Trade Logic in The Show 12?

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Re: Trade Logic in The Show 12?

here's my pitching staff now with the tribe - trading ZERO prospects and keeping santana , kipness, choo, cabrera, chisenall, brantley...

CJ Wilson
Lester
zimmerman
baumgarner
james shields

all done with trades

yeah the trade logic is broken

i'm not saying i SHOULD have done these trades, i'm saying i offered and the computer accepted

im afraid to ask what the CPU accepted in return for those guys lol

[Heroesandvillains]

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He was traded in the offseason, not during the season. And he was traded for a particular need the Yankees had. It was one top prospect for another. You'd never see the CPU make a deal like that in the offseason.

I guess my point is there isn't a lot of logic behind the trades. Trades are made just to make them. These trades don't fill a particular need for the teams making the moves. In Free Agency the logic isn't that good either. Teams will sign a player they don't need and they'll overload themselves at a position. As a result you see players on teams benches that should never happen.

In fact I just played the Red Sox in April 2013 and Carl Crawford is on the bench. It's not a perfect system, it need to be addressed in next year's game. By the tone of your posts you seem to think the logic is perfectly fine the way it is. Not all of us feel that way. We want to see it improved.

In the meantime though I can enjoy the game for what it is, a very good simulation of the game of baseball.

By no means did I intend my tone to make my opinions for me. I meant every word I said and replied where applicable.

That said, I also AGREE with EVERY WORD of your post which I quoted above.

It certainly needs refining. I'm just saying that posts like "Harper just got traded, therefore, the trade logic blows" (paraphrasing, and not implying you feel this way either Bravesfan) does nothing to add to the discussion. All it does is discredit areas where the logic actually WORKS WELL (trading prospects for veterans/rebuild mode/playoff push mode/etc), simply because the name of the player made the OS'er uncomfortable.

That's a shame to me, really. The logic isn't ALL BAD. Just 'some bad.' But some good too.

[Heroesandvillains]

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here's my pitching staff now with the tribe - trading ZERO prospects and keeping santana , kipness, choo, cabrera, chisenall, brantley...

CJ Wilson
Lester
zimmerman
baumgarner
james shields

all done with trades

yeah the trade logic is broken

i'm not saying i SHOULD have done these trades, i'm saying i offered and the computer accepted

I'd like to see the details surrounding these trades. Could you post them?

FWIW, my opinions on the trading logic only addressed CPU to CPU trades. Not User to CPU.

But...to be fair...

I've also had the CPU NOT BUDGE on packages for one veteran on his final year when I've offered 2 A's and a B in return. It definitely works both ways here, which is what makes it tricky (I'd imagine) to program.

Sometimes the CPU is stingy; sometimes they'll give you the keys and title to the mansion for what feels like peanuts.

[37]

Re: Trade Logic in The Show 12?

I'd like to see the details surrounding these trades. Could you post them?

FWIW, my opinions on the trading logic only addressed CPU to CPU trades. Not User to CPU.

But...to be fair...

I've also had the CPU NOT BUDGE on packages for one veteran on his final year when I've offered 2 A's and a B in return. It definitely works both ways here, which is what makes it tricky (I'd imagine) to program.

Sometimes the CPU is stingy; sometimes they'll give you the keys and title to the mansion for what feels like peanuts.

or other times when the CPU would INSIST on accepting or giving up a certain insignificant player to get a deal done

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Trade Logic in The Show 12?

or other times when the CPU would INSIST on accepting or giving up a certain insignificant player to get a deal done

Ha! LOL! That one irks me...

I've seen that more times than I care to.

"Ok. Ok. You're too sensitive to release Jason Michaels yourself, huh? That's fine, Washington. That's fine. I'll pay his 400K and let him go for you."

[go tribe]

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i'll post the details when i get home

i know i traded sizemore, hafner, kotchman, chris perez, jimenez, joe smith, raffy perez

i also know i traded for chapman from cincy - gave up sizemore and another player, then got frustrated with his wildness and turned him into lester - again i'll post the details.

also from previous posts, pujols is on the market in every sim i've played but i've yet to see him traded.

[go tribe]

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5/13/2013: Acquired SP C.J. Wilson and CP J.J. Putz from the Angels for CP Chris Perez

The others I can only tell the dates from the first two trades because my 2012 save file is from the end of the season and the transactions only go back to 8/1 for some reason.

8/7 Acquired SP James Shields from the Rays for 2b Jason Donald (dud)

8/16 Acquired RP Brian Fuentes from the Athletics for 1b Russ Canzler (dud)


On these last 4 I do NOT have dates but the were all from before 8/1 and they all took place after their team put them on the trade block:

Cincy gave me Chapman for Sizemore and Carmona - not horrible

Boston gave me Lester and Will Middlebrooks for Aroldis Chapman - rape

Washington gave me Zimmerman for Casey Kotchman - rape

Giants gave me Baumgarner and Gary Brown (A rated OF prospect) and Tommy Joseph (B rated C prospect) for Ubaldo Jimenez - rape

[rymflaherty]

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I appreciate your take HeroesandVillians and trying to justify some of the things I've seen in my franchise......but if I listed everything that has occurred a lot of it is silly.
Though I do agree in the sense that I am not going to let it ruin the game for me. I'm not someone that is going to restart a Franchise or put the game on the shelf, because the CPU may go a tad over-board when it comes to trades.

I had another "oddity" when it comes to trades in my Franchise.
I had a team offer me a deal. I liked one of the players they were offering, but decided to take a look at the roster and see if I can switch the other. So I went to make a counter-offer and had 0% interest and got the "Not willing to take on more money" message.
This made me curious, so I offered them literally the same offer they gave me (that was still in my pending section) and it came up as 0% interest.
So apparently the CPU can decide to add money if they are offering you a trade.......but it's impossible to make the same trade if you are the one initiating it.

[shadia147]

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To HandV's point about "Name" players....Every HOF player ever was once a no-name prospect.
I remember the Cincinnati Reds once trading Hal McRae and a player to be named later to the KC Royals for the AL leader in ERA (Roger Nelson) and the third highest batter (Richie Scheinblum).
Who was the player to be named?...George Brett.
At the time, the Reds was considered to have gotten a great deal.
Just showing that in Franchise Mode over many seasons, players are going to come and go. At some point there will be some unknown prospect that's going to make you forget all about Derek Jeter, Derek Jeter is TODAY! Mickey Mantle was yesterday! Nobody knows who's going to be a legend tomorrow! Thats just the nature of the beast. Kids 20 years from now won't know Derek Jeter other than watching ancient Youtube clips.
The Show's Trade Logic plays to that reality somewhat. Maybe earlier than we would like. Those who object to "Name" players being replaced by unknowns are probably suffering from the culture shock of how easily everyone can be replaced. When you play ten seasons in a month, that shock is multiplied many times. No shame in that. But realize that you're watching the world pass before your eyes much faster than you would normally.

[go tribe]

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Sorry but the trades I listed above were horrible and most didn't involve any time of prospect that could turn out to be George Brett - or even Ken Brett.

CJ Wilson and JJ Putz for Chris Perez?
Zimmerman for Kotchman?
Shields for Jason Donald?

I'm in June of 2013 and the Red Sox are shopping David Ortiz, who is 5th in the league in Avg and 8th in HR and i literally went through EVERY Player in my organization and they would accept EVERY player straight up for Ortiz with the exception of 3 minor league 2b - weird that they obviously wouldn't accept a certain position.

[RandyBass]

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No, I do not.

But as a Yankees fan, I seriously would have bet $1,000 on Montero being a Yankee up until arbitration.

He was untouchable. Seriously. Untouchable aside from possibly a King Felix deal. Montero was as highly touted and coveted around baseball as Trout is today.

Did you think at this time last year, The Yankees would have traded Montero?

Montero was almost traded for Cliff Lee when the Mariners were dealing him. He wasn't untouchable. The Yanks had/have other good catching prospects, and there were/are doubts about Montero's ability to catch. And you call yourself a Yankee fan? Pfff.

[Troopershorty51]

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To HandV's point about "Name" players....Every HOF player ever was once a no-name prospect.
I remember the Cincinnati Reds once trading Hal McRae and a player to be named later to the KC Royals for the AL leader in ERA (Roger Nelson) and the third highest batter (Richie Scheinblum).
Who was the player to be named?...George Brett.
At the time, the Reds was considered to have gotten a great deal.
Just showing that in Franchise Mode over many seasons, players are going to come and go. At some point there will be some unknown prospect that's going to make you forget all about Derek Jeter, Derek Jeter is TODAY! Mickey Mantle was yesterday! Nobody knows who's going to be a legend tomorrow! Thats just the nature of the beast. Kids 20 years from now won't know Derek Jeter other than watching ancient Youtube clips.
The Show's Trade Logic plays to that reality somewhat. Maybe earlier than we would like. Those who object to "Name" players being replaced by unknowns are probably suffering from the culture shock of how easily everyone can be replaced. When you play ten seasons in a month, that shock is multiplied many times. No shame in that. But realize that you're watching the world pass before your eyes much faster than you would normally.

While I completely agree that in real life anything can happen and no-name prospects can turn in Hall of Famer's, simply put, that will never happen in the show. If we're talking about a no-name I'm assuming they have about a C or lower in potential so based on the current progression system they just will never become a star.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Trade Logic in The Show 12?

Montero was almost traded for Cliff Lee when the Mariners were dealing him. He wasn't untouchable. The Yanks had/have other good catching prospects, and there were/are doubts about Montero's ability to catch. And you call yourself a Yankee fan? Pfff.

Heh...

Pretty funny, man. Yeah, I forgot about the Lee rumors. But to be fair, I DID mention the King Felix rumors in the post you quoted.

Did I, did I redeem myself???

[broncoboots12]

Re: Trade Logic in The Show 12?

is there any way to trade for strasburg as the phillies with this weeks rosters.

p.s forced trades are off

[AC]

Re: Trade Logic in The Show 12?

is there any way to trade for strasburg as the phillies with this weeks rosters.

p.s forced trades are off

I would sincerely hope not!

But I'd go ask in the trade discussion thread... I'll probably say no, there, but it's worth I shot... I guess...