the reviewer) is right...it's shallow.

Personally, I include functionality (how well it achieves what it's intended), implementation (how well it works in the framework of the game), and results when evaluating controls. Pulse Pitching wins big in all those areas IMO.

As I said, we don't disagree. To further clarify, I agree 100% that pulse pitching is so much more than the simplicity of its controls.

[abjsuperstar]

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HA anybody who plays this game could give a better review then her.. laughable , if the show gets a 7 2k better get like a 4.

[rodperezto]

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I said she did a good job outside of mentioning the physics. That might not even be her fault either, as a reviewer you don't get to pick what games you review. If you go to a site, you'll most undoubtedly see different reviewers reviewing different games of the same series. In reality though it's been a long time coming for this series to finally focus on physics. Baseball is so much about physics and they are just now starting to prioritize physics in the NINTH GAME OF THE SERIES.

People are liking pulse pitching. Yes, that is true. But whether you like it or even I like it doesn't change the fact that it is a shallow mechanic with much less user interaction and complexity compared to analog pitching and 2k's analog pitching as well. That is just a fact. I heard nothing about what improvements (if any) were made to analog pitching.

I know where you're coming from when you say pitching hasn't received a major overhaul. I am not that much of a fan of pulse pitching myself (yet, maybe?) as I find it distracting and not as hard as many people do, thus not getting more balls or walks than with analog for instance.

However, you mention 2K's interactive controls for pitching but it really can't get more interactive than mimicking your pitcher's windup and timing your release while your arm makes a throwing motion. that was included this year and, in my opinion, it's been done very well. Whether you will use it or not, it's there and it is very interactive and if you have the patience to learn and the time to play it, it's lots of fun!

[CMH]

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Ball+Bat=Results..

If it played any amount of the game last year EVEN 1 inning then popped in 12 you could see the difference right away.

I get it, but once again, that's not something she likely cares about at all. She obviously doesn't because she didn't mention it.

She either doesn't know or understand that aspect of the game or doesn't care for it.

I can understand the frustration with that when reading the review. I don't understand the frustration with the rest.

It's just one review, but I think ignoring her words as if a number of people won't feel the same way is unfair. I also grow concerned that anyone sharing her thoughts is going to receive similar treatment on these boards and that won't be fair. Obviously many love the game and I'm looking forward to playing it later today.


edit: I intended to edit this next part out because I didn't want to make it about that, but I was already quoted so might as well drop it back in.

Honestly, most of the comments in this thread sound like people just upset that someone doesn't like the game they like.

[Vashyron.]

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However, you mention 2K's interactive controls for pitching but it really can't get more interactive than mimicking your pitcher's windup and timing your release while your arm makes a throwing motion. that was included this year and, in my opinion, it's been done very well. Whether you will use it or not, it's there and it is very interactive and if you have the patience to learn and the time to play it, it's lots of fun!

I'm not a fan of 2K's game, I do like the pitching a decent amount but loathe the hitting. I was just saying 2K's analog pitching is more interactive and complex than pulse pitching, that was all. You can use the Move controller when pitching? I just assumed Move controls were for hitting. I don't have the Move, and I really loved analog pitching last year even with it's flaws, I just hope they improved analog pitching.

Honestly, most of the comments in this thread sound like people just upset that someone doesn't like the game they like.

This.

People don't get that reviewers 99% of time aren't hardcore fans of the game or the series they are reviewing. They aren't going to notice every little thing and there's nothing wrong with that. Plus a 7/10 is a good score, a 5 is average. She also brought up several good points in the review like the horrible online play this series has been known for. So what if she had trouble hitting with the new zone analog hitting, she's not a hardcore baseball gamer. I'd imagine it would be tough for any new player, I for one am going to have to retrain my brain a bit to get used to using the stick to swing instead of pressing a button. Also, I would not give any game in this series before MLB 11 anything higher than a 5, the 1st good baseball game of this series was MLB 11, which I would give an 8/10. MLB 11 was a huge step up in this series that fixed so many broken gameplay mechanics, it was the 1st good baseball game since the last High Heat.

[Blitzburgh]

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I actually agreed with everything she said! lol Seriously, this game looks amazing and animates really well. The new ball physics are also a thing a beauty but that's really it for "me".

The actual playing of the game hasn't changed and isn't very "fun". I do not like ay of the pitching mechanics much at all and the take control over me fielding too much. Hitting is decent if I slow the ball way down so that I can judge pitches better. Also, the commentary just ruins the experience for me (not as bad as Madden) but boring nonetheless. I don't like that if i want to play a season I have to play a full franchise 164 games or whatever amount it is. MANY people have asked for this to change and give us the option to make it less. NOPE! Russells response of arrogance was "Not this year and Not next year either!" That was a classic response to me. I thought they listen to the fans?

I played this game a few times at best buy and I really want to buy it based on how it looks and animates but after playing it I walk away feeling frustrated just like last years ( the first year I didn't buy it). Why, because it just wasn't fun! I think the casual fans of The Show would agree with these aspects unless they like the pitching mechanics and commentary that is. Otherwise the game is like dating a hot girl that never wants to go out or do anything.

[BSUFAN]

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I actually agreed with everything she said! lol Seriously, this game looks amazing and animates really well. The new ball physics are also a thing a beauty but that's really it for "me".

The actual playing of the game hasn't changed and isn't very "fun". I do not like ay of the pitching mechanics much at all and the take control over me fielding too much. Hitting is decent if I slow the ball way down so that I can judge pitches better. Also, the commentary just ruins the experience for me (not as bad as Madden) but boring nonetheless. I don't like that if i want to play a season I have to play a full franchise 164 games or whatever amount it is. MANY people have asked for this to change and give us the option to make it less. NOPE! Russells response of arrogance was "Not this year and Not next year either!" That was a classic response to me. I thought they listen to the fans?

I played this game a few times at best buy and I really want to buy it based on how it looks and animates but after playing it I walk away feeling frustrated just like last years ( the first year I didn't buy it). Why, because it just wasn't fun! I think the casual fans of The Show would agree with these aspects unless they like the pitching mechanics and commentary that is. Otherwise the game is like dating a hot girl that never wants to go out or do anything.

But it's a hot girl so who cares if you don"t go out or do anything!

[nomo17k]

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she knew enough about the franchise additions and the franchise shortcomings, she knew the complaints about pure analog and how zone plus analog tried to fix them. the espn article has a great quote from umm his buddy about ball physics but honestly most of what he wrote about could be found in the Fact Sheet

like i said, i'm merely comparing reviews and the reactions to them

These days, with the web it's so easy to gather such information like what general issues a certain product has had, what customers feel, etc.

Reading the article (and her tweets around the time she presumably wrote her review), I got a feeling that she just searched through the web, looking for articles on the Show, and copied and pasted what *we* have been saying. If I have to bet, it's on the side that she hasn't played a franchise mode at all.

It's so easy to pretend and write as if you know something these days. I used to grade essays and whatnot, and it's pretty depressing how many students do that these days. Fast food writing, I'd say.

[CMH]

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MANY people have asked for this to change and give us the option to make it less. NOPE! Russells response of arrogance was "Not this year and Not next year either!" That was a classic response to me. I thought they listen to the fans?

Well, he responded so he was obviously listening.

I don't think he was being arrogant. He was making a point blank statement and being truthful. Sometimes being blunt smarts a bit, but Russell isn't going to beat around the bush when it comes to something that many people have asked about here.

They aren't going to shorten the season. What else could he say but it's not happening this year or next? It's not going to happen. SCEA made that decision.

These days, with the web it's so easy to gather such information like what general issues a certain product has had, what customers feel, etc.

Reading the article (and her tweets around the time she presumably wrote her review), I got a feeling that she just searched through the web, looking for articles on the Show, and copied and pasted what *we* have been saying. If I have to bet, it's on the side that she hasn't played a franchise mode at all.

It's so easy to pretend and write as if you know something these days. I used to grade essays and whatnot, and it's pretty depressing how many students do that these days. Fast food writing, I'd say.

I think she knows what people are talking about and made sure to highlight those points. That's my thinking, at least.

Many people have been positive about the game, so I'm confused as to where she'd be able to copy and paste the complaints?

[PaulieMM]

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I agree with the entire review.