Trade Logic in The Show 12?

[Heroesandvillains]

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Playing as the Red Sox in the AL......My Franchise is a bit of a bummer, because all the teams I'm chasing have gone bonkers trading.
Some examples - Ethier to the Yankees. David Wright and Michael Bourn on the Angels. Hardy and Morneau to the Tigers. Ichiro and Matt Holliday to the Rangers. It's been pretty ridiculous.

Who were they traded for? What were the standings? Do any of those players have years remaining on their contracts?

My best guess is: 1. Prospects. 2. The sending teams were out of it. 3. They are all in their final years. Sounds fine to me.

Why do people get so hung up on names? The game doesn't recognize names.

Though maybe the worst was Arizona, who moved an A prospect for Morneau. Only to then trade Morneau to Texas for Moreland and a B prospect.

Three team deal:

ARI recieves: Moreland and a B prospect
TEX recieves: Morneau (upgrade over Moreland, ratings wise)
MIN recieves: A prospect

Win. Win. Win (depending on standings).

Then I just saw (2 days until the trading deadline) Arizona traded Paul Goldschmidt and some others to pick up Lance Berkman.

If you consider the previous trade a 3 team deal, then what's the problem? Granted, this is a bit of a head scratcher; considering they traded Morneau, but if you use a bit of imagination, why is the end result an issue (assuming Moreland AND Berkman are playing the field somewhere almost everyday and not platooning 1B).

If the game used actual contracts maybe this would be less of an issue. Teams are not committed to as much money as they should be, and some of these contracts are easier to move because of it.
And one of my biggest gripes (and I realize this probably would not be easy to program) is that even when some of the trades make sense value wise they don't seem to take performance into account at all.
For instance - The Rangers trading for Hardy. The deal itself was not "bad" value wise.....But at the time Peralta was hitting over .300 and had more Hr's and rbi's than Hardy, so it made little sense to trade for another shortstop.

Oh well.....I just try to keep my team/Franchise realistic. It just stinks every time you look at the transactions and see your rivals are looking more like a fantasy team.

I agree. Performance should be much more of a factor moving forward.

[ChernoTheInferno]

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In my first pitcher RttS, the Yankees traded Derek Jeter to Arizona for two minor league players. So yeah, trade logic is still awful. Not because Jeter is still good at baseball but because the Yankees would not at any point trade Derek Jeter.

[Braves Fan]

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Who were they traded for? What were the standings? Do any of those players have years remaining on their contracts?

My best guess is: 1. Prospects. 2. The sending teams were out of it. 3. They are all in their final years. Sounds fine to me.

Why do people get so hung up on names? The game doesn't recognize names.



Three team deal:

ARI recieves: Moreland and a B prospect
TEX recieves: Morneau (upgrade over Moreland, ratings wise)
MIN recieves: A prospect

Win. Win. Win (depending on standings).




If you consider the previous trade a 3 team deal, then what's the problem? Granted, this is a bit of a head scratcher; considering they traded Morneau, but if you use a bit of imagination, why is the end result an issue (assuming Moreland AND Berkman are playing the field somewhere almost everyday and not platooning 1B).



I agree. Performance should be much more of a factor moving forward.

Well I've seen Trout traded twice already.

It's not really realistic but I don't really care, I'm doing a single season franchise and whatever happens with trades happen. It's just a video game.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Well I've seen Trout traded twice already.

It's not really realistic but I don't really care, I'm doing a single season franchise and whatever happens with trades happen. It's just a video game.

Right...

Because A prospects never get traded in real life. Ok, why not...

I always thought Jesus Montero (regarded by some as a top 5 prospect in all of baseball last year, just like Trout is currently) would get at least full year as a Yankee too. Someone should tell Brian Cashman that his logic needs refining and is unrealistic.

If people don't get over "names," they'll never be satisfied with the trade logic in The Show. Never.

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Right...

Because A prospects never get traded in real life. Ok, why not...

I always thought Jesus Montero would get at least full year as a Yankee too. Someone should tell Brian Cashman that his logic needs refining and is unrealistic.

If people don't get over "names," they'll never be satisfied with the trade logic in The Show. Never.

i don't mind big names/ top prospects being traded in The Show...it's who they're traded for half the time that makes me scratch my head....also the current situation of their respective teams plays a big part in my bewilderment as well....but as long as i have 30-team control on, i have no right to trash the CPU trade logic

[LowerWolf]

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In my first pitcher RttS, the Yankees traded Derek Jeter to Arizona for two minor league players. So yeah, trade logic is still awful. Not because Jeter is still good at baseball but because the Yankees would not at any point trade Derek Jeter.

While I agree it's HIGHLY unlikely the Yankees would ever trade Jeter, it is possible.

Pujols left the Cardinals.
Smoltz left the Braves.
The Colts released Peyton Manning.
The 49ers traded Joe Montana.

[Heroesandvillains]

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i don't mind big names/ top prospects being traded in The Show...it's who they're traded for half the time that makes me scratch my head....also the current situation of their respective teams plays a big part in my bewilderment as well....but as long as i have 30-team control on, i have no right to trash the CPU trade logic

There's nothing about this post I disagree with whatsoever.

It's the generic OS posts about "Bryce Harper would never be traded" that bother me.

He's not "The Chosen One" in The Show. He's an A potential OF and possibly catcher who plays for a poorly overall rated organization.

But yes. As always, Nofatgirlz; your view on this stuff is rock solid.

[Braves Fan]

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Right...

Because A prospects never get traded in real life. Ok, why not...

I always thought Jesus Montero (regarded by some as a top 5 prospect in all of baseball last year, just like Trout is currently) would get at least full year as a Yankee too. Someone should tell Brian Cashman that his logic needs refining and is unrealistic.

If people don't get over "names," they'll never be satisfied with the trade logic in The Show. Never.

Do you think the Angels will trade Trout? If he is traded he won't be traded twice in the span of 6 months. Defend the trade logic if you must and I agree there is no way for the CPU to identify the names but players are moved around too freely imo. Teams are too trade happy. I'm sorry if you don't like people having this opinion.

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There's nothing about this post I disagree with whatsoever.

It's the generic OS posts about "Bryce Harper would never be traded" that bother me.

He's not "The Chosen One" in The Show. He's an A potential OF and possibly catcher who plays for a poorly overall rated organization.

But yes. As always, Nofatgirlz; your view on this stuff is rock solid.

if The Show doesnt recognize Mariano Rivera as Mariano Rivera, u think they would recognize Bryce Harper? lol...hence why i would love if the game gave key players roles, kinda like in Madden (no mods, im not comparing games) that would prevent them from being traded for a bag of balls......also the poster who brought up actual contracts was spot-on even though it'd never be 100% (which i fully get)...also, if the trade logic allowed Team A to eat X% of AJ Burnett's salary instead of Y% (just using him as an example cause it happened IRL), the dynamics of the trade u think would have to be different, no?

[Heroesandvillains]

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Do you think the Angels will trade Trout?

No, I do not.

But as a Yankees fan, I seriously would have bet $1,000 on Montero being a Yankee up until arbitration.

He was untouchable. Seriously. Untouchable aside from possibly a King Felix deal. Montero was as highly touted and coveted around baseball as Trout is today.

Did you think at this time last year, The Yankees would have traded Montero?

[37]

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Do you think the Angels will trade Trout?

a lot of variables would have to be determined before a question like this can be answered

[37]

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No, I do not.

But as a Yankees fan, I seriously would have bet $1,000 on Montero being a Yankee up until arbitration.

He was untouchable. Seriously. Untouchable aside from possibly a King Felix deal. Montero was as highly touted and coveted around baseball as Trout is today.

Did you think at this time last year, The Yankees would have traded Montero?

im not saying just cause of 20/20 hindsight but considering it's the Yankees, i wouldn't have put anything past them

[Braves Fan]

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No, I do not.

But as a Yankees fan, I seriously would have bet $1,000 on Montero being a Yankee up until arbitration.

He was untouchable. Seriously. Untouchable aside from possibly a King Felix deal. Montero was as highly touted and coveted around baseball as Trout is today.

Did you think at this time last year, The Yankees would have traded Montero?

He was traded in the offseason, not during the season. And he was traded for a particular need the Yankees had. It was one top prospect for another. You'd never see the CPU make a deal like that in the offseason.

I guess my point is there isn't a lot of logic behind the trades. Trades are made just to make them. These trades don't fill a particular need for the teams making the moves. In Free Agency the logic isn't that good either. Teams will sign a player they don't need and they'll overload themselves at a position. As a result you see players on teams benches that should never happen.

In fact I just played the Red Sox in April 2013 and Carl Crawford is on the bench. It's not a perfect system, it need to be addressed in next year's game. By the tone of your posts you seem to think the logic is perfectly fine the way it is. Not all of us feel that way. We want to see it improved.

In the meantime though I can enjoy the game for what it is, a very good simulation of the game of baseball.

[Heroesandvillains]

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im not saying just cause of 20/20 hindsight but considering it's the Yankees, i wouldn't have put anything past them

True. LOL!

But think of all the other factors. Russell Martin as the starting catcher, MLB ready bat, etc. All signs pointed to him being a Yank. And he hit well last September to boot!

I was stunned when it happened. But yes, as a Yankees fan, I agree that they've definitely pulled some head scratchers over the years (over paying for Kei Igawa for one).

[go tribe]

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here's my pitching staff now with the tribe - trading ZERO prospects and keeping santana , kipness, choo, cabrera, chisenall, brantley...

CJ Wilson
Lester
zimmerman
baumgarner
james shields

all done with trades

yeah the trade logic is broken

i'm not saying i SHOULD have done these trades, i'm saying i offered and the computer accepted