Trade Logic in The Show 12?

[Kalkano]

Re: Trade Logic in The Show 12?

I don't see any problem with playerd being shopped or even certain players being traded as long as the logic makes sense. I am sure the Rockies would love to unload Heltons deal.

We mentioned a NTC that we would be able to edit in to prevent certain trades while at CD.

They wouldn't be unloading much. His initial huge contract is over (some was postponed to future installments). I believe he's only making about 3 mil this year, to hit 5th/6th, with a batting average around .300, and gold glove defense.

[chiliad]

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I'd say the trade logic is slightly improved over last year, but it's still nowhere near realistic across the board. Here are a couple examples of trades I saw when I simmed a season that had me scratching my head:

-Phillies traded Ryan Howard and Dominic Brown to the White Sox for Paul Konerko.

-Braves trade Jason Heyward and two prospects to the Dodgers for Andre Ethier.

I think the logic could improve just by having realistic contracts. I've yet to hear a good reason for why they can't have accurate contract numbers, but even if they were just scaled correctly it might improve the trade logic.

For example, Alfonso Soriano, who might have the worst contract in the majors in real life, makes like 2.4 million a year in the Show. Makes him very easy to trade.

I'll definitely be controlling every team again this year.

[Armor and Sword]

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Considering im more of a management guy rather then actual gameplay, if what ur saying is true, this game would not be as fun for me....I read the previews for The Show and it was stated that the trade logic would be improved this year...i guess i'll find out sooner or later how wonky it really is....After what we had to go thru as far as the Madden trading of draft-picks logic goes, i was hoping, the trade logic on The Show would be improved by leaps and bounds as i don't have the time to be controlling all the teams

OTTP is your wheelhouse then. Insane front office sim from everything I have ever seen and read.

[Knight165]

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Alternatively, implementing 10/5 rights (players are allowed to veto trades after 10 years of MLB service and 5 years with the same team) and no-trade clauses (with logic so low rated players don't get them) would go a long way toward making trades realisitic without the need for making hidden emotional characteristics of future prospects to make them "team icons."

This would make a huge difference.
Being able to hand out no-trade clauses....and limited trade clauses(editable by you, but ultimately being assigned by the CPU as well) would help make a more realistic franchise in terms of trades.

tabarnes has noted that pitchers in general get way too much value...and especially RP. This may be something amiss in the code...who knows. Hopefully they take a look and might be able to tweak it.
RP have always had too much value IMO....really ...they are a dime a dozen except for the "elite" guys, which are few and far between.

M.K.
Knight165

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OTTP is your wheelhouse then. Insane sim from everything I have every seen and read.

i'm not familiar with OTTP...can u briefly explain what it's all about?

[Braves Fan]

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On the block doesn't mean traded, though. If they were actually traded and it was a dumb trade, sure. But I see nothing wrong with a player being shopped. Sure, it could still be looked at, but I don't see anything seriously wrong until players get moved in dumb trades as others have pointed out great examples.

Then again, I remember MVP having it's quirks and I survived. As soon as you start a franchise, you are deviating from real life. Everybody's jaw drops when so-and-so gets traded and you go "That does not happen in real life!" but you are now playing in an alternate reality. An alternate reality that may still need work, but alternate nonetheless.

Example, Chipper Jones no longer in a Braves uniform seems possible to me even if you think it is impossible. I mean, how many thought a couple years ago that Peyton Manning would no longer be a Colt?

Love this post! I mean if that happened on Madden people would freak out. How could the CPU release Peyton? That's not realistic! I can just hear it now.

In baseball there is a lot of player movement from year to year. Trading is a big part of baseball as is free agent movement in the offseason.

I can live with player movement, I'm not gonna stress out over players getting traded. I just want the moves to make sense, that's really all I ask. It doesn't even have to something that would happen in real life, as long as I can see the logic behind the move I'm ok with it.

As you said, this is my franchise. I'm gonna make moves, I'm not gonna go with the same roster as my Major League counterpart. I'll make questionable moves along the way I'm sure, I'll make some mistakes. If the CPU makes a mistake I can live with it I think.

I'm just gonna play my franchise and not worry about it so much. Hopefully the logic has improved. I know in my franchise I released Uggla and Chipper and gave them realistic contracts so that limits what I can do financially.

[nonnel]

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i'm not familiar with OTTP...can u briefly explain what it's all about?

OOTP is a great baseball text sim for the PC. Highly recommend it if you're into managing baseball. Just google OOTP and read up.

[nonnel]

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Very disappointed with the "trade logic" this year. You can literally trade for ANY top "A potential" prospect by offering pretty much any garbage D potential player. Not sure how this bug slips by them. It's bizarre.

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OOTP is a great baseball text sim for the PC. Highly recommend it if you're into managing baseball. Just google OOTP and read up.

Will do...thanx for the *brief* summary lol

[ARoid1313]

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I don't see any problem with playerd being shopped or even certain players being traded as long as the logic makes sense. I am sure the Rockies would love to unload Heltons deal.

We mentioned a NTC that we would be able to edit in to prevent certain trades while at CD.

hey have u noticed a change in logic by adding larger contracts for certain player like u have done?

[heater41]

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OK so in my sim Marlins I do this trade:

Mariano, Kuroda, A-Rod
for Bell and 2 roster fillers

Wish I had the SHOW contracts for these players on hand but I'm at work. take a look at this a bit closer. Bell has a multi year deal. Mariano may retire at the end of the 2012 season so Miami only gets him down the stretch and fills in for Bell. Kuroda has a 1 year deal and if the Yankees were out of it you could say payroll cut for the end of the season. Arod is WAY OVERPRICED for what he does and his contract length is enormous. You'd have to give little to get him because the Yankees WANT to clear that salary. Also curious as to the progressive rating as to whether they were "A", "B", etc and what type of prospect they are.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

hey have u noticed a change in logic by adding larger contracts for certain player like u have done?

Actually yes. At the CD we saw that Howard trade almost all the time. When I raised Howard's contract I didn't see it.

I think in theory they have the right idea but don't really consider what they are giving up. What I mean by that is teams going for it will trade for a vet even though they give up a comparable younger player. I have seen the blue jays going for it give up rasmus and an A prospect for Pierre.

The RP thing has a lot to do with team wants. They give up way too much to fill the need. I have offered the worst pitcher in the yanks system and was able to get worley Pierre and someone else. I think it has to be a bug.



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[mehlan05]

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So I'm doing a Cubs franchise just for fun until the OS rosters and a possible opening day patch drops and I decided to try to trade Travis Wood for Roy Halladay. They accepted it and I'm not using the force trade option or anything like that. Not sure if this is a glitch or not but I'm not complaining either! haha

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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Wish I had the SHOW contracts for these players on hand but I'm at work. take a look at this a bit closer. Bell has a multi year deal. Mariano may retire at the end of the 2012 season so Miami only gets him down the stretch and fills in for Bell. Kuroda has a 1 year deal and if the Yankees were out of it you could say payroll cut for the end of the season. Arod is WAY OVERPRICED for what he does and his contract length is enormous. You'd have to give little to get him because the Yankees WANT to clear that salary. Also curious as to the progressive rating as to whether they were "A", "B", etc and what type of prospect they are.

Actually in the game he's not. His salary is not bad. When I changed his salary I don't see him traded. What were the roster fillers? What was each teams strategy?

[Cozar]

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Wish I had the SHOW contracts for these players on hand but I'm at work. take a look at this a bit closer. Bell has a multi year deal. Mariano may retire at the end of the 2012 season so Miami only gets him down the stretch and fills in for Bell. Kuroda has a 1 year deal and if the Yankees were out of it you could say payroll cut for the end of the season. Arod is WAY OVERPRICED for what he does and his contract length is enormous. You'd have to give little to get him because the Yankees WANT to clear that salary. Also curious as to the progressive rating as to whether they were "A", "B", etc and what type of prospect they are.

Your A-rod example is a perfect illustraion of why we need NTC and 10/5 rights.

Yes, if the Yanks had a prospective major-league ready 3B (or could sign a cheaper one) they would trade a possibly-decling and not-nearly-as-popular-as-Jeter A-Rod. In real life, however, A-Rod gets to say no to any trade, which is the real reason he will never be traded.

You would need to find a contender in need of a 3B with the salary room to pay him that plays in a location where A-Rod would like to live.

Same with Chipper Jones, Derek Jeter, and Mariano Rivera. Even if the Braves/Yankees wanted to trade them, it's not going to happen.